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Dr. Who

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I agree with you that Mayweather is a great defensive fighter but who has he fought that was in their prime? He has fought big names past their prime and some would consider washed up.

I disagree, MMA is definitely a science.

Klitshko? Seriously? Which one? The one that was knocked out by that bum Sanders or the other boring brother?

Promoters and a million different sanctions killed boxing. Everyone and their mother is a champion boxer.
Mayweather - see, there's the argument and the rub.....He's fought some good fight's - and like you said it's the promoters that ruined a lot of those. The other main problem was Mayweather will fight with only one brand of glove (That protect his hands better - He's had hand problems when agreeing to use the other glove) and the other guys would want in the fight contract that he had to fight with their gloves! Now knowing that Mayweathers hands aren't the best, are they trying to gain an advantage by the "glove" ? If your so damn good, why not just fight him and prove it? MANY fights that would have muted that argument went un signed on that point alone! PUSSIES!
Mayweather started promoting himself and some of those contracts GOT signed....

But Wlad is still fun to watch - but yeah.....no REAL stand out heavyweight in years is killing the boxing focus - right along with your next point!
 

Harrekin

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Mayweather - see, there's the argument and the rub.....He's fought some good fight's - and like you said it's the promoters that ruined a lot of those. The other main problem was Mayweather will fight with only one brand of glove (That protect his hands better - He's had hand problems when agreeing to use the other glove) and the other guys would want in the fight contract that he had to fight with their gloves! Now knowing that Mayweathers hands aren't the best, are they trying to gain an advantage by the "glove" ? If your so damn good, why not just fight him and prove it? MANY fights that would have muted that argument went un signed on that point alone! PUSSIES!
Mayweather started promoting himself and some of those contracts GOT signed....

But Wlad is still fun to watch - but yeah.....no REAL stand out heavyweight in years is killing the boxing focus - right along with your next point!
I think the UFC is slowly putting the nails in boxing's coffin...

Most quality boxers are realising they would make far more money and fame if they co-trained in jujitsu and fought in the UFC.
 

Dr. Who

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I think the UFC is slowly putting the nails in boxing's coffin...

Most quality boxers are realising they would make far more money and fame if they co-trained in jujitsu and fought in the UFC.
Depending on their level of fighting ability and their rank - boxing pays far more......Ok it's Mayweather again but, what did he get last fight?

It's the age of the fan and the younger generations NOT understanding boxing AND wanting faster paced/more violent action that's the big part of boxing dropping favor....In a way, at 57 and actually knowing several big name boxing families.....I do enjoy the pace of MMA style fighting. I was a big time PKA full contact fan years before the UFC and MMA came along...I mean come on. Some of those spinning back punch's and being allowed to sweep the knee repeatedly (little muay thai guys taking out the big guys)......"Super foot" Wallace and Chuck Norris actually fighting and winning titles. I actually as a kid took class's in Shorin-Ryu from Tadashi Yamashita till he left for Hollywood to be in the OCTAGON.

How about the beginning with the Gracie family of Brazilian judo simply dominating the early octagon. Man I sure did like Royce and Rickson Gracie and that Gracie family Ju-Jitsu RULED - now that was fun to watch!

To a lesser extent it's that "No big stand out heavyweight" hurts too. AND the damn promoters/to many sanctions...
 
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bravedave

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WRONG!

One is an evangelical MORON who will have us fighting the 4th (or is it the 8th in reality) crusade against the Muslims..I sure as hell will not dress MY sons in a military uniform with a cross on it and send them off to fight in the name of Jesus. Kiss your freedoms good bye with this asshole!
The other has no idea how to be a REAL elected official representing the people who voted him into office. Case in point. The decision to normalize relations to Cuba. Why not? Haven't they suffered enough? Why do you hate them (government) so much? Their changing, right? Isn't that a step in the right direction? He said and I quote, "I don't care IF the people who elected me like this move. I'm voting against it!" So much for representation.....

Yeah, they'll make swell presidents......shee it!
Wow...how ignorant of you. Cruz, like him or not, is probably the smartest guy in the Senate. How many cases have you argued in front of the Supreme Court? He also leans Libertarian when it comes to our military. Don't believe me? How about big-time lefty Alan Dershowitz?
http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/09/dershowitz-tex-cruz-one-of-harvard-laws-smartest-students/
Liberty and Freedoms are lost when the government gets bigger. How strange to think one man will take it away and then vote for a party that wants nothing more than to grow goverment.

As for Rubio, his Cuba stance was never a secret and his constituents who voted him in were never left guessing how he would vote. He is also a bit closer to the issue than you, I, or Obama. With the leadership change and for that matter the age of Raul, a little more patience might have resulted in more consessions from the COMMUNIST DICTATOR and less from us. Just another horrible Obama decision. Did he check with all who voted for HIM??? NO!!!! He didn't even bother with Congress. The more I think about it the weaker your sauce gets. You are a sorry propagandist.

