budlover13
King Tut
I understand what you're saying and appreciate your acknowledgement, but I don't believe in "assault rifles". Just rifles.
Hey Liberals? Guns work!!
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budlover13
King Tut
I got 5. One shepherd, one lab, and 3 frickin' Chihuahuas lol. The little ones barking perk my ears. The big ones barking usually don't, unless I hear that guttural "big boy" bark. Then I grab a gun and see what's going on.
londonfog
Well-Known Member
same here...very reason I don't need to carry in my home. Dogs going to let me know something not right
budlover13
King Tut
When I don't have company and am home, I don't like carrying that weight on me. So, the shotgun is in a central location in relation to the front and back door and there are two handguns available at different extremities of the house, so I can get to the shotgun. Have I mowed my lawn while carrying? You bet your ass i have. I can't think of too many things I have done in life since adulthood that haven't been done once or twice while carrying. There are a few, but you can use your imagination with those.
Fogdog
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You don't know anything. You just say the same ignorant thing over and over again. You are right about one thing, even states with laws on the books regarding negligent gun ownership (only 27 states have these laws), prosecutors rarely press charges. Why? Its a mystery to me. The NRA, by the way opposes safe storage laws. go figure.
Fogdog
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One dog but she's not a barker. When she does bark, it's because somebody she doesn't know is on our property. No way anybody gets in without us knowing it.
But I'm not a gun owner. Personally, I don't know anybody that's been in a situation where one would be called for. I know of several instances where people I know have either pointed a gun at a family member or have had one pointed at them. In all of those cases, the gun owner had made a mistake but did not make the fatal mistake. I think near shootings like that are more common than people recognize. I don't want to be a Barney. Considering the risk of home invasion relative to the kind of effort that I feel would be needed before I would take on the responsibility of gun ownership, I decided it wasn't worth it.
Others may choose differently but this is the one I've made.
But I'm not a gun owner. Personally, I don't know anybody that's been in a situation where one would be called for. I know of several instances where people I know have either pointed a gun at a family member or have had one pointed at them. In all of those cases, the gun owner had made a mistake but did not make the fatal mistake. I think near shootings like that are more common than people recognize. I don't want to be a Barney. Considering the risk of home invasion relative to the kind of effort that I feel would be needed before I would take on the responsibility of gun ownership, I decided it wasn't worth it.
Others may choose differently but this is the one I've made.
budlover13
King Tut
Maybe the prosecutors in those cases, which are likely a majority, where a kid picks up a gun and shoots his brother will suffer enough? I attended school with two brothers. They were both out playing in front of their country home when the older brother found a revolver beside the road. They decided to play cops and robbers. Older brother pulled the trigger once and put a .38 in his little brothers neck. Younger brother survived and drags his left foot to this day.
Granted, this didn't result from their own parents firearm, they weren't allowed in the home. That changed quickly and the family educated themselves.
But I saw that family suffer. I can only imagine how much more they would have had it been their own firearm.
Fogdog
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I can't imagine anything worse than losing a child due to something avoidable that was my fault. So, not without compassion for the family. Is justice served by adding charges to the woe the family is experiencing? By not pressing charges is anything going to get better? I don't really know. My repetitive and probably obnoxious posts on this thread were in part my attempt to understand attitudes about gun ownership. From the responses I've gotten, the majority of the ones that have responded are just Barneys with a high level of unjustified overconfidence in themselves as responsible gun owners. You and one other person have made sensible replies and I'm not including the two of you in that grouping. Everybody else is fucking scary.
The absolute refusal to consider safe storage of guns as stated by some of the members on this board, convinces me that the status quo means that nothing will change with respect to gun accidents. As you say, the problem is with people, not guns. I think that the best way to change people's behavior is through social pressure -- gentle reminders and cajoling of irresponsible gun owners by their peers. Cajoling to attend training classes above and beyond minimum requirements. Expressions of shock and astonishment when a fellow gun owner is found to leave their guns in unsafe storage conditions. As far as I can tell, gun owners are wimps when it comes to self policing.
