Justin Trudeau is Prime Minister and cannabis will be legalized – but it won’t be the free and fair

What will legalization look like?

  • Expensive weed

    Votes: 4 33.3%
  • Corporate weed

    Votes: 5 41.7%
  • Home growers screwed

    Votes: 1 8.3%
  • Patients screwed

    Votes: 3 25.0%
  • All of the Above

    Votes: 8 66.7%

  • Total voters
    12

TheDizzyBizzy

Well-Known Member
Think about this from the “normal” point of view.

You’ve never tried cannabis, except maybe a few times, you rarely drink, likely have kids and probably pay a lot of taxes.

There’s some vague promise to legalize marijuana, but it needs to be done in such a way that it doesn’t harm children and society at large.

This is the base that Justin Trudeau is peddling to. He doesn’t care about BC Bud, and activists that supported him either have a major blindspot with how politics works, or they sold out.

But, what’s done is done.

Justin Trudeau is Prime Minister and cannabis will be legalized – but it won’t be the free and fair market most of us are hoping for.

It’s more likely to resemble the alcohol industry which is burdened by thousands of regulations and benefits the top producers at the expense of small-time “craft” brewers.

But, so what? We’ll just keep producing BC Bud in spite of— No, actually.

Trudeau openly campaigned on making it harder for the black market to operate, and guess what? We’re that black market.

And the government-approved businesses or wholesale monopoly? That would be the licensed producers.

The corporate-state media is a good indication of where the government will be going with its legalization policies.

Nearly every major outlet, fromthe Globe and Mail, toMaclean’sto theToronto Star, is calling for government-mandated monopolies or strictly controlled private companies.

The licensed producers have attempted (and, in some cases, succeeded) in getting their hands on BC’s plant genetics.

Even if the responsibility around cannabis is handed down to the provinces, and BC happens to promote its grassroots middle-class industry — by the time this happens the LPs may have cornered the market.

They already have some of BC’s genetics due to the sell-out of certain growers and approval from their lawyers.

Sure, someday there may be a BC connoisseur market, paying lip service to the old brand and cashing in on tourists who want to smoke BC Bud.

But, the future will be corporate because a vast majority of Canadians are ignorant on the topic and want cannabis controlled, regulated and restricted.

Canada seriously lacks entrepreneurs and nobody seems to care.

They don’t understand that by legalizing according to Liberal standards, they will be destroying an authentic middle class and will also prevent hemp from re-industrializing the nation, potentially replacing fossil fuels for energy.

Only after the ashes have settled will a crippled British Columbia be able to restart and compete with the corporate oligarchs who have taken their place.

But it will be a new generation, with new strains.

In the meantime, this unique experiment of BC Bud – complete with thousands of farmers, extraction crews, dispensary owners and employees — will be priced out of the market.

They will be forced into bankruptcy and only permitted to return once they’ve gone through the bureaucratic paperwork of the state’s regulatory regime.

But this is Canada. We are, by default, free. If human action requires central government involvement and regulation, then the burden of proof should be on Justin Trudeau and the Liberal government.

Bureaucrats should not dictate to free individuals what they can or cannot do with their bodies or their business.

Legalization shouldn’t be about tax-revenue for the government. It should be about ending this disastrous war on people.

Cannabis isn’t like alcohol or nicotine.

Show me the traffic casualties. Show me the deaths. Show me the battery and assault claims.

There are none, because cannabis is benign.

If it isn’t benign like some have suggested, then please, explain what the dangers are.

What is “cannabis use disorder” other than individuals who are already prone to addiction? I’d rather see a society “addicted” to cannabis than alcohol or some other hard drug.

A person with “cannabis use disorder” is just an individual who would like to stop augmenting his or her reality with cannabis, but is unable to do so.

This is not a problem for society at large, for society is merely the concerted action of individuals. This is a problem for certain individuals, and I fully support having mechanisms in place to help them.

But you don’t achieve this by over-regulating cannabis, instituting government monopolies and re-hashing reefer madness propaganda.

BC Bud will suffer at the hands of the hysteric and uniformed. It will suffer from the politicians who believe they are doing something good for society.

And while I hate to cast blame on the cannabis culture itself — anyone who supported Justin Trudeau and the Liberals plan for legalization shouldn’t be surprised.

The state cannot be trusted. It is the enemy of peace and prosperity, no matter who is in charge.

http://cannabisincanada.ca/are-you-ready-for-legalization/
 

indoorguycanada

Active Member
Think about this from the “normal” point of view.

