What would loosing your Garden mean to you ?

Aliquot

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They do grow great weed, but I think if they were genuinely concerned for patients they wouldn't charge 8,9,10,11,12,13,14$/g.

Don't get me wrong, I use Broken Coast. Top quality meds for sure. But they're slightly steep.

Whistler mmj is ridiculously expensive. Like up to 13/14$/g.

How is someone supposed to live with prices like that?
MMPR prices are inflated for a few reasons. First off WMMC is the only certified organic LP, I believe they could be charging $25 and still selling lots due to that. Growing certified organic is not as easy as using nutrients which have been optimized over the last 30 years. Lower yields, more labor, but a niche product which may prove superior to hydroponic varieties.

As for MMPR in general:

Inflated MMPR prices are part due to the enormous overhead due to the regulators and security requirements. Next is Veteran Affairs covers medical marijuana up to 10g/day. This is why people can afford it, because insurance pays for it like they would other drugs. Think about that. These veterans can order 300g a month at $14/g. And most are selling half or more of that. So prices are inflated for people paying out of pocket because LPs are capitalizing on insurance coverage. But seriously LPs have not even been breaking even at these prices due to ridiculous regulations. As always it is the government's fault, both for the veteran affairs inflation and regulatory costs for stupid regulations.

Its terrible for patients I agree, but if the company can't pay its bills it wont support any patients.
 

nsbudca

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MMPR prices are inflated for a few reasons. First off WMMC is the only certified organic LP, I believe they could be charging $25 and still selling lots due to that. Growing certified organic is not as easy as using nutrients which have been optimized over the last 30 years. Lower yields, more labor, but a niche product which may prove superior to hydroponic varieties.

As for MMPR in general:

Inflated MMPR prices are part due to the enormous overhead due to the regulators and security requirements. Next is Veteran Affairs covers medical marijuana up to 10g/day. This is why people can afford it, because insurance pays for it like they would other drugs. Think about that. These veterans can order 300g a month at $14/g. And most are selling half or more of that. So prices are inflated for people paying out of pocket because LPs are capitalizing on insurance coverage. But seriously LPs have not even been breaking even at these prices due to ridiculous regulations. As always it is the government's fault, both for the veteran affairs inflation and regulatory costs for stupid regulations.

Its terrible for patients I agree, but if the company can't pay its bills it wont support any patients.
I understand how the MMPR works. Thanks.

Let me try this approach.

You can order 5 grams of fire from your LP for 80$. (Includes tax and shipping)

Or your buddy down the road has the fire at 8$/g. You can now buy ten grams of good quality pot, for the price of five.

Clearly people will turn to the black market in these situations.

They are losing money by having high prices. I would have a higher script and end up spending more money if the pot was 4/5$/g.

Justin Trudeau said it himself:
"If we tax too high and charge too much, the black market will come into play anyways "

My script is a low 1g per day.
30 grams per month. At 13$/g that's 390$/month. Before taxes and shipping.

I bring in pretty decent money but I find that hard to wrap my head around considering my phone, power and gas bills don't even add up to that much.

I probably order 20g a month from my LP tops.

I get what you mean but most of us are not veterans and pay for the shit with our own money.

LPs still get paid so your argument is kind of irrelevant.

Their prices are that high cause they wanted a piece of the pie so bad that they now have investors saying "where's my money? I own half of your facility, remember?"

They were all BEGGING for investors, when the cash didn't come like they expected they started shitting bricks.

On top of regular operating costs.
 
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GrowRock

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MMPR prices are inflated for a few reasons. First off WMMC is the only certified organic LP, I believe they could be charging $25 and still selling lots due to that. Growing certified organic is not as easy as using nutrients which have been optimized over the last 30 years. Lower yields, more labor, but a niche product which may prove superior to hydroponic varieties.

As for MMPR in general:

Inflated MMPR prices are part due to the enormous overhead due to the regulators and security requirements. Next is Veteran Affairs covers medical marijuana up to 10g/day. This is why people can afford it, because insurance pays for it like they would other drugs. Think about that. These veterans can order 300g a month at $14/g. And most are selling half or more of that. So prices are inflated for people paying out of pocket because LPs are capitalizing on insurance coverage. But seriously LPs have not even been breaking even at these prices due to ridiculous regulations. As always it is the government's fault, both for the veteran affairs inflation and regulatory costs for stupid regulations.

