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pnwmystery

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For many years, Mexico’s leaders have been taking advantage of the United States by using illegal immigration to export the crime and poverty in their own country (as well as in other Latin American countries). They have even published pamphletson how to illegally immigrate to the United States. The costs for the United States have been extraordinary: U.S. taxpayers have been asked to pick up hundreds of billions in healthcare costs, housing costs, education costs, welfare costs, etc. Indeed, the annual cost of free tax credits alone paid to illegal immigrants quadrupled to $4.2 billion in 2011. The effects on jobseekers have also been disastrous, and black Americans have been particularly harmed.

The cost of building a permanent border wall pales mightily in comparison to what American taxpayers spend every single year on dealing with the fallout of illegal immigration on their communities, schools and unemployment offices.

Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards – of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options]. We will not be taken advantage of anymore.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform
Trump said, "The annual cost of free tax credits alone paid to illegal immigrants quadrupled to $4.2 billion in 2011."

Based on an audit by the Treasury Inspector General, the claim leaves out some context. Trump conflates "illegal immigrants" with "unauthorized workers," a group composed largely of undocumented immigrants but also legal immigrants and others. The $4.2 billion refers to the amount given in tax credit refunds for children, the large majority of whom are U.S. citizens. And the actual year is 2009, not 2011 (that was the year the report was published).

Also, it's important to note that illegal immigrants pay an estimated $12 billion in payroll taxes to Social Security and don't receive benefits. So Trump is leaving out a significant part of the picture when it comes to taxes and undocumented workers.
 

2ANONYMOUS

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Trump said, "The annual cost of free tax credits alone paid to illegal immigrants quadrupled to $4.2 billion in 2011."

Based on an audit by the Treasury Inspector General, the claim leaves out some context. Trump conflates "illegal immigrants" with "unauthorized workers," a group composed largely of undocumented immigrants but also legal immigrants and others. The $4.2 billion refers to the amount given in tax credit refunds for children, the large majority of whom are U.S. citizens. And the actual year is 2009, not 2011 (that was the year the report was published).

Also, it's important to note that illegal immigrants pay an estimated $12 billion in payroll taxes to Social Security and don't receive benefits. So Trump is leaving out a significant part of the picture when it comes to taxes and undocumented workers.
Hey Hey but its not there fault now is it ??? i mean realistically speaking te employrers should go to jail for fraud for not reporting it right So where does it end
 

UncleBuck

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Are you avoiding the question of how many Jews died in the holocaust ???? I mean many claim that these gas chambers were in fact sterilization places lets face it , when people are around a war , Dead people famine etc,, disease out breaks do occur rather Quickly ...
I was asking my Father when he immigrated and landed in Halifax harbor ??? he to had to get undressed and into a room to be sterilized
Dam surprised Jews have not extorted Canada as also a gas chamber country lol and claim Canada killed millions of Jews also ??

But hey lets not beat around the Bush
The claim that 6 million Jews died during World War II is wrong.

During the war period, before and shortly afterward, 5 million Jews went to Israel, and the Jewish population of North America increased from 4 million to 6 million.

Jews also went to Brazil, Argentina, Australia and other nations. This accounts for the decrease of 6 million Jews in Europe.

The world Jewish population was 15 million circa 1929 but it reached an estimated high of 18 million in 1989, an increase of 16%, which would have been impossible if 6 million Jews died in World War II.

I know uncle poopy pants Truth Hurts
nice holocaust denial.



at least your internet girlfriend likes it.
 

pnwmystery

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Are you avoiding the question of how many Jews died in the holocaust ???? I mean many claim that these gas chambers were in fact sterilization places lets face it , when people are around a war , Dead people famine etc,, disease out breaks do occur rather Quickly ...
I was asking my Father when he immigrated and landed in Halifax harbor ??? he to had to get undressed and into a room to be sterilized
Dam surprised Jews have not extorted Canada as also a gas chamber country lol and claim Canada killed millions of Jews also ??

But hey lets not beat around the Bush
The claim that 6 million Jews died during World War II is wrong.

During the war period, before and shortly afterward, 5 million Jews went to Israel, and the Jewish population of North America increased from 4 million to 6 million.

Jews also went to Brazil, Argentina, Australia and other nations. This accounts for the decrease of 6 million Jews in Europe.

