Cutting two weeks early then straight water under lights?!

[Budley Doright]

And there you go .

 

[churchhaze]

So in order to survive floods, plants ferment themselves to death... That's stoner science for you.

 

[RM3]

So in order to survive floods, plants ferment themselves to death... That's stoner science for you.

Nope, tis real science, quotes & links are in my truth about flushing thread

ALL PLANTS DO IT

Have a nice day

 

[RM3]

Fermentation is strictly defined as any way of anaerobically degrade pyruvic acid and recycle NAD+ to keep glycolysis going. You can then categorize this process as lactic acid fermentation (where pyruvate accepts electrons from NADH directly and becomes lactate), alcoholic fermentation (where pyruvate is first decarboxylated to acetaldehyde which then accepts electrons from NADH to become ethanol) and others (which are much more obscure). So technically, human cells are able to carry out lactic acid fermentation. Liver cells also have the enzyme alcohol dehydrogenase (responsible for ethanol formation in yeast and other fungi), but we use it in the reverse direction so to speak to get rid of any alcohol which we consume by converting it to pyruvate.
Plants however, can carry out alcoholic fermatation. They don't normally do it, because plants are usually in contact with oxygen. However, if you flood the root of a plant for about a week the cells are starved of oxygen, and because of this they will start carrying out alcoholic fermentation to survive.

-Andrei

very true
that is what my bio textbook says.
just to complete the last part
in alcoholic pathway ethanol forms a waste while the lactate formed in the lactate pathway can be broken down further. that is what leads to the oxygen debt

found here,
http://www.biology-online.org/biolog...bout16671.html

and,


Alcoholic Fermentation In Plants

By the following, which we find in the London Gardener's Chronicle, it will be seen that the discovery is somewhat akin to those of Prof. Burrill and others in this country:
"When plants are deprived of oxygen gas it appears that alcohol is formed in all their tissues without the aid of any ferment. If a vegetable cell containing sugar be cut off from its supply of oxygen - be suffocated, in fact - the sugar it contains becomes broken up or changed into carbonic acid, alcohol, and other products. Moreover, the various alcoholic ferments only produce their effects under the same conditions. Alcoholic fermentation, then, depends solely on the suffocation of a living cell containing sugar. Starting from these ascertained facts, M. Van Tieghem, in a recent number of the Annales Agronomiques, alludes to a peculiar disease in apple trees due to a suffocation of the roots, followed by the production of alcohol in their tissues. On microscopic examination the tissues were found healthy, except the medullary rays, the cells of which, instead of containing starch or sugar, contained brown oily globules, the residue left after the formation of the alcohol, which latter is diffused throughout the root, tinging the cells of a characteristic brown color, and giving rise to an easily detected alcoholic odor.
Judging from these appearances what was the nature of the disease, M. Van Tieghem made inquiries as to the character of the soil, and from this, as well as the fact that the season had been extremely wet, his diagnosis was confirmed, and he in consequence prescribed efficient drainage as the remedy for the disease, and with good effect.

found here,
http://chestofbooks.com/gardening-ho...In-Plants.html
.

 

[RM3]

I'll share a simple truth with you all, I have spent over 8 years doing research and experiments. I have written 2 books on the subject of growin MJ. Pretty much what I tell everyone is based in actual science/botany.

And I grow some of the most potent MJ in the world and have no problem puttin my gear up against all comers and you can cry BS to that statement but over 40 growers have sampled my gear and posted smoke reports to that effect

check page 2 of the are they done yet link in my sig

 

[churchhaze]

Fermentation is strictly defined as any way of anaerobically degrade pyruvic acid and recycle NAD+ to keep glycolysis going. You can then categorize this process as lactic acid fermentation (where pyruvate accepts electrons from NADH directly and becomes lactate), alcoholic fermentation (where pyruvate is first decarboxylated to acetaldehyde which then accepts electrons from NADH to become ethanol) and others (which are much more obscure). So technically, human cells are able to carry out lactic acid fermentation. Liver cells also have the enzyme alcohol dehydrogenase (responsible for ethanol formation in yeast and other fungi), but we use it in the reverse direction so to speak to get rid of any alcohol which we consume by converting it to pyruvate.
Plants however, can carry out alcoholic fermatation. They don't normally do it, because plants are usually in contact with oxygen. However, if you flood the root of a plant for about a week the cells are starved of oxygen, and because of this they will start carrying out alcoholic fermentation to survive.