In any case, both are far better than the LIAR and the socialist.

Oh and maybe list all the Crusades you mention. You seem to know very little about them. Or better yet go educate yourself here:
 
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Harrekin

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Depending on their level of fighting ability and their rank - boxing pays far more......Ok it's Mayweather again but, what did he get last fight?

It's the age of the fan and the younger generations NOT understanding boxing AND wanting faster paced/more violent action that's the big part of boxing dropping favor....In a way, at 57 and actually knowing several big name boxing families.....I do enjoy the pace of MMA style fighting. I was a big time PKA full contact fan years before the UFC and MMA came along...I mean come on. Some of those spinning back punch's and being allowed to sweep the knee repeatedly (little muay thai guys taking out the big guys)......"Super foot" Wallace and Chuck Norris actually fighting and winning titles. I actually as a kid took class's in Shorin-Ryu from Tadashi Yamashita till he left for Hollywood to be in the OCTAGON.

How about the beginning with the Gracie family of Brazilian judo simply dominating the early octagon. Man I sure did like Royce and Rickson Gracie and that Gracie family Ju-Jitsu RULED - now that was fun to watch!

To a lesser extent it's that "No big stand out heavyweight" hurts too. AND the damn promoters/to many sanctions...
544,000 dollars per second.

That's without sponsorship or endorsements.
 

pnwmystery

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Wow...how ignorant of you. Cruz, like him or not, is probably the smartest guy in the Senate. How many cases have you argued in front of the Supreme Court? He also leans Libertarian when it comes to our military. Don't believe me? How about big-time lefty Alan Dershowitz?
http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/09/dershowitz-tex-cruz-one-of-harvard-laws-smartest-students/
Liberty and Freedoms are lost when the government gets bigger. How strange to think one man will take it away and then vote for a party that wants nothing more than to grow goverment.

As for Rubio, his Cuba stance was never a secret and his constituents who voted him in were never left guessing how he would vote. He is also a bit closer to the issue than you, I, or Obama. With the leadership change and for that matter the age of Raul, a little more patience might have resulted in more consessions from the COMMUNIST DICTATOR and less from us. Just another horrible Obama decision. Did he check with all who voted for HIM??? NO!!!! He didn't even bother with Congress. The more I think about it the weaker your sauce gets. You are a sorry propagandist.

In any case, both are far better than the LIAR and the socialist.

Oh and maybe list all the Crusades you mention. You seem to know very little about them. Or better yet go educate yourself here:
I'm curious if you know that foreign policy decisions do not solely lay with congress, but both the Executive and Legislative branches play roles in that capacity. So, Obama does not necessarily need to go to Congress before normalizing relations with Cuba. This has been pretty much the standard protocol since 1787. Reagan and George H.W. Bush were two noted periods when the Executive branch was the more active arm of foreign policy in the United States.

We have Dahl who says, "Perhaps the single most important fact about Congress and its role in foreign policy, therefore, is that it rarely provides the initiative. Most often initiative springs from the executive-administrative branch." We then also have James Robinson's 22 case studies of foreign policies over 30 years where he found only three cases of legislative initiative. However the sole responsibility of negotiating international agreements does lie with the Executive branch as per Article 2 Section 2 of the Constitution, "He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls...." You can argue all you want about the "Advice and Consent," but the President is the federal official that is primarily responsible for the foreign policy of the United States as he is also the one that nominates Ambassadors, and Consuls. He is also the one that receives foreign ministers and ambassadors, and with the Secretary of State the President manages all contact with foreign governments. Moreover, the President may also negotiate "executive agreements" with foreign governments that are not subject to Congressional approval. Finally, the Office of the President does not need to confer with "all those that voted for him," in regards to foreign policy; the Founding Fathers were fundamentally opposed to that notion in the way they constructed and framed the Constitution, and why our country is a Republic.

As far as Marco Rubio goes, his family came from Cuba before Castro came to power. They came here in 1956, Castro came to power in 1959, and it was in 1965 that it was reorganized into the Communist Party. Sure, you can argue that they came here during the revolution, and maybe they had the foresight, but Rubio was born here in the United States. Unless you're speaking to him being "closer to the issue" by virtue of his constituency, then yeah I can see your argument there. However, what's so wrong about normalizing our relations with Cuba? It's a tiny fucking little island in the Caribbean and the Missile Crisis was almost fifty years ago and this entire "Communist Boogie Man" is so played out now a days.

