Where am i going wrong?

murphy82

New Member
Hi,
I've been at this for almost 2 years now but haven't broke out of beginner mode yet and I'm looking for some guidance.

I usually grow 6 plants under a 1000w light in a 1.5 m2 tent using a scrog but am struggling to get more than 2.5oz per plant. I'm reasonably pleased with what I get as its a real good smoke but I think I'm getting less than I should.

My process starts with cuttings or seeds for around 8 weeks under flourescents which go really well and grow to around 12 inches. I use ionic grow for coco as I use cana professional plus throughout the grow. I also lollypop the first 6 inches or so.
Next step is into the tent using 20l pots with cana pro plus and about 30% pearlite. I use full strength nutes(ionic grow) at this point which according to the guidelines is 7ml per litre and pH to around 5.8 - 6.0. I hand water the plants when needed which at this stage is every 2 - 3 days. I'll cut away the stringy, weak looking stems and sugar leaves that are hanging underneath the scrog net in veg.

After 3-4 weeks and once the net is filling up nicely I'll saturate the pots in plain pH water then switch over to 1000w 12/12 a few days later and start them on full strength ionic grow 7ml/l and water with nutes every time every 2 days.
I think its at this point things don't go so well. I usually start getting quite a few yellowing leaves, then a few die off throughout the next 9 weeks. The main colas are usually quite thin and grow to about 4 inches and the rest reduce in sizedown to popcorn. The last 10 days is flushing with clean pH water but they do start to droop at this point and tend to lie on the net rather than stand proud.
Like I said, the end result is a good one in terms of qualify but they just look sorry for themselves in the last 4 weeks.
I'm using greenhouse seeds cheese strain.
Hope someone can give me a bit of direction!
 

Callisto405

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The problem is the coco.....you need to be a very experienced grower to get the nutes right in coco.....I recommend since your inexperienced to use fox farm soil instead of coco.....there's very little you need to do with fox farm.....all you will really need is calmag/ Epsom salt, lime for ph, Fox Farm grow big, Fox Farm Big Bloom and maybe some worm castings
 

Diabolical666

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idk man, I think you are drowning your plants...are you having deficiencies even tho you are feeding that much? You mention yellow/crunchy leaves at the bottom? (thats sign of overwatering, drowning roots)
 

monkz

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Your main problems are your medium, nutrients, and flushing (assuming that your environment is in check).
Medium: switch over to hydro
Nutrients: start at 300-400 ppm and increase by 100 every week until you reach 1500, then maintain.
Flushing: don't do it, unless you're trying to correct an imbalance.

Also, 20l pots... you need bigger containers.
 

Corso312

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Pics?


This might be a dumb question: Have you changed your bulb?

You never mentioned your temps and humidity levels
 

murphy82

New Member
Hmm, I'm not sure either. 2 weeks into flower the coco is pretty much dried right out 2 days after watering. Sometimes I've left it 3 days and they look like they are wilting then perk up after a water. I'm not sure if I should be watering plain then nutes, plain, nutes etc
 

murphy82

New Member
Your main problems are your medium, nutrients, and flushing (assuming that your environment is in check).
Medium: switch over to hydro
Nutrients: start at 300-400 ppm and increase by 100 every week until you reach 1500, then maintain.
Flushing: don't do it, unless you're trying to correct an imbalance.

Also, 20l pots... you need bigger containers.
 

murphy82

New Member
Thanks for the reply. I don't think I'm ready for hydro yet. I'm worried I'll ruin the lot. At the moment I'm able to maintain my needs with what I got but I just want to get it running right without changing the whole game.
 

murphy82

New Member
Pics?


This might be a dumb question: Have you changed your bulb?

You never mentioned your temps and humidity levels
I haven't changed my bulb actually, that is on my list for the next one.

Humidity starts off low for me in veg...around 35 - 40. I put water in the tent to try and get it higher but not much luck, But it rises to about 60 - 70 in flower
 

Corso312

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I change my bulb after 2 grows in my 1k's .. Also.. If you have a hood- reflector ..clean it..

Temps?

Fresh air?
 

Feisty1UR

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Maybe try and use PK 13/14. I usually run coco coir pro+.

Canna A+B, Cal-Mag, Blackstrap Molasses (A little additive), Epsom Salts and PK 13/14 for flower. I've had great results.

Also, I don't believe in flushing. It's just a myth. Unless you screw up really bad.. And I mean really bad.
 
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medicalMonster

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Hi,
I've been at this for almost 2 years now but haven't broke out of beginner mode yet and I'm looking for some guidance.

I usually grow 6 plants under a 1000w light in a 1.5 m2 tent using a scrog but am struggling to get more than 2.5oz per plant. I'm reasonably pleased with what I get as its a real good smoke but I think I'm getting less than I should. Big time. You should get 1 gpw if your tubes new and you run 8 weeks veg with 1k.

My process starts with cuttings or seeds for around 8 weeks under flourescents which go really well and grow to around 12 inches. I use ionic grow for coco as I use cana professional plus throughout the grow. I also lollypop the first 6 inches or so.
Next step is into the tent using 20l pots with cana pro plus and about 30% pearlite. Coco loves 50/50 for me. You need to water more but you get very fast hydro growth. I use full strength nutes(ionic grow) at this point which according to the guidelines is 7ml per litre and pH to around 5.8 - 6.0. I use half max. But it depends. Like jungle juice is hard to burn your plants. Kiss. canna coco. flw and bloom. Its ALL i use. And B vitamin and supps if they show deficiency. I hand water the plants when needed which at this stage is every 2 - 3 days. I'll cut away the stringy, weak looking stems and sugar leaves that are hanging underneath the scrog net in veg. I flipped last night. 19 day veg. (im doing an led only test. I never flowered with only led. I know thats a super low veg....IMAG0148.jpg Im watering every 3 hours at 30 seconds. Its hydro. And 1000w. They are quite happy with that it seems.

