ChesusRice
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Link please
APNewsBreak: US declares 22 Clinton emails 'top secret'
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MuyLocoNC
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You don't need a link. You've seen the report as well as her denial and her campaign manager's denial. The pertinent part that certainly appears to be SOP for her team is the stripping of classified markings so they could be sent nonsecure.
“Just email it,” Clinton snapped, to which Sullivan replied: “Trust me, I share your exasperation. But until ops converts it to the unclassified email system, there is no physical way for me to email it.”
In another recently released email, Clinton instructed Sullivan to convert a classified document into an unclassified email attachment by scanning it into an unsecured computer and sending it to her without any classified markings. “Turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure,” she ordered.
Of course, the toadies lined up to claim that particular document didn't contain any classified material and ended up being sent by secure fax. Which also isn't pertinent. The exchanges clearly show her willingness to circumvent security protocols for expedience and convenience. By itself it probably isn't prosecutable, but throw it on the pile and it certainly doesn't help her defense.
Available on CNN, CBS, NY POST, Wash Times, NBC, etc...
Padawanbater2
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Says the person who screams about every single little pseudo-scandal she can dig up...
Watch how this plays out, I'll be back to say I told you so
Flaming Pie
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Screams about little pseudo-scandals?
I am quoting law, policy, and signed agreements.
Flaming Pie
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I get the feeling that chesus and pada look at our citations and just say TLDR.
ChesusRice
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Then you can easily provide a link from the above mentioned sources
Padawanbater2
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Benghazi, Climategate, Planned Parenthood
Hillary is a criminal, humans don't cause climate change, Planned Parenthood sells baby parts, regardless of any amount of investigations into them, so now when you come out and do the same old tired thing as always - "Look at this! LOOOK!" - it doesn't have anything behind it.
Stop crying wolf (like you are now) and you might get better results
ChesusRice
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Washington (CNN)Colin Powell and top staffers for Condoleezza Rice received classified information through personal email accounts, according to a new report from State Department investigators.
Hillary Clinton has received severe criticism -- particularly from Republicans and computer security experts -- for using her personal email account while serving as the nation's top diplomat under President Barack Obama. Thursday's revelation about the two secretaries of state under former President George W. Bush gave her supporters an opportunity to claim the Democratic presidential candidate was being singled out over the practice.
The emails were discovered during a State Department review of the email practices of the past five secretaries of state. It found that Powell received two emails that were classified and that the "immediate staff" working for Rice received 10 emails that were classified.
The information was deemed either "secret" or "confidential," according to the report, which was viewed by CNN.
In all the cases, however -- as well as Clinton's -- the information was not marked "classified" at the time the emails were sent, according to State Department investigators.
Powell noted that point in a statement on Thursday.
"The State Department cannot now say they were classified then because they weren't," Powell said. "If the Department wishes to say a dozen years later they should have been classified that is an opinion of the Department that I do not share."
"I have reviewed the messages and I do not see what makes them classified," Powell said.
Clinton has argued that the messages from her email have since been deemed classified by the intelligence community as part of an "inter-agency dispute" between the intelligence community and the State Department over whether the information should have been classified.
Additionally, Powell said he never kept the emails in his possession when he left the State Department. Unlike Clinton, Powell's emails remained in government computer servers.
An aide to Rice, who now teaches at Stanford University, said that Rice herself never used email -- not even a personal email account -- during her tenure.
Clinton, who is now running for president, has weathered a year of political fire for setting up a personal email server at her home in Chappaqua, New York to conduct business as secretary of state. That allowed her to place her official state communication outside government purview and under her complete control. Critics claim this put national secrets at risk.
John Podesta, Clinton's presidential campaign chairman, said these issues are overblown. All of these instances are examples of how government bureaucrats keep too many things secret, he said.
"Clinton agrees with her predecessor that his emails, like hers, are being inappropriately subjected to over-classification," he said in a statement.
Democrats blast probe
The inspector general's report was addressed to Patrick Kennedy, the under secretary of state for management. Kennedy was interviewed by the House Select Committee on Benghazi on Wednesday, and this report was also shared members of the government's intelligence community.