Really, though, I'm curious as to why you're so upset over the normalization of relations with Cuba? It seems that the people who have the biggest beef with it are the Heritage Foundation which sit there and harp on about "human rights abuses," while they say that we need to cozy up with other countries that are our "allies," but have just as bad and/or worse human rights track records than Cuba.

As far as your Crusades, the guy talks about 1-4 but forgot about 5-9 (unless there's a second part? Or people don't think 5-9 count for some reason).
 

bravedave

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I'm curious if you know that foreign policy decisions do not solely lay with congress, but both the Executive and Legislative branches play roles in that capacity. So, Obama does not necessarily need to go to Congress before normalizing relations with Cuba. This has been pretty much the standard protocol since 1787. Reagan and George H.W. Bush were two noted periods when the Executive branch was the more active arm of foreign policy in the United States.

We have Dahl who says, "Perhaps the single most important fact about Congress and its role in foreign policy, therefore, is that it rarely provides the initiative. Most often initiative springs from the executive-administrative branch." We then also have James Robinson's 22 case studies of foreign policies over 30 years where he found only three cases of legislative initiative. However the sole responsibility of negotiating international agreements does lie with the Executive branch as per Article 2 Section 2 of the Constitution, "He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls...." You can argue all you want about the "Advice and Consent," but the President is the federal official that is primarily responsible for the foreign policy of the United States as he is also the one that nominates Ambassadors, and Consuls. He is also the one that receives foreign ministers and ambassadors, and with the Secretary of State the President manages all contact with foreign governments. Moreover, the President may also negotiate "executive agreements" with foreign governments that are not subject to Congressional approval. Finally, the Office of the President does not need to confer with "all those that voted for him," in regards to foreign policy; the Founding Fathers were fundamentally opposed to that notion in the way they constructed and framed the Constitution, and why our country is a Republic.

As far as Marco Rubio goes, his family came from Cuba before Castro came to power. They came here in 1956, Castro came to power in 1959, and it was in 1965 that it was reorganized into the Communist Party. Sure, you can argue that they came here during the revolution, and maybe they had the foresight, but Rubio was born here in the United States. Unless you're speaking to him being "closer to the issue" by virtue of his constituency, then yeah I can see your argument there. However, what's so wrong about normalizing our relations with Cuba? It's a tiny fucking little island in the Caribbean and the Missile Crisis was almost fifty years ago and this entire "Communist Boogie Man" is so played out now a days.

Really, though, I'm curious as to why you're so upset over the normalization of relations with Cuba? It seems that the people who have the biggest beef with it are the Heritage Foundation which sit there and harp on about "human rights abuses," while they say that we need to cozy up with other countries that are our "allies," but have just as bad and/or worse human rights track records than Cuba.

As far as your Crusades, the guy talks about 1-4 but forgot about 5-9 (unless there's a second part? Or people don't think 5-9 count for some reason).
Let me be quick.
I would bet I know more about government process than you do and in any case that was never questioned by me. You lack either insight into why I chose the arguments I did or you have a comprehension problem.

You listed a handful of things yourself as to why Marco might be closer to the issue. You also listed nothing to dispute anything I said.

You also make the wrong assumption concerning my feelings about Cuba recognition while I thought I was clear. Obama made a horrible deal and played it like he was holding the losing hand.

Again, both of our latino candidates are far better choices than Monica's ex-boyfriend's husband and the communist wannabe who is married to one of those "Two Cows".
 

pnwmystery

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Let me be quick.
I would bet I know more about government process than you do and in any case that was never questioned by me. You lack either insight into why I chose the arguments I did or you have a comprehension problem.

You listed a handful of things yourself as to why Marco might be closer to the issue. You also listed nothing to dispute anything I said.

You also make the wrong assumption concerning my feelings about Cuba recognition while I thought I was clear. Obama made a horrible deal and played it like he was holding the losing hand.

Again, both of our latino candidates are far better choices than Monica's ex-boyfriend's husband and the communist wannabe who is married to one of those "Two Cows".
Just another horrible Obama decision. Did he check with all who voted for HIM??? NO!!!! He didn't even bother with Congress. The more I think about it the weaker your sauce gets. You are a sorry propagandist.

In any case, both are far better than the LIAR and the socialist.