You’ve never tried cannabis, except maybe a few times, you rarely drink, likely have kids and probably pay a lot of taxes.

There’s some vague promise to legalize marijuana, but it needs to be done in such a way that it doesn’t harm children and society at large.

This is the base that Justin Trudeau is peddling to. He doesn’t care about BC Bud, and activists that supported him either have a major blindspot with how politics works, or they sold out.

But, what’s done is done.

Justin Trudeau is Prime Minister and cannabis will be legalized – but it won’t be the free and fair market most of us are hoping for.

It’s more likely to resemble the alcohol industry which is burdened by thousands of regulations and benefits the top producers at the expense of small-time “craft” brewers.

But, so what? We’ll just keep producing BC Bud in spite of— No, actually.

Trudeau openly campaigned on making it harder for the black market to operate, and guess what? We’re that black market.

And the government-approved businesses or wholesale monopoly? That would be the licensed producers.

The corporate-state media is a good indication of where the government will be going with its legalization policies.

Nearly every major outlet, fromthe Globe and Mail, toMaclean’sto theToronto Star, is calling for government-mandated monopolies or strictly controlled private companies.

The licensed producers have attempted (and, in some cases, succeeded) in getting their hands on BC’s plant genetics.

Even if the responsibility around cannabis is handed down to the provinces, and BC happens to promote its grassroots middle-class industry — by the time this happens the LPs may have cornered the market.

They already have some of BC’s genetics due to the sell-out of certain growers and approval from their lawyers.

Sure, someday there may be a BC connoisseur market, paying lip service to the old brand and cashing in on tourists who want to smoke BC Bud.

But, the future will be corporate because a vast majority of Canadians are ignorant on the topic and want cannabis controlled, regulated and restricted.

Canada seriously lacks entrepreneurs and nobody seems to care.

They don’t understand that by legalizing according to Liberal standards, they will be destroying an authentic middle class and will also prevent hemp from re-industrializing the nation, potentially replacing fossil fuels for energy.

Only after the ashes have settled will a crippled British Columbia be able to restart and compete with the corporate oligarchs who have taken their place.

But it will be a new generation, with new strains.

In the meantime, this unique experiment of BC Bud – complete with thousands of farmers, extraction crews, dispensary owners and employees — will be priced out of the market.

They will be forced into bankruptcy and only permitted to return once they’ve gone through the bureaucratic paperwork of the state’s regulatory regime.

But this is Canada. We are, by default, free. If human action requires central government involvement and regulation, then the burden of proof should be on Justin Trudeau and the Liberal government.

Bureaucrats should not dictate to free individuals what they can or cannot do with their bodies or their business.

Legalization shouldn’t be about tax-revenue for the government. It should be about ending this disastrous war on people.

Cannabis isn’t like alcohol or nicotine.

Show me the traffic casualties. Show me the deaths. Show me the battery and assault claims.

There are none, because cannabis is benign.

If it isn’t benign like some have suggested, then please, explain what the dangers are.

What is “cannabis use disorder” other than individuals who are already prone to addiction? I’d rather see a society “addicted” to cannabis than alcohol or some other hard drug.

A person with “cannabis use disorder” is just an individual who would like to stop augmenting his or her reality with cannabis, but is unable to do so.

This is not a problem for society at large, for society is merely the concerted action of individuals. This is a problem for certain individuals, and I fully support having mechanisms in place to help them.

But you don’t achieve this by over-regulating cannabis, instituting government monopolies and re-hashing reefer madness propaganda.

BC Bud will suffer at the hands of the hysteric and uniformed. It will suffer from the politicians who believe they are doing something good for society.

And while I hate to cast blame on the cannabis culture itself — anyone who supported Justin Trudeau and the Liberals plan for legalization shouldn’t be surprised.

The state cannot be trusted. It is the enemy of peace and prosperity, no matter who is in charge.

http://cannabisincanada.ca/are-you-ready-for-legalization/
So True
 

VIANARCHRIS

Well-Known Member
So the big complaint is that government is going to regulate and tax weed? Oh, the fucking horrors! Will I have to meet the same insane qualifications and jump through the same unreasonable hoops as I do to buy Zig Zags or a Bic lighter? Government controls the use and collects taxes on water, ffs, why would weed be different? No government in the western world is going to legalize without controls and restrictions in place...in fact very few have the guts to legalize at all, much less use it as an election promise. Weed is an intoxicant that society wants to keep away from children and the government has a duty to serve everybody, so they have to have restrictions in place. Adults accept that society needs rules. They are also going to collect tax on every gram sold through a retail outlet, cause that's what governments do. They tax the T.P. you wipe your ass with and too. But if you can't wrap your head around those crazy evil government controls, you will be able to grow your own...tax free (except for pst, gst,and hst on supplies and power) . So...you grow your six plants, you got more than enough for yourself and maybe a few buddies, no one controlled how you grew it and you have no risk of arrest. What exactly was the problem, again?
 

