Soft airy buds

nomofatum

nomofatum

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2ANONYMOUS said:
Although a grower can use a hard water formula for his or her plants it doesnt mean they should. People, are in many relations, the same as plants, what you put in is what you get out. We can feed ourselves fast food everyday to become full, but it doesnt mean that is the healthy best choice for living. Starting with R.O. water and building a quality nutrient profile from scratch is like home cooking. It takes more preparation and time but the results equal a higher quality of life.
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I wouldn't use RO water in my food either. I need those trace minerals too, and I'm not going to drink CalMag.

I see the appeal of RO if you are anal retentive and totally want to control everything. But in reality, you aren't in control, you are just adding a layer that make it easier to feel in control. You don't know exactly what is in your nutes. You don't know exactly what your plants want. The best we can do is lay out a buffet and let them eat. Then change out the food before anything runs out. RO won't help or hurt as long as the buffet isn't missing anything they need/want.
 
hondagrower420

hondagrower420

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Compatak said:
Yes the plants are healthy. I've just been having the same problem with soft airy buds.
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I would think this is mostly genetics. The 60rh could be the culprit also.

When you change things in your grow room. The rule is change one thing. Observe the outcome and if it didn't resolve the issue more on to the next.

If you go changing everything you are not going to be able to pinpoint what is actually going on.
 
hondagrower420

hondagrower420

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nomofatum said:
I wouldn't use RO water in my food either. I need those trace minerals too, and I'm not going to drink CalMag.

I see the appeal of RO if you are anal retentive and totally want to control everything. But in reality, you aren't in control, you are just adding a layer that make it easier to feel in control. You don't know exactly what is in your nutes. You don't know exactly what your plants want. The best we can do is lay out a buffet and let them eat. Then change out the food before anything runs out. RO won't help or hurt as long as the buffet isn't missing anything they need/want.
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It is easier to not have to worry about adding shit.

100% correct.
 
2ANONYMOUS

2ANONYMOUS

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here 220 ppm of tap water with chemical feeding of 450 ppm giving me 670 ppm total ppm one week old plants and yes after time a noticeable salt build up will occur on bottom of pots but what i found to cure this is transplant @ 3 weeks and another week before flower with new fresh soil issues all solved no lock outs no ph issues nothing but good growth through out or a person can flush there plants 2 times prior to flowering its not about changing your ways its working with the problems you encounter along the way its like clock work once you done it a few times you will know when its time to transplant

Its another myth ran wild is that USe RO water how many times do we see nothing but issues from growers just doing Ro water i tap water does not kill you it surely will not kill the plants either gallery_11738_4818_44991.jpg
 
getdown76

getdown76

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nomofatum said:
1. Nutes, Why the fuck do you have hard water nutes and run RO water??? Why half strength? Do you have a PPm meter, what PPM are you running?

2. PH, you are running the range you should be running if you were in soil for flower. Go down to 5.5 and let it drift from 5.5 to 5.8-6.0 then reset to 5.5.

Your plants probably have a hard time getting rid of excess water if you are running 1/2 strength nutes. it's limiting their access to nutes. More nutes at the correct PH. 1200-1800PPM and 5.5 drifting to 6.0 PH.
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What he said without the cussing...
 
hondagrower420

hondagrower420

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I like to keep shit simple.

My nute soup right now:

2:1 ratio of gh bloom:gh micro

2ml/gal of a silica (bulletproffSI)
1tsp/5gal Floralicious+
1tsp/gal of Epsom salt
.5ml/gal flying skull z-7

My tap comes out @ .2ec & 7.2ph

After everything is mixed using the base nutes @ 8ml:16ml/gal. My ec is 2.2ec and ph is @ 5.8ph.

It's really simple and I get great results.

I'm going to work in another additive for flower. Prolly some potassium sulfate or something.
 
Compatak

Compatak

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hondagrower420 said:
I like to keep shit simple.

My nute soup right now:

2:1 ratio of gh bloom:gh micro

2ml/gal of a silica (bulletproffSI)
1tsp/5gal Floralicious+
1tsp/gal of Epsom salt
.5ml/gal flying skull z-7

My tap comes out @ .2ec & 7.2ph

After everything is mixed using the base nutes @ 8ml:16ml/gal. My ec is 2.2ec and ph is @ 5.8ph.

It's really simple and I get great results.

I'm going to work in another additive for flower. Prolly some potassium sulfate or something.
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I just took some clones out of my clone area so... (If you don't mind) I'd like to use your nute soup on this one and see how it turns out.

Great info, Couple questions thou if I could...

1) Using the flora series. I'm thinking you do but to be sure... Do you use it at full or recommended strength throughout your grow?
2) Would you mind sending me links for the following? I've searched for but not sure exactly what they are or where to find them.
silica (bulletproffSI)
Epsom salt. I'm guessing you mean liquid Epson salt but none of what I could find seem to be suitable for plants.

Could you tell me what is the silica is used for?
 
hondagrower420

hondagrower420

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Silica is used to help with cell wall strength and a lot of other things.

http://scienceinhydroponics.com/2010/08/silicon-in-hydroponics-what-silicon-is-good-for-and-how-it-should-be-used.html

Gh makes armorSi as silica supplement.

I do NOT use Lucas @ full strength all the time. I start @ 200ppm (.5 conversion) in week one and then I watch my ppm and plants the rest of the way. I gradually go to full strength. I even use 10ml/20ml when my plants want it.

Keep the ratio of 1:2. That is a npk of 1:3:3 or close to it and is good for all stages of growth
 
hondagrower420

hondagrower420

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This is a run I got going. It's 5gal rez. 3 Mephisto alien vs triangle. I have ran this in tables, but I foilar sprayed the Floralicious+ & Epsom salt.

I think this was @ 60 days from seed. They vegged like 45 days. I plan on finishing right at 100 days. So they have another 6 weeks to go.
 
Compatak

Compatak

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hondagrower420 said:
Silica is used to help with cell wall strength and a lot of other things.

http://scienceinhydroponics.com/2010/08/silicon-in-hydroponics-what-silicon-is-good-for-and-how-it-should-be-used.html

Gh makes armorSi as silica supplement.

I do NOT use Lucas @ full strength all the time. I start @ 200ppm (.5 conversion) in week one and then I watch my ppm and plants the rest of the way. I gradually go to full strength. I even use 10ml/20ml when my plants want it.

Keep the ratio of 1:2. That is a npk of 1:3:3 or close to it and is good for all stages of growth
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Ok got it.... I hate to ask but one more thing???
Epsom salt. I'm guessing you mean liquid Epson salt but none of what I could find seem to be suitable for plants.
 
ryan1918

ryan1918

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nomofatum said:
1. Nutes, Why the fuck do you have hard water nutes and run RO water??? Why half strength? Do you have a PPm meter, what PPM are you running?

2. PH, you are running the range you should be running if you were in soil for flower. Go down to 5.5 and let it drift from 5.5 to 5.8-6.0 then reset to 5.5.

Your plants probably have a hard time getting rid of excess water if you are running 1/2 strength nutes. it's limiting their access to nutes. More nutes at the correct PH. 1200-1800PPM and 5.5 drifting to 6.0 PH.
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Why would you want to be that low in soil?
 
ryan1918

ryan1918

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Compatak said:
I keep the humidity at 60%
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Get your flower temps down about 5 degrees, and drop your humidity, you start at week 2 of flower at 60 and drop it 5% each week until its at 40%, one factor it could be your strain, how do your roots look, when is the last time you changed your bulb?
 
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