The world Jewish population was 15 million circa 1929 but it reached an estimated high of 18 million in 1989, an increase of 16%, which would have been impossible if 6 million Jews died in World War II.

I know uncle poopy pants Truth Hurts
Oh wow, because no one ever converted to Judaism and no one ever had more than one child. The Nazis were meticulous record keepers. If you're seriously a Holocaust denier, there are no words. Your opinion is about as valid as that crazy guy on the train that shouts nonsense with his dick in his hand that everyone avoids. Then again, for someone who supports Trump I wouldn't be surprised if they also denied the Holocaust. Stupid is as stupid does.

"Lucy Dawidowicz, in her “The War Against the Jews” (1975), used prewar birth and death records to come up with a more precise figure of 5,933,900. And one of the more authoritative German scholars of the subject, Wolfgang Benz, offered a range of 5.3 to 6.2 million. Each used his or her own method to arrive at the totals.

Yad Vashem itself also has its Names Database, an ongoing project in which it attempts to collect the name of every Jewish victim of the Nazis. It relies on testimony from family and friends of those who perished, official archives from the period, and local commemoration projects. As of early 2012, Yad Vashem estimated that the database contained the names of a little over four million different individuals (an exact number is not yet possible because it believes that some hundreds of thousands of people appear in multiple records).

One of the largest sources of uncertainty concerns the number of Jews murdered in the Soviet Union. Whereas the Jews of the countries of Europe occupied by the Germans were for the most part deported to death camps, where fairly good records were kept, the murders in the USSR were carried out by Einsatzgruppen (mobile killing units), as the German army made its way east. Their records were far less comprehensive, so that it is possible only to make a rough estimate of the numbers of Jews killed – generally between 800,000 and 1 million."
 

Not GOP

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Trump said, "The annual cost of free tax credits alone paid to illegal immigrants quadrupled to $4.2 billion in 2011."

Based on an audit by the Treasury Inspector General, the claim leaves out some context. Trump conflates "illegal immigrants" with "unauthorized workers," a group composed largely of undocumented immigrants but also legal immigrants and others. The $4.2 billion refers to the amount given in tax credit refunds for children, the large majority of whom are U.S. citizens. And the actual year is 2009, not 2011 (that was the year the report was published).

Also, it's important to note that illegal immigrants pay an estimated $12 billion in payroll taxes to Social Security and don't receive benefits. So Trump is leaving out a significant part of the picture when it comes to taxes and undocumented workers.
Well I like Trump's version of an immigration reform plan. It's practical and makes sense. Until a candidate comes up with some better ideas, Trump would most likely make the next best president
 

2ANONYMOUS

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That's where the problem begins family and Friends There will always be stories making out it that it was so much worse then it really was i am not saying Jews were not killed but what i am saying its over exaggerated,, like purses and what have you made out of Jew skin haha
I wonder how many Jews died from Typus or maybe you should look that up

Soon after the end of the war, there were a few different stories of how the nazis committed mass murder. One was that the victims were put in water and an electric current was sent through the water electrocuting the victims.

The information gaps regarding the mechanics of the alleged extermination process should arouse the gravest suspicions. We are after all no longer in the immediate postwar era, when there would have been many valid excuses for confusion as to events which may or may not have taken place in a terrible war which had ended just recently. Almost what 65 years have now elapsed. The holocaust specialists have had more than enough time and opportunity to examine documents and alleged mass-murder sites as well as the testimony from the most massive trials in the entire history of the world. Throughout this period they have certainly been active, and yet they have found little. Aside from a few bits and pieces of so-called "confessions" and "eyewitness testimony," they have, in fact, found next to nothing.

The absurdity of the various alleged extermination methods does not in itself prove that the holocaust did not happen, but it should at least persuade reasonable people to ask for some other evidence before they let themselves believe such a monstrous tale. The fact that other evidence such as documents ordering the killing of Jews with gas, or hard, physical evidence such as workable gas chambers -- not just ordinary rooms that have been mislabelled -- is also absent should make it quite obvious that something is seriously wrong.

To concoct horrible, but conveniently vague, eyewitness accounts of mass-murder is easy. To have such tales accepted about a defeated enemy nation after a brutal war during which the vast media resources of the victors had succeeded in portraying the enemy as thoroughly depraved and wicked is also easy. On the other hand, it is not at all easy to explain how one could possibly commit mass-murder with Diesel exhaust.
 