Gquebed

Well-Known Member
Legalization is inevitable.

3 choices to control weed - black market, goverment, private sector.

We know how the black market operates.

We know the gov is incompetent

So.... inevitable. And just as distasteful....
 

VIANARCHRIS

Well-Known Member
Legalization is inevitable.

3 choices to control weed - black market, goverment, private sector.

We know how the black market operates.

We know the gov is incompetent

So.... inevitable. And just as distasteful....
What is controlled by the private sector with no government oversight again? The government controls everything from food to fuel and everything in between. At least we can elect the government...what say do we have with an unelected, unaccountable private sector? I would rather a government make the rules that some suit trying to please share holders.
 

Gquebed

Well-Known Member
What is controlled by the private sector with no government oversight again? The government controls everything from food to fuel and everything in between. At least we can elect the government...what say do we have with an unelected, unaccountable private sector? I would rather a government make the rules that some suit trying to please share holders.
I think you have that backwards. We do indeed elect governments...the people chosen by corporations for us to elect. They control fuel and food and everything else, simply by choosing the puppets we are allowed to elect. And once we have done that the corps set those puppets to work to write the laws that they profit by.

Make no mistake. Governments control only the very little that corps cant be bothered with...
 

Medipuffs

Well-Known Member
the illegal sale of items desired by the public, in any sector, has never been completely controlled by the government. If wishes and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry christmas
 

VIANARCHRIS

Well-Known Member
I think you have that backwards. We do indeed elect governments...the people chosen by corporations for us to elect. They control fuel and food and everything else, simply by choosing the puppets we are allowed to elect. And once we have done that the corps set those puppets to work to write the laws that they profit by.

Make no mistake. Governments control only the very little that corps cant be bothered with...
I have nothing backwards. I don't wear a tinfoil hat or put much stock in childish conspiracy theories. How about you go ahead and tell us who these corporations are that decide who you vote for. The claim from the deranged was always that leaders were picked at the Bilderberg meetings...except that none of the four leaders running in our federal election attended the 2015 meeting, and JT, May and Mulcair have never been there. The tin foil gang will need to adjust there story with that annoying detail. Get me proof of corporate control over our choices for PM and then we can talk.
 

Gquebed

Well-Known Member
I have nothing backwards. I don't wear a tinfoil hat or put much stock in childish conspiracy theories. How about you go ahead and tell us who these corporations are that decide who you vote for. The claim from the deranged was always that leaders were picked at the Bilderberg meetings...except that none of the four leaders running in our federal election attended the 2015 meeting, and JT, May and Mulcair have never been there. The tin foil gang will need to adjust there story with that annoying detail. Get me proof of corporate control over our choices for PM and then we can talk.
Conspiracy theory? Hahahahahahah

Politics... going to the Roman Empire and even before... has been controlled by those with the money. It has always been this way and always will be...

If this is something you don't know or understand then you are either very naïve or stupid.

This is exactly what Bernie Sanders is campaigning against in the States. You can say that the US is different then Canada and you would be right, but Canada is only different within the method that corporate money is made to fund campaigns.
 

VIANARCHRIS

Well-Known Member
Conspiracy theory? Hahahahahahah

Politics... going to the Roman Empire and even before... has been controlled by those with the money. It has always been this way and always will be...

If this is something you don't know or understand then you are either very naïve or stupid.

This is exactly what Bernie Sanders is campaigning against in the States. You can say that the US is different then Canada and you would be right, but Canada is only different within the method that corporate money is made to fund campaigns.
Like I said...proof. Corporate money has always influenced government decisions,it's not right, but that's how the world works. That is not the claim you made. You said corporations decided who runs for PM, and I want some proof. Which corporate ceo picked Harper. Which one picked Trudeau. You must have names if you are willing to argue that you are right? You call me stupid for not agreeing with you, but you can't provide a scrap of proof. I am neither naive or stupid, but making crazy statements gives the appearance that you are both
 

