stinkyskunkup
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I know this is for medical but I can't find any info on full legalization in Michigan. There are a couple of petitions going around. I heard some are good and some are bad. How do we know which one is which?
Michigan legalization
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passmethelid
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support all of them. they all need all the votes they can get.
stinkyskunkup
Member
I'm hearing that one of them is for big business and bad for the little guy and one is better for average people like us. I don't have a idea what is what.
Resinxtractor
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I won't sign any of them. What's the point. Remember it will only be legal if you follow the law to a "T". Ie you have less than 12 plants , 1 oz and don't drive ever " zero tolerance in this state ". Seems pretty shitty to me. A fucking oz won't last me a camping trip. And if you grow more than 12 plants brt your ass will end up in a prison cell and have a felony on the record.
This is not legalization.... Tomatoes are legal. 12 plants and 1 oz is there to protect big business bottom line
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This is not legalization.... Tomatoes are legal. 12 plants and 1 oz is there to protect big business bottom line
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passmethelid
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are you stupid or just want to continue selling weed with black market prices?
abrogate removes all marijuana crimes and has no penalties allowed for any marijuana related crime. no plant limits , no weight limits.
language: http://michican.us/showthread.php?8248-ABROGATE-PROHIBITION-MICHIGAN-Constitutional-Amendment-Language
milegalize has no weight limit, only a $100 penalty for ANY violation of ANY MARIJUANA LAW (except giving to a minor or being on school grounds or driving while impaired).
language: http://www.milegalize.com/read_the
mcc ... still stupid bullshit prohibition and 0-4 plants max.
language: http://www.mi.gov/documents/sos/Petition_-_MI_Cannabis_Coalition_491724_7.pdf
read them.
knowledge is power, dont be a fool.
abrogate removes all marijuana crimes and has no penalties allowed for any marijuana related crime. no plant limits , no weight limits.
language: http://michican.us/showthread.php?8248-ABROGATE-PROHIBITION-MICHIGAN-Constitutional-Amendment-Language
milegalize has no weight limit, only a $100 penalty for ANY violation of ANY MARIJUANA LAW (except giving to a minor or being on school grounds or driving while impaired).
language: http://www.milegalize.com/read_the
mcc ... still stupid bullshit prohibition and 0-4 plants max.
language: http://www.mi.gov/documents/sos/Petition_-_MI_Cannabis_Coalition_491724_7.pdf
read them.
knowledge is power, dont be a fool.
passmethelid
Well-Known Member
same thing it means today under the mmma. police have to prove impairment. field sobreity tests. etc.
milegalize specifically says a thc limit cannot be used to determine impairment either.
Sec. 9. This act does not:
(a) Authorize operating any motor vehicle,
aircraft, or motorboat under the influence of
marihuana. The state and any locality are
prohibited from using any per se limit of tet-
rahydrocannabinol as criteria to determine
whether the operator of a motor vehicle is
under the influence of marihuana;
current laws are zero tolerance thc for non-mmma people. so this would be an improvement.
milegalize specifically says a thc limit cannot be used to determine impairment either.
Sec. 9. This act does not:
(a) Authorize operating any motor vehicle,
aircraft, or motorboat under the influence of
marihuana. The state and any locality are
prohibited from using any per se limit of tet-
rahydrocannabinol as criteria to determine
whether the operator of a motor vehicle is
under the influence of marihuana;
current laws are zero tolerance thc for non-mmma people. so this would be an improvement.
Resinxtractor
Well-Known Member
Hmm...well I dont sell weed and I only charge my patients 150 donation a zip soo whats your point again....
And no need for a sore butthole man. Last time I read the language there was weight limits in there.
Maybe I will sign it now that you point it out...but no need to be a cock about...
Resinxtractor
Well-Known Member
I still wont be able to Sell my produce at farmers markets to people over 21 years of age. I will have to get a special licenses to do so and also jump through a whole bunch of bureaucratic hoops.
Squeezing out the little guys in the industry. And also will my 2nd amendment rights be guaranteed under this prop? Just as with alcohol and firearms. You can own and carry just cannot possess under the influence?
Squeezing out the little guys in the industry. And also will my 2nd amendment rights be guaranteed under this prop? Just as with alcohol and firearms. You can own and carry just cannot possess under the influence?
no restrictions and no "entity" overseeing, full legalization. nothing less, nothing more. Petitions are compromises, we dont compromise our health.
Timmahh
Well-Known Member
Full Repeal via Constitutional Amendment is the only way to take the government pecker (Big Pharma, Big Money, Big Tobacco, Big Alcohol, Monsanto, ect) off the edge of our taints. Specifically the Taints of the Parents, Farmers, and just want to be left the fuck alone cannabis users.
Legislature is where Legislators Legislate on Legislation. The MMM Act was an Indirect Legislative Initiative (legislate is right in the name).
All of the others are also just Legislation, just like the MMM Act.
"I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years, to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves, and the House? Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with these war-like preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled, that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask, gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us; they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done, to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne. In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free² if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending²if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained, we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! "
Patrick Henry - 1775
They cant do that to a Constitutional Amendment. Period...
Abrogate Prohibition Michigan Because Michigan Legislation Creates More Criminals.
www.michican.us
Legislature is where Legislators Legislate on Legislation. The MMM Act was an Indirect Legislative Initiative (legislate is right in the name).
All of the others are also just Legislation, just like the MMM Act.
"I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years, to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves, and the House? Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with these war-like preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled, that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask, gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us; they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done, to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne. In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free² if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending²if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained, we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! "
Patrick Henry - 1775
They cant do that to a Constitutional Amendment. Period...
Abrogate Prohibition Michigan Because Michigan Legislation Creates More Criminals.
www.michican.us
passmethelid
Well-Known Member
fair enough.
my point was that a person who deals with cannabis and wont even vote to keep 20,000 people from being arrested each year in michigan would be a hypocrite.
i've talked to people who dont want weed legal, its pretty disgusting. glad you arent one of those people.
Resinxtractor
Well-Known Member
Its just that I am against the concept that we must vote to make something legal that the government had no authority to outlaw in the first place. But I guess implied concent from the voters to allow congress to break the law makes it OK.
As far a people being put in jail. Unfortunately people are still going to jail for cannabis in legal regions.
As far a people being put in jail. Unfortunately people are still going to jail for cannabis in legal regions.