At this time, letting a child walk to school alone is treated with greater seriousness by our legal system than negligent homicide by a firearm within a home. Would stepping up legal action put gun owners on notice that accidental shootings are not tolerated as just "accidents"? Would this help to produce downward trends in negligent homicide with a firearm? Maybe or maybe not. At this time, my mind is not made up.
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Harrekin
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Definately, I actually do support a level of gun control tho.
What I don't support is the demonisation of something that by itself is completely harmless unless loaded and accidentally dropped from a considerable height.
But either way I personally keep potentially dangerous shit away from my kids.
Flaming Pie
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Most intelligent people do.
NLXSK1
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My gun is in a hidden closet separated from the clips which are in another closet due to the fact that my nephews were here recently.
You seem to spend an inordinate amount of time worrying about 2 groups of people you have nothing to do with. That being children and gun owners.
The truth is that most gun owners are responsible and want to be responsible with their firearms just like their automobiles, their swimming pools, etc. The irresponsible gun owners are not going to change what they do based on new laws being passed.
That is the reason your idea is rejected, not because people do not want children to be safer.
The NRA does not oppose safe storage of guns. They oppose sweeping legislation that prevents citizens from easy access to their firearms for protection.
You seem to spend an inordinate amount of time worrying about 2 groups of people you have nothing to do with. That being children and gun owners.
The truth is that most gun owners are responsible and want to be responsible with their firearms just like their automobiles, their swimming pools, etc. The irresponsible gun owners are not going to change what they do based on new laws being passed.
That is the reason your idea is rejected, not because people do not want children to be safer.
Fogdog
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Look Barney, all I've ever heard from you until now told me that you are a hazard to yourself and the people around you. You aren't qualified to own a cap gun. But I am glad to hear that you have some sense regarding safe storage of your weapon. Regarding the other stuff, show me where the NRA has supported legislation for gun storage laws. You can't because they haven't. You are ignorant and have never said anything that is backed up with useful information. I still think that you are one of the "people problems" that make responsible gun owners look bad. Not that my opinion of you matters in any way.
I occasionally get a good laugh at your expense when you say something incredibly dense. So, you have some value.
NLXSK1
Well-Known Member
I have not heard anyone advocate for the negligent handling and storage of a gun to this point. The NRA is not in favor of gun storage laws because they are a broad stroke approach that prevents gun owners from easy access to their firearms.
How many laws need to be passed before negligent people start following them?
How many laws need to be passed before negligent people start following them?
pnwmystery
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I think gun safety classes should be mandatory if you want a gun, personally. I have to take a drivers test to get my drivers license after all if everyone on the right keeps touting the "PEOPLE DIE IN CARS, WE SHOULD OUTLAW CARS *heavy breathing*," bullshit argument.
NLXSK1
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The ability to own and operate a motor vehicle is not defined in the bill of rights of the Constitution.
pnwmystery
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." The right of the people to keep and bear Arms is a necessary for the "well regulated Milita," mandatory gun safety courses would ensure that the "Militia" is well regulated.
pnwmystery
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Actually one could argue that it is according to the Privileges and Immunities Clause, because my freedom to travel and right to movement shall not be infringed as outlined in several Supreme Court cases.
NLXSK1
Well-Known Member
Your right to travel would not be infringed, you ability to move yourself via motor vehicle would be. Just as drunk drivers frequently are. You are not advocating that drunk drivers be allowed to drive under the Priviledges and Immunities clause are you?
NLXSK1
Well-Known Member
This post of yours defines the problem as far as I am concerned. You know nothing about me but were happy to make ASSUMPTIONS. Based on those you have declared me unsafe and demanded that I be forced to be responsible by locking up my firearms or AFTER THE FACT you will require my prosecution for NEGLIGENCE.
I have no responsibility to justify my life or actions to you. I have a right to own firearms as defined in the bill of rights which is a document that limits the power of government over it's citizens. For erroneous emotional reasons you want my rights infringed and are astonished when I fight back against it.
You define ignorance...