Gquebed

Well-Known Member
Like I said...proof. Corporate money has always influenced government decisions,it's not right, but that's how the world works. That is not the claim you made. You said corporations decided who runs for PM, and I want some proof. Which corporate ceo picked Harper. Which one picked Trudeau. You must have names if you are willing to argue that you are right? You call me stupid for not agreeing with you, but you can't provide a scrap of proof. I am neither naive or stupid, but making crazy statements gives the appearance that you are both

You want names. Well... Harper's first job was with Esso/Exxon... he worked in big oil ever since and it was big oil that back his run for the PC leadership once the right was consolidated into one party (r3member Western Alliance?) And then back his run for PM. Bought it, essentially. And EVERYTHING Harper did in office was for big oil. Cretien was backed by SNC Lavin and Bombardier, Mulroony was back by big oil RBC. As for JT, that isnt clear yet. Have to dig into his history.

So there are your names. CEOs dont point a finger and say your the guy. Corps make political donations to specific campaigns and they come to imply/suggest that certain legislation needs to be entacted for continued support. Very mafia like. It never ends. Influence peddling is what they call it now when it is really bibery/extortion.

Some are willing puppets and some are not. But they are all puppets...

Or maybe the word i am looking for is whores....
 

Gquebed

Well-Known Member
I guess i should have stated that corps get involved in funding campaigns for party leadership level. Thats how they choose the puppets you get to vote for.

It is the same at the provincial and municipal levels too...

And often they will back candidates in few parties to hedge their bets. No matter how you slice it corps choose who you vote for.
 

TheDizzyBizzy

Well-Known Member
So the big complaint is that government is going to regulate and tax weed? Oh, the fucking horrors! Will I have to meet the same insane qualifications and jump through the same unreasonable hoops as I do to buy Zig Zags or a Bic lighter? Government controls the use and collects taxes on water, ffs, why would weed be different? No government in the western world is going to legalize without controls and restrictions in place...in fact very few have the guts to legalize at all, much less use it as an election promise. Weed is an intoxicant that society wants to keep away from children and the government has a duty to serve everybody, so they have to have restrictions in place. Adults accept that society needs rules. They are also going to collect tax on every gram sold through a retail outlet, cause that's what governments do. They tax the T.P. you wipe your ass with and too. But if you can't wrap your head around those crazy evil government controls, you will be able to grow your own...tax free (except for pst, gst,and hst on supplies and power) . So...you grow your six plants, you got more than enough for yourself and maybe a few buddies, no one controlled how you grew it and you have no risk of arrest. What exactly was the problem, again?
Our resident Liberal apologist continues to waffle and carry water. ^^^ :sleep:

You're just another Big Government nanny-stater, Chris. You think the Liberals are different than the Conservatives, and will deny all parallels that are obvious to all with eyes to see and ears to hear. Your precious Justin is going to fuck this up, and you're going to excuse it every step of the way, just like the racists apologize for Harper.
 

Gquebed

Well-Known Member
JT may fuck this up. But not any worse that Furher Harper...or anybody else.

Bottom line... no legalization framework is going to please everybody. It was the same with alcohol when prohibition ended....
 

VIANARCHRIS

Well-Known Member
Our resident Liberal apologist continues to waffle and carry water. ^^^ :sleep:

You're just another Big Government nanny-stater, Chris. You think the Liberals are different than the Conservatives, and will deny all parallels that are obvious to all with eyes to see and ears to hear. Your precious Justin is going to fuck this up, and you're going to excuse it every step of the way, just like the racists apologize for Harper.
And our resident Trudeau hater continues to spew bullshit. Liberal apologist? Show me where I have ever apologized for any politician. "your precious Justin"? I wasn't aware I had any ownership over the PM or that I have ever referred to him as 'precious'. I supported him during the election as the only hope of ending prohibition. I support him now as he works toward that promise. When he fucks up, he loses my support. How is that different than the other many millions of Canadians that support him? You continue to post nonsense and accusations against me,but not once have you answered my replies. I've asked two very simple and very specific questions above to give you an opportunity to prove what you say. I have over 1700 posts on here, check them all and get back to us with the ones you think give any credibility to anything you spew about.
 

VIANARCHRIS

Well-Known Member
Uh oh, Ditzy...are you having trouble finding someone to read my posts for you? Com'on ditz , you have been posting the same shit about me for months, now's your chance to give yourself credibility. Show us all the posts by me that support your accusations.I haven't deleted anything...every word I've ever written on here is still there. Unless of course you don't actually believe anything you write?
 

nobody important 666

Well-Known Member
I would not say corporation but the unions have a huge pull. If it weren't for unifor and cupe the idiot whynn would never have gotten to be premier of Ontario.
 
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