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Fogdog

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10 a day average for all ages ^

In 2011, almost 25% of all auto accidents involved some asshole using a cell phone.

450 people die every year falling out of bed.

Stairs, oh them damn stairs, they be killing 1500+ a year.
I don't know why other causes of death justify deaths due to guns. Maybe you could explain that to me. I do say that people that own pools must have a means of keeping that pool inaccessible to babies and toddlers when nobody is around. As gun nuts must lock up their guns.
 

NLXSK1

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I don't know why other causes of death justify deaths due to guns. Maybe you could explain that to me. I do say that people that own pools must have a means of keeping that pool inaccessible to babies and toddlers when nobody is around. As gun nuts must lock up their guns.
I tell people that own pools that they should keep their pools inaccessible too... In fact, quite a large part of my job is telling people what is unsafe. However, I do not go back and check to see that they have made the changes I recommend. It is peoples individual choices how to live their lives. If some tragedy befalls them then there is already legislation to deal with it.
 

Fogdog

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Who is giving babies access to guns. What does that even mean?
Well, obviously, people are leaving their guns in places the toddler can get to it. For protection. Why don't gun owners put their guns in a safe? Its kind of like a fence or other structure around a pool. Not saying people must be monitored. It should just happen. Any thinking person would do this.

Gun lobbies oppose safe storage laws for guns. Pool industry does not. Just saying that if you agree with one, then why not the other?
 

NLXSK1

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Well, obviously, people are leaving their guns in places the toddler can get to it. For protection. Why don't gun owners put their guns in a safe? Its kind of like a fence or other structure around a pool. Not saying people must be monitored. It should just happen. Any thinking person would do this.

Gun lobbies oppose safe storage laws for guns. Pool industry does not. Just saying that if you agree with one, then why not the other?
Again you misrepresent the facts. Gun Lobbies oppose mandatory storage laws for guns. You seem to think people follow laws. If they did there would not be a need for guns for personal protection.

Also, I am single and have no children and have no use for a gun lock.

If we want to protect the children then we need to make alcohol and tobacco illegal.
 

Fogdog

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Again you misrepresent the facts. Gun Lobbies oppose mandatory storage laws for guns. You seem to think people follow laws. If they did there would not be a need for guns for personal protection.

Also, I am single and have no children and have no use for a gun lock.

If we want to protect the children then we need to make alcohol and tobacco illegal.
So, your solution is to not have children around your house. That works.

Would you support stronger punishment for people that leave guns out and children hurt themselves? Perhaps similar in severity to when a person that gets drunk and kills or injures a child?
 
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NLXSK1

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So, your solution is to not have children around your house. That works.

Would you support stronger punishment for people that leave guns out and children hurt themselves? Perhaps similar in severity to when a person that gets drunk and kills or injures a child?
There are already laws on the books regarding negligence in this matter, we dont need more.
 

Fogdog

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There are already laws on the books regarding negligence in this matter, we dont need more.
Nonsense. Don't be ignorant. When people accidentally kill or maim other people with a gun, there are few laws if any regarding gun negligence.

From your statement, you would support stronger enforcement actions if they were already on the books. What if a lawmaker were to draw up some legislation seeking stronger enforcement actions? Would you support that?

https://newrepublic.com/article/121632/why-are-states-so-reluctant-prosecute-gun-negligence-crime

Why Americans Don't Treat Fatal Gun Negligence as a Crime

Kasey Wilson lives in rural Missouri. He is in his mid-twenties, married with children, and runs his own lawn care business. On October 28, 2013, as his kids played in the front yard with four-year-old Zoie Dougan, the daughter of a visiting friend, Wilson borrowed a rifle from next door, went into his backyard, closed one eye, and shot across the lawn toward a pile of trash. He didn’t realize he had shot Zoie in the head until he heard screaming. By the time she arrived at the hospital by airlift she was dead, and her mother had already asked the police to go easy on her friend. “It was an accident,” deputies report her saying
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in many unintentional shootings, the only people who could claim damages would be the gun owner himself or his family—when a preschooler gets hold of a parent’s unsecured gun and kills his sibling, the negligent parent would need to sue himself. With no criminal or civil recourse, these avoidable deaths go unaddressed by the justice system.
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If we want to see criminal charges more consistently brought against negligent gun owners, more specific legislation is in order. Don Kleine, the attorney for Douglas County, Nebraska, explained, “The way we file a charge is based on the laws the legislature passes. If we want to charge something, we have to have a statute somewhere. If the legislature would enact something to give us some guidance, to say, ‘This is something we feel is so inappropriate that we’re going to have a law that says that if somebody doesn’t put their gun away the right way or leaves it accessible to a child without the proper safeguards on it, then that’s a crime,’ then that would certainly help us—we have to have a law to enforce.”