-Andrei

very true
that is what my bio textbook says.
just to complete the last part
in alcoholic pathway ethanol forms a waste while the lactate formed in the lactate pathway can be broken down further. that is what leads to the oxygen debt

found here,
http://www.biology-online.org/biolog...bout16671.html

and,


Alcoholic Fermentation In Plants

By the following, which we find in the London Gardener's Chronicle, it will be seen that the discovery is somewhat akin to those of Prof. Burrill and others in this country:
"When plants are deprived of oxygen gas it appears that alcohol is formed in all their tissues without the aid of any ferment. If a vegetable cell containing sugar be cut off from its supply of oxygen - be suffocated, in fact - the sugar it contains becomes broken up or changed into carbonic acid, alcohol, and other products. Moreover, the various alcoholic ferments only produce their effects under the same conditions. Alcoholic fermentation, then, depends solely on the suffocation of a living cell containing sugar. Starting from these ascertained facts, M. Van Tieghem, in a recent number of the Annales Agronomiques, alludes to a peculiar disease in apple trees due to a suffocation of the roots, followed by the production of alcohol in their tissues. On microscopic examination the tissues were found healthy, except the medullary rays, the cells of which, instead of containing starch or sugar, contained brown oily globules, the residue left after the formation of the alcohol, which latter is diffused throughout the root, tinging the cells of a characteristic brown color, and giving rise to an easily detected alcoholic odor.
Judging from these appearances what was the nature of the disease, M. Van Tieghem made inquiries as to the character of the soil, and from this, as well as the fact that the season had been extremely wet, his diagnosis was confirmed, and he in consequence prescribed efficient drainage as the remedy for the disease, and with good effect.

found here,
http://chestofbooks.com/gardening-ho...In-Plants.html
.
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Let me share a little bit of science with you called aerobic respiration. Plant tissues that are not cut off from oxygen will use that oxygen to break down sugars and then release the carbon as CO2. Reducing sugars and starches is key to a good dry/cure.

I thought people realized a long time ago that boiling their roots is an old hippie myth.

 

[churchhaze]

I'll share a simple truth with you all, I have spent over 8 years doing research and experiments. I have written 2 books on the subject of growin MJ. Pretty much what I tell everyone is based in actual science/botany.

And I grow some of the most potent MJ in the world and have no problem puttin my gear up against all comers and you can cry BS to that statement but over 40 growers have sampled my gear and posted smoke reports to that effect

check page 2 of the are they done yet link in my sig

Does it say anywhere in your book how HPS yields much better than T5? Have you ever considered that you don't have enough credibility for anyone to take any of your books seriously? I think your guides and books are unethical and misleading noobs.

 

[churchhaze]

Or how you recommend feeding way too much sulfur when it's only needed at 30-60ppm. Any more is toxic in the same way too much P is toxic.

Believe me, I know about your books.

 

[RM3]

Fermentation is strictly defined as any way of anaerobically degrade pyruvic acid and recycle NAD+ to keep glycolysis going.

Let me share a little bit of science with you called aerobic respiration.

Thank you for posting the opposite of what I did with regard to actual science

anaerobic = without oxygen, what happens in the jars in between burps

aerobic = with oxygen, what happens when drying

I know a lot of growers that do the boil thing and not a one of em has ever said it didn't work and not a one of em has stopped doin it

 

[RM3]

Does it say anywhere in your book how HPS yields much better than T5? Have you ever considered that you don't have enough credibility for anyone to take any of your books seriously? I think your guides and books are unethical and misleading noobs.

Hell it says it in the thread light linked in my sig, I have never, not once said that T5's out yield HPS lights. My thing has always been quality over quantity and it does say in my book that I prefer a gram of one hitter weed to an ounce of 10 hitter weed

 

[RM3]

Or how you recommend feeding way too much sulfur when it's only needed at 30-60ppm. Any more is toxic in the same way too much P is toxic.

Believe me, I know about your books.

As I already said and will always standby, I will put my buds up against all comers, those smoke reports I mentioned on page 2 of the are they done thread (sig link) are not noobs, nope growers with over 20 years growing experience. I don't just say shit on the web, I invite folks into my home and show em

and please if you would point out any of the many pics I have posted that show a toxic plant as opposed to a tric ridden plant perhaps ???
.

 

[RM3]

Hell here is one in WEEK THREE of flower for ya

and I have no clue what so ever LOL
.

 

[lilroach]

I've known RM3 for several years now. I we have mutual personal friends too. I have personally smoked his weed, and have grown out one of his strains.

With that said, I'm a simple grower. K.I.S.S. is my mantra. I know nothing about the science behind much of what RM3 writes about....honestly too many 10 cent words makes my eyes glaze over. I personally don't do many of the suggestions RM3 recommends.

What I can say without question, based on my own experience with his weed, and the comments from our mutual friends, is that his weed consistently outshines my own and any other grower's product I've consumed.

I'm all about high yield of superior strains. Right now I have Ghost Train Haze, Blue Dream (clone only), Mama Thai, NYCD X OGK, Original Amnesia, Northern Lights #5, Wild Thai X Zulu Skunk, Columbia Gold, and a few others I cannot recall at the moment.....and RM3's stuff is better than any of them.