After 3-4 weeks and once the net is filling up nicely I'll saturate the pots in plain pH water then switch over to 1000w 12/12 a few days later and start them on full strength ionic grow 7ml/l and water with nutes every time every 2 days.
I think its at this point things don't go so well. I usually start getting quite a few yellowing leaves, then a few die off throughout the next 9 weeks. Canna coco is really so easy to use I think like someone said your nutes are the issue. And 6.0 ph is bang on for coco. The main colas are usually quite thin and grow to about 4 inches and the rest reduce in sizedown to popcorn. The last 10 days is flushing with clean pH water but they do start to droop at this point and tend to lie on the net rather than stand proud.
Like I said, the end result is a good one in terms of qualify but they just look sorry for themselves in the last 4 weeks.
I'm using greenhouse seeds cheese strain.
Hope someone can give me a bit of direction!
I dont flush more then 3 days. last day is ice. And 24hr darkness. I also am not a fan of that breeder. But I also sucked big ones when I tried them.

Good luck bud

the good old 1000w beast :)
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monkz

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Thanks for the reply. I don't think I'm ready for hydro yet. I'm worried I'll ruin the lot. At the moment I'm able to maintain my needs with what I got but I just want to get it running right without changing the whole game.
Dude, trust me, you are ready for hydro.
Everyone, including me, has this unexplainable fear of hydro before they try it. It is easier than growing in soil/coco/whateverthefuckelse.
The yields are higher, quality is better, plant is stronger/healthier.
There are literally no downsides.
Get a container, fill with water, put an airstone in it... that's hydro (well, DWC at least, imo the best hydro method).
 

medicalMonster

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Thanks for the reply. I don't think I'm ready for hydro yet. I'm worried I'll ruin the lot. At the moment I'm able to maintain my needs with what I got but I just want to get it running right without changing the whole game.
Yup. Your ready. And theirs so many ways to try it just like a throw in the corner test. Hempy is one. Never tried. Never will. A dwc is time consuming. The big factor with hydro is you need a ppm gauge and a ph gauge and use them. ALOT. and its not really hard to feed. Half strength and you can get through veg easy. Flower, half strength until you get the blast off then go full if not burnt tips. But to hand water 50/50 coco perlite for me at 6.0 ph 5 times a day in a 3 gallon nets me 200+ dry on a 400w. Quite fast growth too.

You cant overwater coco. Which is great. Just run off. 20-30%. YOU CAN DO IT!

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Corso312

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Dude, trust me, you are ready for hydro.
Everyone, including me, has this unexplainable fear of hydro before they try it. It is easier than growing in soil/coco/whateverthefuckelse.
The yields are higher, quality is better, plant is stronger/healthier.
There are literally no downsides.
Get a container, fill with water, put an airstone in it... that's hydro (well, DWC at least, imo the best hydro method).





Quality better? Gtfo here

Faster growth yeah




Lol @ healthier- stronger..


No downsides? How bout power outage for 36 hours and lose a crop.
 

Feisty1UR

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Yup. Your ready. And theirs so many ways to try it just like a throw in the corner test. Hempy is one. Never tried. Never will. A dwc is time consuming. The big factor with hydro is you need a ppm gauge and a ph gauge and use them. ALOT. and its not really hard to feed. Half strength and you can get through veg easy. Flower, half strength until you get the blast off then go full if not burnt tips. But to hand water 50/50 coco perlite for me at 6.0 ph 5 times a day in a 3 gallon nets me 200+ dry on a 400w. Quite fast growth too.

You cant overwater coco. Which is great. Just run off. 20-30%. YOU CAN DO IT!

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Are you talking about growing in coco, or using dwc? and 200 dry, really? Most I've got is 150 using the same method.
 

medicalMonster

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Quality better? Gtfo here (Any way you grow bud if your good your good. And its killer. But hydro is the same strain, same genetics.) Cervantes could grow with his beard and piss and it would be gold.

Faster growth yeah -

Big time




Lol @ healthier- stronger.. Yeh big time lol. Bs. All to do with training soil hydro anything.


No downsides? How bout power outage for 36 hours and lose a crop.

I have a battery capable of running an air pump and cfl for weeks. 100 bucks or less. Still, a downside. My HID is out. I lose yield big time. But a total loss Is hard. But in these times man, powers going out and the worlds exploding so.. Hard to say.
 

medicalMonster

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Are you talking about growing in coco, or using dwc? and 200 dry, really? Most I've got is 150 using the same method.
Growing in coco or more simpler like a hempy. Throw in his veg room in the corner and just get his feet wet in hydro. Excuse the pun. aahahahahahahaa. sorry.
 

medicalMonster

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L.S.D. Yielded 225 ish. And thats throwing alot of pop corns into butane. 400 mh , 400 hps flower. Hand HST. no scrog no net.

I prob got lucky i guess. i dont know whats normal. Im only on my like.. 6th harvest
 
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