Trump's Plan To Kill ISIS Families Is 'Exactly What God Commands'

schuylaar

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No, not a strawman. A strawman argument is one where the opponent in an argument seeks to re-state the other persons position and then rebuts the reformed fallacious argument.

I did not restate his position for him. I extrapolated it out to remind him that what he proposes, WAR, ALSO includes killing innocent people.

I asked Odd Ball if when he goes to fight bad guys if he will be okay with KILLING people that HAVEN'T threatened him. Presumably he has not been threatened by babies.

I could not kill a person that I DON'T KNOW and has never personally threatened me. That includes men, women and babies.

Where do you draw the line? Could you kill a man you don't know ? A woman ? A baby?



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But he COULD be threatened by the babies..this makes it justified.
 

OddBall1st

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Thank you for acknowledging it's wrong to harm a person that hasn't harmed you. There may be hope for you.

Can you tell me the names of the individual people "over there" that have issued a personal threat to you ? Did they call you up and tell you to get off the couch, they were coming to kick your ass?

If they stay "over there" and you stay "over here" , how will anybody be harmed?

Unfortunately it`s not an individual, it`s an Army. I understand it`s outta your league, way outta
ya league,......I got it......
 

Rob Roy

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Unfortunately it`s not an individual, it`s an Army. I understand it`s outta your league, way outta
ya league,......I got it......

Armies are made up of individuals, did ANY of them threaten you personally?

It seems like from a whole army you could come up with at least a couple of names or faces, or do they all look alike to you?

Are you an individual that can think for himself or do you obey other people when they tell you to kill innocent people ?
 

OddBall1st

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Armies are made up of individuals, did ANY of them threaten you personally?

It seems like from a whole army you could come up with at least a couple of names or faces, or do they all look alike to you?

Are you an individual that can think for himself or do you obey other people when they tell you to kill innocent people ?

You are out of your league. I face the same issues while life in America goes on, Do I get all the names, ...no, do I want the names, No.

Should an Army come through town and wreck shit and kill people,.. taking their names is like the last thing I`ll want to do. After battle, fine, I`ll get what I can for whatever reason.

What would I do with a name of the combatant ?

Threatening my livelihood by strangers is gonna get personal, in a way you have yet to learn.
 

Rob Roy

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You are out of your league. I face the same issues while life in America goes on, Do I get all the names, ...no, do I want the names, No.

Should an Army come through town and wreck shit and kill people,.. taking their names is like the last thing I`ll want to do. After battle, fine, I`ll get what I can for whatever reason.

What would I do with a name of the combatant ?

Threatening my livelihood by strangers is gonna get personal, in a way you have yet to learn.

Thank you for validating MY point. You and I agree we would not want "our town" occupied by an army.

It stands to reason, people. "over there" wouldn't want foreign forces in their town either.
 

OddBall1st

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Thank you for validating MY point. You and I agree we would not want "our town" occupied by an army.

It stands to reason, people. "over there" wouldn't want foreign forces in their town either.

It does not validate, it defines the war,...I`m fucking hear now, so do something is about as definitive as you can get.

You forgot what brought me to make the move. Otherwise you would not say that. If my town did bad things and an Army showed up to say otherwise, I`d be a huge idiot.
 

Rob Roy

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It does not validate, it defines the war,...I`m fucking hear now, so do something is about as definitive as you can get.

You forgot what brought me to make the move. Otherwise you would not say that. If my town did bad things and an Army showed up to say otherwise, I`d be a huge idiot.

It's not often that a "town" does bad things. Individuals are responsible, not an entire "town". Hold the individuals that harm others responsible. Don't expand a right to defend yourself against an individual(s) into a license to kill a group of innocent people simply because they occupy the same piece of dirt encompassed by imaginary lines determined by a group of self inflated "leaders".
 

OddBall1st

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It's not often that a "town" does bad things. Individuals are responsible, not an entire "town". Hold the individuals that harm others responsible. Don't expand a right to defend yourself against an individual(s) into a license to kill a group of innocent people simply because they occupy the same piece of dirt encompassed by imaginary lines determined by a group of self inflated "leaders".

That is why you don`t understand war. It`s everything you can`t fathom. The winner get`s to have, until someone else say so.
 

Rob Roy

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That is why you don`t understand war. It`s everything you can`t fathom. The winner get`s to have, until someone else say so.
I DO understand that is what war is, that doesn't mean I agree with it or believe it is justified. I don't have the right to kill somebody I have no quarrel with, neither do you. Neither do your "leaders".

That's why people like "your leaders" invented the nation state to spread the blame so thin and to set up a hierarchy where by some magical alchemy they can make an act which is horrible if an individual does it somehow acceptable if done under the banner of a flag of the many. Then they assign you "your team" status, hand you a gun and tell you "go team"...You fell for it.

Aren't you as an individual responsible for your actions ? What WON'T you do if somebody you view as an authority tells you that you must?
 

OddBall1st

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I DO understand that is what war is, that doesn't mean I agree with it or believe it is justified. I don't have the right to kill somebody I have no quarrel with, neither do you. Neither do your "leaders".

That's why people like "your leaders" invented the nation state to spread the blame so thin and to set up a hierarchy where by some magical alchemy they can make an act which is horrible if an individual does it somehow acceptable if done under the banner of a flag of the many. Then they assign you "your team" status, hand you a gun and tell you "go team"...You fell for it.

Aren't you as an individual responsible for your actions ? What WON'T you do if somebody you view as an authority tells you that you must?

Nobody has a Right to kill unprovoked. Everything you believe in has been tried countless times in history, it has never worked and never will because of diversity. The way the USA is set up to govern, works, not perfect, but works and keeps people civil. The USA was the greatest Nation on the planet, we need to go back to being that again. People are not migrating here because they have things we do not.
 

Rrog

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http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/04/politics/donald-trump-guns-obama-executive-action/index.html

Donald is so transparent in his lack of traction. He campaigns nearly exclusively by simply disparaging his opponents. Or their married partners. Cheesy even for a New Yorker

Then he fans the famous flame "No more guns with a democratic president". That'll get every toothless asshole to start some marches promoting more fear

Oh, he's a real leader, alright. What a fucking cartoon this guy is
 

potroastV2

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http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/04/politics/donald-trump-guns-obama-executive-action/index.html

Donald is so transparent in his lack of traction. He campaigns nearly exclusively by simply disparaging his opponents. Or their married partners. Cheesy even for a New Yorker

Then he fans the famous flame "No more guns with a democratic president". That'll get every toothless asshole to start some marches promoting more fear

Oh, he's a real leader, alright. What a fucking cartoon this guy is
I guess the American Idiot likes cartoons! :lol:

You know what, I don't think that Dems will have to campaign against Trump. Just let him speak, and he'll bury himself. So far, he's digging himself deeper and deeper.

:mrgreen:
 

Harrekin

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I guess the American Idiot likes cartoons! :lol:

You know what, I don't think that Dems will have to campaign against Trump. Just let him speak, and he'll bury himself. So far, he's digging himself deeper and deeper.

:mrgreen:
Lol...

And yet Trump is 1,000,000x more likely to get his party's nomination and actually make it to the election.

What does that say about Sanders?

Feel the Bern.
 

schuylaar

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Lol...

And yet Trump is 1,000,000x more likely to get his party's nomination and actually make it to the election.

What does that say about Sanders?

Feel the Bern.
2.3 million donors which surpasses Obama at same time/point in election process all WITHOUT media..

Feel the BERN!
 
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