This is gonna get interesting! Militia takes over Ore. federal building after protest.

[Rob Roy]

STOP (in the red)...that is not what you said in the past. Now you changing shit up on me.

Public schools do have competition. private schools and home schools for starts. My Independent thinking made me get out the service when Baby Bush invaded Iraq. Hell I was wanting to do 30 years. Only got to 22.

You say you will be home schooling your grand-babies, Should you have started already and do you think your son will let you, seeing how they think you are crazy.

Aren't you and I related brother? Don't we share common ancestors? I bet we do. I bet all people do.

No, public schools DO NOT have REAL competition. Here let me show you.

Person A owns a laundromat, he "allows" other people to operate and use other kinds of laundromats, but regardless of WHERE people bring their laundry Person A uses a threat of home seizure to make sure he gets paid whenever anybody uses any kind of laundromat. If I went to a laundromat in San Francisco yesterday, why must I pay Person A?

If you and I have a foot race and we begin with you shooting me in the leg, how fair would our race be?

My sons think I'm logical, kind and a bit of a know it all. They're at least two thirds right.

 

[OddBall1st]

No. That would be the circumstance that then allows our military to operate here because it changes things from a civilian area into a battle field if I remember correctly.

And if foreign troops are dropping in, I would like to have everyone holding a weapon capable of meeting the foreign troops with effective fire. You know, standard 30 round magazines, select fire, etc.

I just wanna clear up what the National Guard is and does. Their first and foremost tasks it to occupy and control land taken by the pushing Army, as in when you take a city, the frontal assault moves on, the National guard stays behind and sets up control.

They are also used in Country to help control under the eye of Governors of States too. You can`t go to war without them, they are vital to secure and control areas taken by brute force. They do come in handy during declared Marshal Law.

 

[londonfog]

There was not supposed to be a standing army in the USA. (the constitution forbids it)

In the event of foreign attack, the militias would be called out, thus creating a defense force of "the citizens".

That was supposed to be the whole point of Congress declaring war, which is pretty laughable nowadays, since it is routinely ignored.



Notwithstanding any Lysander Spoonerish arguments I could make that dismantle any kind of involuntary inclusion in a government, it is evident that most people have no idea of how the Constitution was alleged to have worked . For all practical purposes the Constitution (flawed from the beginning) is now a dead document. It was a nice try though.

Please post link to said info

 

[Rob Roy]

Please post link to said info

You took an oath to defend it....surely you read it and understand it, in its entirety?

 

[OddBall1st]

There was not supposed to be a standing army in the USA. (the constitution forbids it)

In the event of foreign attack, the militias would be called out, thus creating a defense force of "the citizens".

That was supposed to be the whole point of Congress declaring war, which is pretty laughable nowadays, since it is routinely ignored.



Notwithstanding any Lysander Spoonerish arguments I could make that dismantle any kind of involuntary inclusion in a government, it is evident that most people have no idea of how the Constitution was alleged to have worked . For all practical purposes the Constitution (flawed from the beginning) is now a dead document. It was a nice try though.

Do you think the founding Fathers had plans for air dropped troops into our country ? Do you think they had a plan for enemies that can talk from coast to coast at will ? Surpassing the Pony Express.

 

[OddBall1st]

If foreigners are actively invading wouldn't the law allow for the military to engage?

I'm sure they wouldn't just stand there and watch.

They better not, that would suck too.

 

[757growin]

I read earlier today that the FBI had already been assigned to the situation.

And yes, occupying a federal building is against the law. But deploying military on US soil is a wider violation in my understanding. National Guard probably ain't up to the task imo. I would think that the FBI could handle it without bringing in our Special Forces. Of course, they do have a history of fucking up armed standoffs, i.e. Waco and Ruby Ridge.

Most national gaurd units have multiple combat deployments at this point. Not that anyone would send national gaurd for 30 yahoos. I think they can handle some deer hunters if they were to. Same with any local swat.

 

[Rob Roy]

Do you think the founding Fathers had plans for air dropped troops into our country ? Do you think they had a plan for enemies that can talk from coast to coast at will ? Surpassing the Pony Express.

Okay, I'll play along for a bit. The "founding fathers" (many of them slave holders) lived decades before the Pony Express, but SOME of their ideas had merit. The one protecting the right of an armed populace was one of them and so was the idea that a standing army was a threat to freedom.




Ponder the quote below from the Japanese military officer and find the other answer....

 

[OddBall1st]

Okay, I'll play along for a bit. The "founding fathers" (many of them slave holders) lived decades before the Pony Express, but SOME of their ideas had merit. The one protecting the right of an armed populace was one of them and so was the idea that a standing army was a threat to freedom.




Ponder the quote below from the Japanese military officer and find the other answer....

Turns out they were wrong then, if we didn`t develop a standing Army, We would be loc stepping to the 3rd.

Imagine the rest of the world was ready and set, then the USA had to pause the attack to get ready ? You don`t sound so bright right about now and have no idea what prevent means.

Is that why they invaded Alaska first, because their was nothing behind every snowflake ?

 

[Rob Roy]

Please post link to said info

Oh okay!!! I knew you wouldn't find it, here.....

I bet they didn't discuss THAT in your public school civics class, did they?



The Congress shall have Power To ...raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years....

ARTICLE I, SECTION 8, CLAUSE 12

 

[Rob Roy]

Turns out they were wrong then, if we didn`t develop a standing Army, We would be loc stepping to the 3rd.

Imagine the rest of the world was ready and set, then the USA had to pause the attack to get ready ? You don`t sound so bright right about now and have no idea what prevent means.