Oh and maybe list all the Crusades you mention. You seem to know very little about them. Or better yet go educate yourself here:
I somehow doubt that you do. Also had you read my post you'd see I said "If these are your arguments okay I'll give you that." So who's lacking in comprehension? Both our Latino candidates are not "better choices" but you're entitled to your opinion. I wouldn't even really call either really Latino.
 

bravedave

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I somehow doubt that you do. Also had you read my post you'd see I said "If these are your arguments okay I'll give you that." So who's lacking in comprehension? Both our Latino candidates are not "better choices" but you're entitled to your opinion. I wouldn't even really call either really Latino.
So you are the end-all in determining nationality and race? Lol.
Concerning reading comprehension I did read something like the below
"If these are your arguments okay I'll give you that."... But it was used after you came up with the arguments, not I. Do you forget all the stuff you get off WIKI as fast as you copy it? Speaking of, you should actually list a source for your stuff as just like the arguments you misrepresent as mine you obviously are also utilizing info from others as if yours.
 

pnwmystery

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So you are the end-all in determining nationality and race? Lol.
Concerning reading comprehension I did read something like the below
"If these are your arguments okay I'll give you that."... But it was used after you came up with the arguments, not I. Do you forget all the stuff you get off WIKI as fast as you copy it? Speaking of, you should actually list a source for your stuff as just like the arguments you misrepresent as mine you obviously are also utilizing info from others as if yours.
You really do suck at debating and tackling the concepts of arguments and discussion. I was listing out arguments to get insight on what you were trying to convey for my own curiosity. Instead, you just start throwing out attacks. Here's what I said: "Sure, you can argue that they came here during the revolution, and maybe they had the foresight, but Rubio was born here in the United States. Unless you're speaking to him being "closer to the issue" by virtue of his constituency, then yeah I can see your argument there." Get it? If you don't get it, then we're pretty much done here as there's no point in continuing this discussion with you.

Why don't you list our your sources? That's just laughable. I did put mine out: Robert Alan Dahl who taught Political Science at Yale University and James A. Robinson who's a professor at the Harris School of Public Policy Studies at the University of Chicago and taught at Harvard. If you don't know who Robert Alan Dahl is, you really need to go sit in a corner.

:roll:
 

bravedave

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You really do suck at debating and tackling the concepts of arguments and discussion. I was listing out arguments to get insight on what you were trying to convey for my own curiosity. Instead, you just start throwing out attacks. Here's what I said: "Sure, you can argue that they came here during the revolution, and maybe they had the foresight, but Rubio was born here in the United States. Unless you're speaking to him being "closer to the issue" by virtue of his constituency, then yeah I can see your argument there." Get it? If you don't get it, then we're pretty much done here as there's no point in continuing this discussion with you.

Why don't you list our your sources? That's just laughable. I did put mine out: Robert Alan Dahl who taught Political Science at Yale University and James A. Robinson who's a professor at the Harris School of Public Policy Studies at the University of Chicago and taught at Harvard. If you don't know who Robert Alan Dahl is, you really need to go sit in a corner.

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Attacks? Where? This is where the eye-roll smiley should go.

Hey, I feel bad that you suppled that book of a post you originally cut and pasted but that only proved you missed the point.

I was not looking to have a debate with you and actually...you jumped in and started debating for the both of us and now you are sad because I pointed that out.
 

pnwmystery

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Attacks? Where? This is where the eye-roll smiley should go.

Hey, I feel bad that you suppled that book of a post you originally cut and pasted but that only proved you missed the point.

I was not looking to have a debate with you and actually...you jumped in and started debating for the both of us and now you are sad because I pointed that out.
Discussions and arguments. I'm not sad at all, I'm just a little surprised at you. You said "Did he check with all who voted for HIM??? NO!!!! He didn't even bother with Congress." I then responded with "The President doesn't necessarily need to, and laid out why." Then you just said, "You misinterpreted me." I also asked you what your reasoning was, and why you thought Marco Rubio was "closer to the issue," then posited the reasons why you might think this. A simple "Yes," would have sufficed.

I never cut and pasted a thing except from the Constitution.
 

bravedave

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Stop spoiling a perfectly good UFC vs Traditional Boxing thread please guys.

Fighting sports, the world can heal by watching people punch each other in the head...

Its the solution to politics.
I have enjoyed the comments here in that regard. Love it, but don't watch enough to have favorites. But ohhhh to have three rounds...
 

UncleBuck

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Ted Cruz? He is of Cuban nationality. Difficult to thus be or join white supremicists.
that's nto even what i said you fuckiing simpleton.

i said ted cruz spews hateful, racist vitriol all the time. and he does. that is just a fact.

i also said that the white pride march date surrounded him, and that is true as well.

and that all appealed to you, because you are racist and stupid.

and you are too cowardly to even admit it, so you tried like an idiot to change the subject to something i never said.

damn you are stupid.
 

bravedave

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that's nto even what i said you fuckiing simpleton.

i said ted cruz spews hateful, racist vitriol all the time. and he does. that is just a fact.

i also said that the white pride march date surrounded him, and that is true as well.

and that all appealed to you, because you are racist and stupid.

and you are too cowardly to even admit it, so you tried like an idiot to change the subject to something i never said.

damn you are stupid.
Lol. Do you spin in circles while your arms are flailing? I see spit forming on your bottom lip as you conjure up the next lie.
 
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