UncleBuck

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Your post is exactly what Flaming Pie meant by you twisting people's words around to try and come up with lame attacks
how am i twisting words or attacking anyone?

i am just pointing out that right wing christians like you are responsible for the most horrendous death and massacres in history. have been and continue to be.

white christian males like you just seem to have a propensity to violence. don't you agree?
 

Not GOP

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how am i twisting words or attacking anyone?

i am just pointing out that right wing christians like you are responsible for the most horrendous death and massacres in history. have been and continue to be.

white christian males like you just seem to have a propensity to violence. don't you agree?
Real Christian churches opposed the Nazis and we're shut down by the Third Reich, with the only "churches" remaining were in or associated with the National Reich Church. Which was more of a fascist government program focused on a single doctrine promoting national socialsim. In other words, the Nazis were not Christian, but they were Socialist just like Bernie Sanders
 

UncleBuck

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Real Christian churches
lol.

only the fake christians were nazis, eh?

the Nazis were not Christian
yes they were.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany

In 1933, prior to the annexation of Austria into Germany, the population of Germany was approximately 67% Protestant and 33% Catholic; Jews made up less than 1% of the population.[1] A census in May 1939, six years into the Nazi era[2] and incorporating the annexation of mostly Catholic Austria into Germany, indicates that 54% considered themselves Protestant (including non-denominational Christians), 40% Catholic, 3.5% self-identified as "gottgläubig" (lit. "believers in god", often described as predominately creationist and deistic[3]), and 1.5% as non-religious.
 

Fogdog

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I put him on ignore. He has been trolling me for a while. Finally just sick of it.

He's an asshole. He doesn't provide any information of value in debates. He cherry picks statements and then twists them to parade as bigotry when he has no real knowledge of your mind or heart.

He comes on here for pointing fingers and laughing at people. Not for a discussion.

I tried being civil, it doesn't work. So I put him on ignore.[/QUOTE
Very honestly, I didn't see anybody trolling in this thread. Not you or anybody. The back and forth in this forum is pretty wild for sure but I gain most from those I disagree with most. So, no I won't put people I find IRRITATING on ignore. Not you, and not others like desert dude. Vile people, yes and boring people I ignore too. Boring is the worst. You aren't boring and neither is UB..
 

Fogdog

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That's where the problem begins family and Friends There will always be stories making out it that it was so much worse then it really was i am not saying Jews were not killed but what i am saying its over exaggerated,, like purses and what have you made out of Jew skin haha
I wonder how many Jews died from Typus or maybe you should look that up

Soon after the end of the war, there were a few different stories of how the nazis committed mass murder. One was that the victims were put in water and an electric current was sent through the water electrocuting the victims.

The information gaps regarding the mechanics of the alleged extermination process should arouse the gravest suspicions. We are after all no longer in the immediate postwar era, when there would have been many valid excuses for confusion as to events which may or may not have taken place in a terrible war which had ended just recently. Almost what 65 years have now elapsed. The holocaust specialists have had more than enough time and opportunity to examine documents and alleged mass-murder sites as well as the testimony from the most massive trials in the entire history of the world. Throughout this period they have certainly been active, and yet they have found little. Aside from a few bits and pieces of so-called "confessions" and "eyewitness testimony," they have, in fact, found next to nothing.

The absurdity of the various alleged extermination methods does not in itself prove that the holocaust did not happen, but it should at least persuade reasonable people to ask for some other evidence before they let themselves believe such a monstrous tale. The fact that other evidence such as documents ordering the killing of Jews with gas, or hard, physical evidence such as workable gas chambers -- not just ordinary rooms that have been mislabelled -- is also absent should make it quite obvious that something is seriously wrong.

To concoct horrible, but conveniently vague, eyewitness accounts of mass-murder is easy. To have such tales accepted about a defeated enemy nation after a brutal war during which the vast media resources of the victors had succeeded in portraying the enemy as thoroughly depraved and wicked is also easy. On the other hand, it is not at all easy to explain how one could possibly commit mass-murder with Diesel exhaust.
Does it matter if they are off by 2/3? Is 2 million dead OK but 6 million not?

Ok, so how many Jews do you think the Nazis killed? You must have an idea for a lower estimate...
 
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