First Grow - unhealthy sprouts (indoor)

dmnstrzx

dmnstrzx

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Hi guys, new grower here.

Here's a few pics of my two little friends. I'm not sure about one of them is gonna live(or is still alive) :( And both looking so unhealthy.

Biobizz all-mix soil. I've added no nutrients to the water. Didn't check the pH since I read that's not as important as hydro compared to soil.

Air ventilation is fine I guess. Even may be a little much airflow than what my grow room got to be. And there's a fan(low setting) blowing air to my lamp.

heard all-mix may be strong for seedlings so I've added no-nutrient soil(from my local store) to top of the soil and planted them in there. I wonder is this what all about :(

Temps 18C-25C night/day. Humidity is %35-%50 most time I can't increase it and sometimes I spray the blants to keep the humidity up.

It's their 3rd(18/6 MH) day in soil(I germinated them in wet papertowel). I really want to know if one of them is dead cuz I'll plant a new one :(

I can give more information if needed. I want to make them look great :(

Here's the pics. Thanks.
 

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calliandra

calliandra

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hi @dmnstrzx :)
first off: yeah looks like the website is a bit glitchy today :shock:
I've seen RIU like this before, usually it gets fixed within a day.... do hope this entry posts too haha!

As for your babies:
they're both alive, and the stalks look vital :mrgreen:
However, I see why you are concerned, especially about the one whose cotyledons (=the oval baby leaves) are so damaged and no real leaves yet visible.
Not sure about that. I do know that sometimes baby leaves come out retarded in ways, and then grow out to become healthy plants... so maybe it's not a problem.

If this is their 3rd day in soil after germinating, they must have just sprouted a day ago or so?
They do need a few days to unfold:
They need to grow roots first, so they can then uptake water and nutrients.
For this, they use up the energy stored in the cotyledons in the beginning.
So patience, on the one hand ;)

On the other, you may be loving them to death a bit at the moment too :-P
Best conditions for a seedling are: warm and moist - that's like around 25°C and a good 50% RH.
They uptake water via their leaves in these first days, which is why you want to keep humidity high. The easiest way to achieve this is to put a dome over them (which can be as simple as the bottom half of a clear plastic bottle with a few air holes punched in it).
They do not need any form of wind yet (in fact, turn the fan right off, it's lowering your humidity too much at the moment - you can turn it back on once their first 2 tiers of real leaves have unfolded nicely).
Keep the lights around 30cm away in this first week, lowering only if you see them beginning to stretch their stalks.

How big are the pots you planted them in?
And how deep is the layer of nute-less soil?
Depending on that, you will have to water very carefully in the first weeks whilst roots are developing.

Hope that helps for starts!!
 
$bkbbudz$

$bkbbudz$

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dmnstrzx said:
Hi guys, new grower here.

Here's a few pics of my two little friends. I'm not sure about one of them is gonna live(or is still alive) :( And both looking so unhealthy.

Biobizz all-mix soil. I've added no nutrients to the water. Didn't check the pH since I read that's not as important as hydro compared to soil.

Air ventilation is fine I guess. Even may be a little much airflow than what my grow room got to be. And there's a fan(low setting) blowing air to my lamp.

heard all-mix may be strong for seedlings so I've added no-nutrient soil(from my local store) to top of the soil and planted them in there. I wonder is this what all about :(

Temps 18C-25C night/day. Humidity is %35-%50 most time I can't increase it and sometimes I spray the blants to keep the humidity up.

It's their 3rd(18/6 MH) day in soil(I germinated them in wet papertowel). I really want to know if one of them is dead cuz I'll plant a new one :(

I can give more information if needed. I want to make them look great :(

Here's the pics. Thanks.
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Nute burn my friend seedlings do not require nuted soil and especially do not need any added.
 
dmnstrzx

dmnstrzx

Member
Hi! Thanks for help guys, it helped a lot! I didn't mean to start 3 topics same time but you know how this forum goes insane sometimes. On one of the other topics, one guy got angry with me I think. but I didn't mean to flood the forum guys cmon...

There was a guy. he told me she was dead before I read your @calliandra comment and now I'm germinating a new one :( 5gal pots, so I'm trying to lower the size. Now they're in much more smaller pots. Conditions are good right now. I just shut down the fan and plugged exhaust to the timer. Now I have better humidity around %50-60.

@$bkbbudz$ It was nute-less soil my friend.

As you said, they need more time to unfold. I thought she was dead, and just couldn't figure out that it's too early for her cuz germinated for a long time and they were like 1-2 inches. She was pulling herself together and I just throw her :( lol I don't wanna make this happen again. Any advice?? :(

My other plant looks just fine, without yellowing(as you can see in first post) on one cotyledon. Is that a problem again? :(
 
calliandra

calliandra

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dmnstrzx said:
Hi! Thanks for help guys, it helped a lot! I didn't mean to start 3 topics same time but you know how this forum goes insane sometimes. On one of the other topics, one guy got angry with me I think. but I didn't mean to flood the forum guys cmon...

There was a guy. he told me she was dead before I read your @calliandra comment and now I'm germinating a new one :( 5gal pots, so I'm trying to lower the size. Now they're in much more smaller pots. Conditions are good right now. I just shut down the fan and plugged exhaust to the timer. Now I have better humidity around %50-60.

@$bkbbudz$ It was nute-less soil my friend.

As you said, they need more time to unfold. I thought she was dead, and just couldn't figure out that it's too early for her cuz germinated for a long time and they were like 1-2 inches. She was pulling herself together and I just throw her :( lol I don't wanna make this happen again. Any advice?? :(
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Haha yeah it was wild confusion with all the posts - I got sucked into that craze myself LMAO - but I've reported the extras for deletion to clean that up ;)

Too bad you dumped the one... OTOH I have been seeing "retarded" seedlings all around lately (maybe because I had one myself haha), and while some recover just fine, others often end up being finnicky or slow growers... so you may have spared yourself some trouble there, who knows :-P

The thing with pot size and seedlings is:
as long as they have such little root mass, they can't really handle the water that a big pot of soil can soak up... and from there, Bad Things can happen (I think root rot, the plant not being able to use the nutrients, if you're supplementing... not sure on this tho). That's why most people start their seedlings in those little coco thingies, or rockwool cubes, or plastic cups, and let the babies fill up that space with their roots first.
So yeah, of course you can also plant in a big pot, but then you would have to water very carefully, just around the baby plant, not with the aim of wetting all the soil in the pot.

dmnstrzx said:
My other plant looks just fine, without yellowing(as you can see in first post) on one cotyledon. Is that a problem again? :(
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Don't worry about the yellowing cotyledons -- they're food reservoirs for the baby plant and get used up, yellow, shrivel, and die off sooner or later anyways. Just a bit sooner in this case ;)
 
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