Its terrible for patients I agree, but if the company can't pay its bills it wont support any patients.
Certified organic is difficult when farming outdoors due to overspray etc. they are growing indoors in a controlled environment..... Just saying and no bud I repeat no bud is worth $25 a gram..... Imo
 

nsbudca

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MMPR prices are inflated for a few reasons. First off WMMC is the only certified organic LP, I believe they could be charging $25 and still selling lots due to that. Growing certified organic is not as easy as using nutrients which have been optimized over the last 30 years. Lower yields, more labor, but a niche product which may prove superior to hydroponic varieties.

As for MMPR in general:

Inflated MMPR prices are part due to the enormous overhead due to the regulators and security requirements. Next is Veteran Affairs covers medical marijuana up to 10g/day. This is why people can afford it, because insurance pays for it like they would other drugs. Think about that. These veterans can order 300g a month at $14/g. And most are selling half or more of that. So prices are inflated for people paying out of pocket because LPs are capitalizing on insurance coverage. But seriously LPs have not even been breaking even at these prices due to ridiculous regulations. As always it is the government's fault, both for the veteran affairs inflation and regulatory costs for stupid regulations.

Its terrible for patients I agree, but if the company can't pay its bills it wont support any patients.
Also,

If they all grew good meds, not just a few, and charged 3-5$/g, they probably could have won over a good number of MMAR patients.

The biggest problem that the MMAR guys have is that for the last 13 years they've been growing their own for 1-2$/g. Now they're trying to make them pay 14$?

That's a 1,400% mark up.

But most of these LP owners and operators knew zilch about medical marijuana and had no idea how to market to a MEDICAL audience.

Their business models are mostly based off of the recreational market. It's not the same.
 

nsbudca

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not in your lifetime! at that price its still robbery...
Not everyone had a huge script gb.

I feel like if they had approached the MMAR folks with more reasonable pricing and better quality right off the jump, this may have went a bit smoother for all.

I certainly don't agree with taking away grow rights.
 

CalyxCrusher

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MMPR prices are inflated for a few reasons. First off WMMC is the only certified organic LP, I believe they could be charging $25 and still selling lots due to that. Growing certified organic is not as easy as using nutrients which have been optimized over the last 30 years. Lower yields, more labor, but a niche product which may prove superior to hydroponic varieties.

As for MMPR in general:

Inflated MMPR prices are part due to the enormous overhead due to the regulators and security requirements. Next is Veteran Affairs covers medical marijuana up to 10g/day. This is why people can afford it, because insurance pays for it like they would other drugs. Think about that. These veterans can order 300g a month at $14/g. And most are selling half or more of that. So prices are inflated for people paying out of pocket because LPs are capitalizing on insurance coverage. But seriously LPs have not even been breaking even at these prices due to ridiculous regulations. As always it is the government's fault, both for the veteran affairs inflation and regulatory costs for stupid regulations.

Its terrible for patients I agree, but if the company can't pay its bills it wont support any patients.
If the company cant pay its bills its due to poor business planning. Plain and simple. Shouldnt make the patients pick up the slack in their financial faults. Fire your business planner. The fact this seems debatable, is rather laughable. Organic being THAT much pricier is also laughable, its grown in animal shit and composts
 

gb123

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Not everyone had a huge script gb.

I feel like if they had approached the MMAR folks with more reasonable pricing and better quality right off the jump, this may have went a bit smoother for all.

I certainly don't agree with taking away grow rights.
Assuming again NSB...

........reasonable would be cheaper than butts and they're rightly over priced for a killer weed as things stand!!!
 

gb123

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When the federal government tried to phase out the old medical cannabis regulations by having over 30,000 patients destroy their home gardens, the response led to a Charter challenge.

Without this court case, the RCMP and Health Canada bureaucrats were more than willing to enforce this blatant violation of rights.

Destroy the garden, mix the cannabis with kitty litter, put it out on the curb and wait for the garbage-man to pick it up.

Likewise, whenever the police bust an illegal “grow-op” or raid a peaceful dispensary, the cannabis they confiscate usually gets destroyed. Or it’s filed away as evidence never to see the light day again (assuming that our trusted public servants don’t take it home and smoke it themselves).

