COBGrowLights (GrowthStar Spyder)

Coco0503

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Looks sketchy, especially the review section. Only 3 reviews, all 5 stars, and all posted November 21st. Warranty is 3 years but the return policy looks to be shit. I'm no expert on lights by any means but judging by the website they just don't seem up to par.

Considering the lights I'm using (GoGreenLEDs) offers a 180 day satisfaction guarantee and a 5 year warranty for repairs as opposed to these guys with only a 30 day return and 3 year warranty... Even if they are decent I just think that there are better companies to go to.
 

GroErr

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Anyone know about these lights? http://www.cobgrowlights.com/products/spider-4x

Are they using COBs of repute? Someone's on the General forum talking them up. Seems resistant to come here for more specific discussion. (Starting to sound a little spammy.).
I don't know about them. But 5 minutes dissecting their web site and I can tell it's a bunch of crap Chinese knock off using multiple 5w diodes to make them "look" like COBs. They're not COB lights and no more effective at flowering than Chinese knock off panels at half that price. This is just another Chinese diode based piece of crap with ridiculous claims and outright lies in their advertising.
 

jpaq666

Member
I was resistant to come here for further discussion because I don't understand what you guys are saying... Like, you care more about a return policy than the product you are actually buying. Go visit hydroshop.ca, one of the crappiest stuff you could ever buy, still has a 1 yr 100% satisfaction guaranty lol. Anyone has any technical input to add I'll be glad to read but otherwise you aren't really helping. Just my 2 cents
 

Coco0503

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Any company worth it's salt and that stands behind its products with a good warranty and return policy speaks volumes. Nobody here cares more about the return policy than the product itself, looking at those aspects just gives a decent picture about the company.

If you're going to be spending at least $500 and potentially thousands on lights, or just about anything for that matter, you're going to want to go with the guys that will give you all of your money back if it doesn't stack up.
 

GroErr

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I was resistant to come here for further discussion because I don't understand what you guys are saying... Like, you care more about a return policy than the product you are actually buying. Go visit hydroshop.ca, one of the crappiest stuff you could ever buy, still has a 1 yr 100% satisfaction guaranty lol. Anyone has any technical input to add I'll be glad to read but otherwise you aren't really helping. Just my 2 cents
The site is a scam trying to sell old technology at premium prices. I personally don't care about warranty and if you're buying off a site/company like the one linked you cannot expect any sort of service or warranty. They'll use every trick in the book to avoid paying out warranty work and cease to exist within 1-2 years so their "3 year" warranties aren't worth the paper used to pack their shitty lights.

The technical input is don't use diode based LED lights if you expect to flower with them as they will produce 1/3 to 1/2 of what a (real) COB LED light or other technologies will produce. They're ok for vegging, but if you expect to use them for flowering you're wasting your time and money.
 

jpaq666

Member
If you think i'm spamming I'll just stop there's no point in me defending some company. But some people here are really making me nervous saying things I honestly don't beleive are totally true. Someone said "these are not even cobs they are 5w diodes put together to look like cobs" omg you guys are freaking me out. I spoke to Rob at cobgrowlights and honestly the poor guy has to deal with me freaking out because people here are telling me not to deal with him..
 

GroErr

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If you think i'm spamming I'll just stop there's no point in me defending some company. But some people here are really making me nervous saying things I honestly don't beleive are totally true. Someone said "these are not even cobs they are 5w diodes put together to look like cobs" omg you guys are freaking me out. I spoke to Rob at cobgrowlights and honestly the poor guy has to deal with me freaking out because people here are telling me not to deal with him..
It says they are 5w diodes right on his site. That company is a scam, but hey it's your money, chau, unsubbed, waste of time, asta la vista...
 

jpaq666

Member
Does anyone have a link to a "real" COB light I could use (like I said I can't build it i'm really not good with that). Because I don't really understand. I really don't want something only for vegging, but I'm not sure what you mean by "real cob". Tbh when I wanted to buy a cob i could barely find anything on google with "cob grow light".
 

jpaq666

Member
It says they are 5w diodes right on his site. That company is a scam, but hey it's your money, chau, unsubbed, waste of time, asta la vista...
I'm sorry but I don't know anything about lights, to me diodes could be what you build a cob with and I wouldnt know any better... So there are no diodes in a cob? Then if you use cree diodes then it's not a cob you are building?
 

az2000

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I spoke to Rob at cobgrowlights and honestly the poor guy has to deal with me freaking out because people here are telling me not to deal with him..
First, it's your money. Do whatever you want. It won't be the end of the world. But, there are many people who followed the "come on" of companies like MarsHydro (or the expensive rebrands like Kind and Lush) and they got less light for their money.

Second, are you buying objectively or subjectively? If you're buying an experience, then enjoy your experience. If you want the best value for your dollar, don't take it personally that there are scammy companies out there.

Third, most of the LED lights sold are a waste of money. Many are outright deceptive. (I could recite examples. I'm talking scammy, low-brow conduct.). Yet, people buy those lights because the people selling them are believable.

Fourth, why are you buying LED? Most people don't have a reason. It's just that they want to do something new. Then they get upset that they have to spend a lot for quality LED.

The problem is: it would be better to understand why you're choosing LED because you may not NEED efficiency like that? If not, T5HO and CMH are better values.

That's what I usually see. It starts with unrealistic expectations on LED (using the mass-consumer stuff as a gauge of price performance), then frustration at reaching acceptance that T5HO and CMH are better price/performance propositions. (And the frustrated individual holds it against those who bore that "bad news.").