Rep. Elijah E. Cummings, D-Maryland, was the first to make these findings public. On Wednesday, he issued a statement blasting Republicans for singling out Clinton over the issue.
"Based on this new revelation, it is clear that the Republican investigations are nothing more than a transparent political attempt to use taxpayer funds to target the Democratic candidate for President," Cummings said.
There's now an effort to relax the investigation. House Speaker Paul Ryan and other top Republican politicians are wary of multiple congressional probes into Clinton's email appearing too political, and have instructed House chairmen to stand down and let the FBI take the lead.
"We are going to respect the FBI's investigation," Ryan told reporters on Thursday, adding that FBI Director James Comey and his team "have the tools they need to do it."
Ryan's remarks also came after House Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz publicly touted his own review and suggested he had new information. Chaffetz's panel had already sent a letter to the State Department last month asking Secretary John Kerry for information about the department's handling of requests made under the Freedom of Information Act.
Chaffetz's efforts keep raising alarm bells inside Republican Party. Speaking about Clinton, he recently said: "I'm not specifically trying to target the secretary, but when she creates her own private email system, she's ensnarled herself."
Meanwhile, Ryan and other members of his leadership team are telling Chaffetz to back off, according to multiple House Republican sources. They're worried that Chaffetz, a Republican from Utah, will damage any credibility of an congressional inquiry by appearing overly partisan. Chaffetz has endorsed Florida GOP Sen. Marco Rubio for president and has gone on the campaign trail to boost his candidacy.
Similarly, the House Science Committee Chairman Lamar Smith has expressed interest in examining Clinton's use of a private server. But an aide to the House Science Committee now tells CNN they would "defer to the FBI's expanding investigation."
"We expect the FBI to do its job and fully investigate cybervulnerabilities that may have resulted from former Secretary Clinton's decision to deviate from established cybersecurity standards and requirements," the aide said.
Hillary Clinton has received severe criticism -- particularly from Republicans and computer security experts -- for using her personal email account while serving as the nation's top diplomat under President Barack Obama. Thursday's revelation about the two secretaries of state under former President George W. Bush gave her supporters an opportunity to claim the Democratic presidential candidate was being singled out over the practice.
The emails were discovered during a State Department review of the email practices of the past five secretaries of state. It found that Powell received two emails that were classified and that the "immediate staff" working for Rice received 10 emails that were classified.
The information was deemed either "secret" or "confidential," according to the report, which was viewed by CNN.
In all the cases, however -- as well as Clinton's -- the information was not marked "classified" at the time the emails were sent, according to State Department investigators.
Powell noted that point in a statement on Thursday.
"The State Department cannot now say they were classified then because they weren't," Powell said. "If the Department wishes to say a dozen years later they should have been classified that is an opinion of the Department that I do not share."
"I have reviewed the messages and I do not see what makes them classified," Powell said.
Clinton has argued that the messages from her email have since been deemed classified by the intelligence community as part of an "inter-agency dispute" between the intelligence community and the State Department over whether the information should have been classified.
Additionally, Powell said he never kept the emails in his possession when he left the State Department. Unlike Clinton, Powell's emails remained in government computer servers.
An aide to Rice, who now teaches at Stanford University, said that Rice herself never used email -- not even a personal email account -- during her tenure.
Clinton, who is now running for president, has weathered a year of political fire for setting up a personal email server at her home in Chappaqua, New York to conduct business as secretary of state. That allowed her to place her official state communication outside government purview and under her complete control. Critics claim this put national secrets at risk.
John Podesta, Clinton's presidential campaign chairman, said these issues are overblown. All of these instances are examples of how government bureaucrats keep too many things secret, he said.
"Clinton agrees with her predecessor that his emails, like hers, are being inappropriately subjected to over-classification," he said in a statement.
Democrats blast probe
The inspector general's report was addressed to Patrick Kennedy, the under secretary of state for management. Kennedy was interviewed by the House Select Committee on Benghazi on Wednesday, and this report was also shared members of the government's intelligence community.
Rep. Elijah E. Cummings, D-Maryland, was the first to make these findings public. On Wednesday, he issued a statement blasting Republicans for singling out Clinton over the issue.