Otherwise, he explained, it remains a civil issue. Without a statute, there’s no crime. With politicians as timid as prosecutors, we won’t be seeing those statutes anytime soon.



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spandy

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I do say that people that own pools must have a means of keeping that pool inaccessible to babies and toddlers when nobody is around.


Plenty of shit more dangerous than firearms, yet I see no cry for regulation in those areas.
 

Fogdog

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Plenty of shit more dangerous than firearms, yet I see no cry for regulation in those areas.
Guns To Surpass Car Accidents As Leading Cause Of Deaths Among Young People
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/02/22/3320751/gun-deaths-surpass-car-accidents-leading-cause-young-people/

Death from firearms is the second leading cause of accidental death of young people. So, no, there is not plenty of shit more dangerous than firearms if we look at actual causes of death.

"Well drano causes death so why don't we outlaw it too?" This is false logic as a response to suggesting regulations to promote safer gun storage. It may or may not be a good question but is not an answer to the issue of high rates of gun deaths among young people.

65% of all accidental gun deaths of children occur in the home of the dead child and by the gun owned by that child's parent. 19% of accidental gun deaths of children occurs in somebody else's home by the gun of that home owner. What's so radical to say that gun owners must lock their guns up?

I'm not even talking about stolen guns that get into the hands of criminals that eventually kill a youngster. Safes, properly installed and locked will cut down on this as well.

Again, lock them up. Do you disagree with this?
 
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Fogdog

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Ever heard of manslaughter?
Yes, why? Remember, this is 'merica, not Ireland. Accidental deaths due to firearms are not treated as manslaughter, not in most cases where a child injures themself or somebody else. Here, we call it an accident and tell the grieving parent to get over it.
 

Flaming Pie

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Yes, why? Remember, this is 'merica, not Ireland. Accidental deaths due to firearms are not treated as manslaughter, not in most cases where a child injures themself or somebody else. Here, we call it an accident and tell the grieving parent to get over it.
False.

If the parent wants to prosecute they can. They didn't in the news story.

If the home was unsafe, child protective services could get involved and the child.
 

Fogdog

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False.

If the parent wants to prosecute they can. They didn't in the news story.

If the home was unsafe, child protective services could get involved and the child.
Its not such a bright line that you paint. I deliberately included the quote that said the mother of the dead child told the police to go easy on the shooter because it was an "accident". Isn't it interesting how we have such a loose attitude towards accidental gun death, of children nonetheless? If that same child had died because it was left in a locked car in the hot sun by that same person, it's pretty certain that public outrage would have pushed the public prosecutor to press maximum charges regardless of what the parent said. What's different about death from a firearm?

I'm not saying guns should be taken away or kept from the public. I'm just saying that gun owners should lock them up. Its true 1 out of 3 gun owners that leave guns lying about disagree with me. I don't understand why.
 

OddBall1st

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Guns To Surpass Car Accidents As Leading Cause Of Deaths Among Young People
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/02/22/3320751/gun-deaths-surpass-car-accidents-leading-cause-young-people/

Death from firearms is the second leading cause of accidental death of young people. So, no, there is not plenty of shit more dangerous than firearms if we look at actual causes of death.

"Well drano causes death so why don't we outlaw it too?" This is false logic as a response to suggesting regulations to promote safer gun storage. It may or may not be a good question but is not an answer to the issue of high rates of gun deaths among young people.

65% of all accidental gun deaths of children occur in the home of the dead child and by the gun owned by that child's parent. 19% of accidental gun deaths of children occurs in somebody else's home by the gun of that home owner. What's so radical to say that gun owners must lock their guns up?

I'm not even talking about stolen guns that get into the hands of criminals that eventually kill a youngster. Safes, properly installed and locked will cut down on this as well.

Again, lock them up. Do you disagree with this?


You can thank the young Black youth in Chicago for this as well as Baltimore and so on, It`s a Gansta thing you know.
 

red w. blue

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I don't know why other causes of death justify deaths due to guns. Maybe you could explain that to me.
Any justifying should be on you as you are trying to take a right and limit this right. Don't you think you should be pushing a law that pot should always be locked up in a safe? No one is going to die in the 10 or 20 seconds extra to get a puff, are they? The explaining is up to you
As gun nuts must lock up their guns.
The gun nut here is you as you have a problem with them and the owners of them. would you not be happy in an other country?
 
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