This should be good news! You're being helped from wasting money. But, if it's not about that, then return to point #1 above.
 

a mongo frog

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Does anyone have a link to a "real" COB light I could use (like I said I can't build it i'm really not good with that). Because I don't really understand. I really don't want something only for vegging, but I'm not sure what you mean by "real cob". Tbh when I wanted to buy a cob i could barely find anything on google with "cob grow light".
the cob builders are all on this site, theres like 4 companies on here. maybe more.
 

dandyrandy

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QUOTE="az2000, post: 12173093, member: 705789"]I think you were given some names in your General thread. Tasty, Johnson, Area-51. Pacific, Amare, Go Green.[/QUOTE]Very legit companies.
 

jpaq666

Member
First, it's your money. Do whatever you want. It won't be the end of the world. But, there are many people who followed the "come on" of companies like MarsHydro (or the expensive rebrands like Kind and Lush) and they got less light for their money.

Second, are you buying objectively or subjectively? If you're buying an experience, then enjoy your experience. If you want the best value for your dollar, don't take it personally that there are scammy companies out there.

Third, most of the LED lights sold are a waste of money. Many are outright deceptive. (I could recite examples. I'm talking scammy, low-brow conduct.). Yet, people buy those lights because the people selling them are believable.

Fourth, why are you buying LED? Most people don't have a reason. It's just that they want to do something new. Then they get upset that they have to spend a lot for quality LED.

The problem is: it would be better to understand why you're choosing LED because you may not NEED efficiency like that? If not, T5HO and CMH are your better values.

That's what I usually see. It starts with unrealistic expectations on LED (using the mass-consumer stuff as a gauge of price performance) and then frustration reaching the point that T5HO and CMH are better price/performance propositions. (And the frustrated individual holds it against those who bore that "bad news.").

This should be good news! You're being helped from wasting money. But, if it's not about that, then return to point #1 above.
I'm looking for led because I tried cfls and the heat was too high for my environment in the summer. Also because I am on a 15 amp circuit and there are oter things on it. I don't want to load the circuit as the electricity here is aluminium wiring. S. i need less heat than cfls and less than amps of pull. I figured led was the answer.

I beleive the solution is LED, am i wrong? Because I dont mind spending... My worries are ONLY heat, pars, and electric efficiency. If no one can give me that for 500$ well I don't want to live in such a world... ;-)
 

jpaq666

Member
I think you were given some names in your General thread. Tasty, Johnson, Area-51. Pacific, Amare, Go Green.
Yeah... There's a few I havnt checked yet though...
What is different with their products... Like with tasty?
I got lost while looking at his stuff because he didnt have MCOB only COB and my brain just couldnt handle the confusion...
 

az2000

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My worries are ONLY heat, pars, and electric efficiency.
LED is for you. But, I would stick with the names given. If you buy the generic epi-whatever stuff you can easily find yourself using 50-60w/sq ft. At that point T5HO or CMH (for taller spaces) is a better value. I.e., less electricity, less heat, more light.
 

jpaq666

Member
Ok

I guess I need more research then... I'll have to check each site tonight to learn all this while it's still fresh in my head. But how am I supposed to read your numbers? When you say using 50 w/sq feet I'm not sure what you mean... The only thing I know is the general guideline of looking for 25w of actual pull for every sq feet if I want led... I was thinking more couldnt hurt. I know there is something I'm missing here just not quite sure what that is...
 

az2000

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When you say using 50 w/sq feet I'm not sure what you mean...
A light draws n watts from the wall. Less efficient epi-whatever lights can cover n sq ft at 50w/sq ft. That's their efficiency. It actually may be more. One person here is considering running over 70. I was looking at a grow last night that was considered "wall of fame" material at 90. :shock:

The DIY cob guys are doing 25'ish w/sq ft. The Area 51 is spec'ed for 26, if I recall.

I was thinking more couldnt hurt.
If your goal is to reduce power consumption and heat, more could definitely hurt. Especially when you have run *a lot* more like the epi-whatever lights. In that case, T5HO produces more light, less heat for short grows. CMH for tall.

If you get into the COBs described here, more doesn't hurt as much. Going from 26w/sq ft to a gargantuan 35 is still less than what MarsHydro specs their lights at (yet seemsto have to run them at 2 to 3x more. That's probably what you would encounter with that cob-like object you were looking at.).

So, it's kind of relative. You can definitely get away with "more" using efficient LED without nearly as much heat as you would have with epi-whatever lights.
 

jpaq666

Member
A light draws n watts from the wall. Less efficient epi-whatever lights can cover n sq ft at 50w/sq ft. That's their efficiency. It actually may be more. One person here is considering running over 70. I was looking at a grow last night that was considered "wall of fame" material at 90. :shock:

The DIY cob guys are doing 25'ish w/sq ft. The Area 51 is spec'ed for 26, if I recall.



If your goal is to reduce power consumption and heat, more could definitely hurt. Especially when you have run *a lot* more like the epi-whatever lights. In that case, T5HO produces more light, less heat for short grows. CMH for tall.

If you get into the COBs described here, more doesn't hurt as much. Going from 26w/sq ft to a gargantuan 35 is still less than what MarsHydro specs their lights at (yet seemsto have to run them at 2 to 3x more. That's probably what you would encounter with that cob-like object you were looking at.).

So, it's kind of relative. You can definitely get away with "more" using efficient LED without nearly as much heat as you would have with epi-whatever lights.
Hey man if you want to teach, I'm down to learn...
Still scratching my head pretty hard though...
Right now I think I'm just gona shop for area 51 and see what they look like, brb
 
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