I sort of hate him for that.

RM3 has done his homework. I honestly think he could grow ditch-weed and still come up with better weed than I can. If you can understand all the technical stuff he writes about, you really will come away with a new way of thinking in regards to how to grow weed.....quality weed.

 

[churchhaze]

Hell here is one in WEEK THREE of flower for ya

and I have no clue what so ever LOL
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It looks like a healthy plant. You're just another weed grower like many other people on this site without their own books. I can think of plenty of people with normal techniques that also have healthy plants. The fact that you think your stuff is 10x better than had it been grown with HPS, lower sulfur, and curing properly (not BOILING) is absurd. I haven't tried your stuff, but there's no way it's 10x better.. Put your head back on. It's expanded so much, that it's taken off.

 

[RM3]

I haven't tried your stuff, but there's no way it's 10x better..

Well if you're ever in Denver ? I got a fresh batch of CTF I would love to smoke with ya LOL

and did ya read @lilroach 's post ^^^ ?

My head is not big, I'm actually a very softspoken humble kinda guy once you get to know me
And I've been growin over 40 years, tis not a hippie myth if you're an actual hippie LOL

Those posted smoke reports are real, I didn't make em up and how many of those growers without books you mentioned invite all comers to compare buds ?

I've smoked the very best of the best and got my boyscout gardening badge in the 60's and I'll stand on my challenge

 

[DCobeen]

Does it say anywhere in your book how HPS yields much better than T5? Have you ever considered that you don't have enough credibility for anyone to take any of your books seriously? I think your guides and books are unethical and misleading noobs.

I will say this. T5's with aquarium bulbs fill in the spectrum's way better than HPS. I have used all the light types and each has an advantage. HPS gives more dense tight buds/ T5's give the highest quality and LED falls in the middle. I have smoked his and will tell you there is no better smoke anywhere I have been and I put 60k miles on my van last year driving all over and smoking with other growers. I bet if you take same amount of plants as RM3 is running and and same watt amount in a years time his yield would be just as much as yours as he has a system. I always love how someone who hasn't tried his way like boiling roots can sit there and say how it doesnt work (idoit/troll). I am sorry if I hurt your feelings but not really. Boiling the root zone speads the process up and if you let them stay in pots for say 4 days then do your normal thing you will see when they hit jars they are 2x more sticky. If you are not an idiot then try it and till then stop trolling. See some share their secrets and maybe that is why you are so trying to convince others his way doesn't work. I borrowed out my T5's and am running Solis Tek matrix 1000 watt lights to compare to my grows of T5's. See when I want to know if something works I test it and then know if it works or not. I also do several grows with diff strains to give a test a fair test. With all this I am challenging you to try it or just another idiot troll you are.

 

[DCobeen]

It looks like a healthy plant. You're just another weed grower like many other people on this site without their own books. I can think of plenty of people with normal techniques that also have healthy plants. The fact that you think your stuff is 10x better than had it been grown with HPS, lower sulfur, and curing properly (not BOILING) is absurd. I haven't tried your stuff, but there's no way it's 10x better.. Put your head back on. It's expanded so much, that it's taken off.

If you smoke his you will see you will still be baked in 6 hrs later and most of the times the high lasts 8 hrs from smoking 1 joint with 3-4 people. Everywhere I go anyone who smokes my personally grown weed tells me mine is the best they have smoked until they smoke @RM3 weed and then they say you came in a close second but his is a bit better and that is good with me as mine is close and still better than 99% of the growers out there. I will see how much quality I loose running 1000 watt hps and then will make a decision to what light source I will use for the next 5 years till LED gets better as we all will be using LED in the future.

 

[RM3]

And please let me extend my apologies to the OP for the thread hyjack, was not my intent !

 

[RM3]

@churchhaze I do what I do for Medical patients looking to grow their own medicine, I am well aware that folks that grow for yield and $$$ will never listen to me

With that said I'll share another quote from one of my books for folks to ponder ?

"I'm pretty sure most folks have probably seen/heard the famous definition of insanity quote ,,,,

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein.

Now how can we apply this to growing our medicine ?

Insanity: Wanting to grow my own medicine to get away from black market weed, following the grow methods of black market growers shared in books and forums to learn how ?

Have you ever had the pleasure of noticing the difference between a mass produced grocery store tomato and one that you grew in your back yard ? That same difference exist with Marijuana, because just like tomatoes it is a plant !"

and with that I'll bow out, keep em green and have a nice day !!!!

 

[WWShadow]

@Buzz Buzzilla I am seeing a ton of "amber" in that second pic, it that primarily from lighting?
Looking closely I can see both translucent and opaque amber trichs mostly on the right half. On the left are more clear with some amber mixed in.
Have you finished with the experiment yet or is this going to take a couple of months?