So when I hear of licensed producers (LPs) growing more cannabis than is in demand, my first thought goes to destroying that cannabis — for health and public safety reasons, of course.

Health Canada admitted that there is an “overall sufficient supply of marijuana for medical purposes to meet the current access needs of registered clients” and so there is no reason for the LPs to stockpile so much cannabis.

With over 7,000 kilograms of cannabis in their inventory, one wonders why more LPs haven’t slashed their prices to $1 a gram.

Not that LP cannabis is worth even that much, but you’d think basic economics might come into play here.

If I have 200 grams and sell it for $10 a gram but hardly anyone buys and I’m stuck with, let’s say, 150 grams along with the additional costs like storage — then why wouldn’t I slash my prices to sell the remaining 150 grams?

Of course, if I can’t make my money back selling it at a much lower price, then it might make sense to bear the storage costs and wait it out.

But since the LPs are a creation of Ottawa, and since Ottawa has no problem violating property rights in order to achieve certain ends, why not force the LPs to destroy their excess supply?

Just like patients who may have to destroy their gardens, or cops that destroy grow operations, if the LPs excess supply is not being sold, then we can’t wait around for Justin to legalize in hopes that the LPs can sell to recreational consumers.

Think of the children!

Having all that cannabis sit in some old Hersey factory is just plain unsafe. What if a tornado or a wicked winter storm comes through and knocks down the building and sends cannabis flying throughout the community?

Would you rather see 1,000 kilograms get loose and into the hands of children, or 5,000 kilograms?

Of course, this line of reasoning is ridiculous. Then again, so was the Liberals’ legalization.

The Liberals didn’t campaign on legalization because you are a self-owning adult human being that has the right to consume cannabis.

They campaigned on “keeping it out of the hands of children” and what better way to do that than coercively shutting down dispensaries, banning home-growing, and giving the LPs the exclusive right to produce and sell.
 

Aliquot

Active Member
I understand how the MMPR works. Thanks.

Let me try this approach.

You can order 5 grams of fire from your LP for 80$. (Includes tax and shipping)

Or your buddy down the road has the fire at 8$/g. You can now buy ten grams of good quality pot, for the price of five.

Clearly people will turn to the black market in these situations.

They are losing money by having high prices. I would have a higher script and end up spending more money if the pot was 4/5$/g.

Justin Trudeau said it himself:
"If we tax too high and charge too much, the black market will come into play anyways "

My script is a low 1g per day.
30 grams per month. At 13$/g that's 390$/month. Before taxes and shipping.

I bring in pretty decent money but I find that hard to wrap my head around considering my phone, power and gas bills don't even add up to that much.

I probably order 20g a month from my LP tops.

I get what you mean but most of us are not veterans and pay for the shit with our own money.

LPs still get paid so your argument is kind of irrelevant.

Their prices are that high cause they wanted a piece of the pie so bad that they now have investors saying "where's my money? I own half of your facility, remember?"

They were all BEGGING for investors, when the cash didn't come like they expected they started shitting bricks.

On top of regular operating costs.

I think the intended market of the MMPR are aging baby boomers. They need cannabis for many aging diseases and have lots of money. People with low incomes and chronic illnesses are the victims of the (previous) government's ideology. If you cant afford it just grow, the judicial system in canada is very sane minded and will protect us from the crazy bullshit politicians. Unless I can grow unlimited cannabis in my back yard it is not legal. Just like tomatoes, I would agree to anyone commercially selling be under regulations. But if I want to grow 1000 plants for personal use that is my business.
 

nobody important 666

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I think the intended market of the MMPR are aging baby boomers. They need cannabis for many aging diseases and have lots of money. People with low incomes and chronic illnesses are the victims of the (previous) government's ideology. If you cant afford it just grow, the judicial system in canada is very sane minded and will protect us from the crazy bullshit politicians. Unless I can grow unlimited cannabis in my back yard it is not legal. Just like tomatoes, I would agree to anyone commercially selling be under regulations. But if I want to grow 1000 plants for personal use that is my business.
Damn right. Right beside my coca, poppy and ayahusca plants.
 
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