Is that why they invaded Alaska first, because their was nothing behind every snowflake ?

In the 1940s, when WWII happened Alaska had yet to become a state. Also it was hardly "invaded" .

Alaska by your own admission (above) has more snowflakes than blades of grass. (that one was to fuck with you, no response needed)



Also, your claim about German world domination is specious and sychophantic to the Military Industrial complex. Hitler arose due to things which the allies standing armies caused AFTER WWI. I'm not going to school you on that now, maybe some other time.

 

[londonfog]

Oh okay!!! I knew you wouldn't find it, here.....

I bet they didn't discuss THAT in your public school civics class, did they?



The Congress shall have Power To ...raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years....

ARTICLE I, SECTION 8, CLAUSE 12

Silly senile old man, I knew exactly the Article in the constitution it was.
My public schooling taught me that It does not prevent a standing army outright, but the funds for a standing army have to be renewed every two years. In which Congress does. Public schools also taught me that my Congress must maintain a Navy and Post Office.

 

[OddBall1st]

In the 1940s, when WWII happened Alaska had yet to become a state. Also it was hardly "invaded" .

Alaska by your own admission (above) has more snowflakes than blades of grass. (that one was to fuck with you, no response needed)



Also, your claim about German world domination is specious and sychophantic to the Military Industrial complex. Hitler arose due to things which the allies standing armies caused AFTER WWI. I'm not going to school you on that now, maybe some other time.

WE trained with toys while he took Europe, so much for being ready. Our women built the machines and our boys gave their lives using them to stop him. Hitler rose because nobody was ready and he knew it.

 

[Rob Roy]

WE trained with toys while he took Europe, so much for being ready. Our women built the machines and our boys gave their lives using them to stop him. Hitler rose because nobody was ready and he knew it.

Hitler rose because the German people had been trained in obedience to the state thru a century of the Prussian school system and because of unbearable economic sanctions imposed on them after WWI by the allies.

As an aside, Hitler only had ONE testicle, so anybody that says he had BALLS is wrong!

 

[londonfog]

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In case you missed it the first time
Silly senile old man, I knew exactly the Article in the constitution it was.
My public schooling taught me that It does not prevent a standing army outright, but the funds for a standing army have to be renewed every two years. In which Congress does. Public schools also taught me that my Congress must maintain a Navy and Post Office.

 

[OddBall1st]

Hitler rose because the German people had been trained in obedience to the state thru a century of the Prussian school system and because of unbearable economic sanctions imposed on them after WWI by the allies.

As an aside, Hitler only had ONE testicle, so anybody that says he had BALLS is wrong!

And that nobody was ready.

 

[Rob Roy]

In case you missed it the first time
Silly senile old man, I knew exactly the Article in the constitution it was.
My public schooling taught me that It does not prevent a standing army outright, but the funds for a standing army have to be renewed every two years. In which Congress does. Public schools also taught me that my Congress must maintain a Navy and Post Office.

I believe that you WERE told that. Except the people that told you were wrong. Damn! Can't I savor this and use it later ? You're spoiling it for me now. I really don't want to give you a history lesson right now. Maybe later sometime.

How many wars has Congress declared since WWII ?

I am getting old, multiple sets of one handed pushups are getting tougher.

 

[londonfog]

I believe that you WERE told that. Except the people that told you were wrong. Damn! Can't I savor this and use it later ? You're spoiling it for me now. I really don't want to give you a history lesson right now. Maybe later sometime.

How many wars has Congress declared since WWII ?

I am getting old, multiple sets of one handed pushups are getting tougher.

Just admit you were wrong and misunderstood the reading of the article.
and playing with your tiny pecker is not called one handed pushups

 

[pnwmystery]

Hitler rose because the German people had been trained in obedience to the state thru a century of the Prussian school system and because of unbearable economic sanctions imposed on them after WWI by the allies.

As an aside, Hitler only had ONE testicle, so anybody that says he had BALLS is wrong!

Nope nope nope. Hitler did not rise to power because the German people had been trained in obedience to the state through the Prussian school system. Prussia was only part of Germany, the north eastern part. Parts of Prussia had been lost due to the Treaty of Versailles. By the time Hitler came to power, Germany was comprised of Prussia, Bavaria, Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Oldenburg, Anhalt, Baden, Brunswick, Hesse, Lippe, Mecklenberg-Strelitz, Saxe-Coburg, Saxony, Schaumburg-Lippe, Thuringia, Waldeck-Pyrmont, Wurttemburg, Bremen, Hamburg, and Lubeck. All of these were independent nations that formed the German Empire in 1871 after the Franco-Prussian war.

The Prussian education system was actually a great boon to Prussia which led it to military and economic excellence since Frederick the Great introduced it.

 

[Fogdog]

Ding, ding, ding. Hand that man a cigar.
I think the behavior of the government in this matter is certainly worthy of protest and a nice big, loud,peaceful,gathering decrying the re-sentencing if the Hammonds and asking (demanding?) for legislative clarity on these specific issues so UNELECTED gov. agencies are not left to weave their bullshit irrespective of who their policies affect. Would not care even if a few in the crowd carried. You know like a real tea party protest.
Was skeptical of the occupation from the beginning but was interested in what could be accomplished. Unfortunately, the occupation lost me the moment violence, not guns, was alluded to. That happened early. Bundy missed his chance to walk softly.

We don't disagree as much as our back and forth might indicate. The second Bundy and crew diverged from what had been a peaceful protest that rightfully objected to the treatment of the Hammonds, they lost me too.