"Based on this new revelation, it is clear that the Republican investigations are nothing more than a transparent political attempt to use taxpayer funds to target the Democratic candidate for President," Cummings said.
There's now an effort to relax the investigation. House Speaker Paul Ryan and other top Republican politicians are wary of multiple congressional probes into Clinton's email appearing too political, and have instructed House chairmen to stand down and let the FBI take the lead.
"We are going to respect the FBI's investigation," Ryan told reporters on Thursday, adding that FBI Director James Comey and his team "have the tools they need to do it."
Ryan's remarks also came after House Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz publicly touted his own review and suggested he had new information. Chaffetz's panel had already sent a letter to the State Department last month asking Secretary John Kerry for information about the department's handling of requests made under the Freedom of Information Act.
Chaffetz's efforts keep raising alarm bells inside Republican Party. Speaking about Clinton, he recently said: "I'm not specifically trying to target the secretary, but when she creates her own private email system, she's ensnarled herself."
Meanwhile, Ryan and other members of his leadership team are telling Chaffetz to back off, according to multiple House Republican sources. They're worried that Chaffetz, a Republican from Utah, will damage any credibility of an congressional inquiry by appearing overly partisan. Chaffetz has endorsed Florida GOP Sen. Marco Rubio for president and has gone on the campaign trail to boost his candidacy.
Similarly, the House Science Committee Chairman Lamar Smith has expressed interest in examining Clinton's use of a private server. But an aide to the House Science Committee now tells CNN they would "defer to the FBI's expanding investigation."
"We expect the FBI to do its job and fully investigate cybervulnerabilities that may have resulted from former Secretary Clinton's decision to deviate from established cybersecurity standards and requirements," the aide said.
londonfog
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or you could be wrong AND dumb.
Flaming Pie
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Maybe if the topics offend you so, you should just put us all on ignore?
You don't come here for debate. You come to buddy up with like minded individuals.
Padawanbater2
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It's not a "debate" when one side dismisses all rationality - as you do with each of those examples I gave
MuyLocoNC
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Just as you can easily google it. Go do your own legwork, I don't march to your orders. You know that shit don't work on me, silly lib.
ChesusRice
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I posted a link and copied it from cnn
It doesn't say what you claim
It doesn't say what you claim
MuyLocoNC
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Hey looky, looky, here's a link from cnn, it doesn't say what either of us claim.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/26/entertainment/abe-vigoda-dead-obit-feat/index.html
Let's keep posting links that don't say what we claim. This is fun. Link please.
WeeblesWobbles
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It's problematic. You assume that everything is classified. That's what I was advised by both my attorneys and the Feds. It baffles me how any business correspondence involving the SECSTATE wouldn't be assumed to be classified.
I've had dealings with the Feds. Security audits were brutal and relentless. We still have sequestered servers that can't be used and can't be destroyed. Total white elephants.
How did she avoid those audits?
WeeblesWobbles
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Well I hope they straighten it out. This was a systemic failure of the first order. Forget the politics of the situation. They need to clean shop.
Flaming Pie
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It's funny how they always say we are being lazy by not doing the leg work ourselves.
When I have found info before, I link it for people. If I have not or could not find it, I ask for a link.
Bunch of hypocritical people in politics.
see4
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If you claim something and don't substantiate it with anything, how can we take what you say as factual information? Some of us ask for citation so we can understand your perspective on things. If you can't offer that, then what's the point in engaging in a conversation?
I'm using the figurative "you" in this case. I am not explicitly stating, you.
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Flaming Pie
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I understand.
What I am saying is, I encounter a lot of people who refuse to provide citations when asked.
I think we should all provide citations when asked for our source. Otherwise we should aay, I'm at work or that is just my opinion.
Example: A couple days past I was asking if anyone had proof of the governor of Michigan being informed of the lead water in flint. I said, Did Snyder have knowledge of so and so and I was immediately rebuked for even asking. I asked for sources and they became more agitated.
I don't know if they thought I was being sarcastic, or maybe disingenuous, but I stated several times my intentions. They asked my intention for asking that simple question. Like I was trying to make trouble.
Very unproductive.