Best overall breeder... Thoughts ?

Beemo

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No shit, it's called breeding jack ass. Creating F1's and selling them is chucking. F3's are the result of breeding. What are you telling me I don't know? You're high school, and your replies to me and others show it. Go back to where you came from little girl.
ok then... got that out of the way finally...
dont tell me how breeding works then....
 

Yodaweed

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if you think about what i said... its' the same effin thing you just reworded... good one...

keep blabbering your mouth on how many white beans you have, hoping for another free pack... scammer...
Don't attempt to say you said the same thing as me. You said these genetics are chucked, I said they were bred down to the F3 line using elite genetics which is selective breeding....maybe you need to get your eyes checked?
 

shorelineOG

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And chimera the master of breeding has decided he wants to join us pollen chuckers. Welcome to the club, chimera. When will the real "breeders" ever create anything new or good enough to compete? All the "breeders" do is keep inbreeding skunk # 1 , blueberry and nothing new. Even ACE releases F4 and ibl landrace strains which have smaller leaves and weaker branches than my true Mexican/Colombian seed stock. You have strains that are precursor strains that consistently produce great hybrids. The reason I like alien over an ibl afghan Kush is because alien throws great offspring. If you keep in breeding you get small leaves, and weak plants that need staking and pampering. California indicas have large leaves, and are so much better than the eurotrash strains. I also select for hollow stems. How many of the most potent strains have either OG, chemdawg or girl scout cookies or e.c.s.d. Those strains and the crosses they make were all found or created by unknown growers, some were bag seed. Hey, lets enter northern lights into the cannabis cup, yeah right.
I would not say Chimera is a great his prices are nice but look what he had for years a bunch of clone onlys crossed to pollen he got from DJ. Working with hundreds of plants? Bullshit! Now he has some new shit but mostly clone onlys crossed to that mysterious Jack making him a pollen chuckers. But he ain't the worst by far.

For me I would say Mr. Nice and Serious Seeds are about the best breeders many other good ones but overall I'd pick them.
 

Beemo

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Don't attempt to say you said the same thing as me. You said these genetics are chucked, I said they were bred down to the F3 line using elite genetics which is selective breeding....maybe you need to get your eyes checked?

No shit, it's called breeding jack ass. Creating F1's and selling them is chucking. F3's are the result of breeding. What are you telling me I don't know? You're high school, and your replies to me and others show it. Go back to where you came from little girl.
you even liked his comment... enough said...
 

SSHZ

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I have honestly gotten absolutely great results from TGA seeds. I am a legal Canadian patient and grower and I have grown upwards of 100 varieties. TGA subcool's descriptions were very honest for the most part and all of the packs had at least 1 absolutely standout female (most having multiple 'keepers'). I love Pandora's Box, Jillybean, Vortex and Plushberry!! If you like fruit flavors/smells TGA is the top of the mark in my humble opinion.
I have also got great results from DNA Genetics and have come to trust them as my go to for fem seeds.
Chimera and Soma also must get some mention as great breeders with great products however it has been over 5 years since I've grown anything by either.
The problem with TGA is they are ALL about flavor and smell, and not much about potency..........
 

Yodaweed

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the average thc % of JTR is around 18 to 19%. my pheno of JTR will melt your face. with insane mouth coating true pink lemonaid flav to boot. check seedfinder for yourself. & the spacedawg cut i had. deadly. lethal. tasty. & great yield.
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I'm gonna be running a pack of Chernobyl this summer in an outdoor greenhouse, I hope I can control her height I am already a bit worried and its snowing here :dunce::cuss::evil::oops:bongsmilie:bigjoint:
 

shorelineOG

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That's because sweet kills potency. Subcool has started working with potent stuff like the OG strains, the he crosses it with space queen or jillybean and you weaken the OG. My customers don't like sativa because most sativa don't pack a punch like the original road kill skunks that became rare after the introduction of the fruity strains. Tangie will test a lot higher than bubba kush and this is very misleading... unless you smoke them and the Bubba is hands down more potent... just not on paper.
The problem with TGA is they are ALL about flavor and smell, and not much about potency..........[/QUOTE
 

mucha_mota

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you run it dont run it. all gud. potency is perspective. lab tests are numbers. i dont think sweet kills potency. sweet is not recessive. potency is on the recessive side of things. for the pheno hunter the two ideas are part of the larger quest of a grail. & on some we'll all agree. classic cuts for example. for sure my jtr pheno is fire. the grower in me loves her. so easy. & every client raves. my hash is like wow. and my jars sad when she's not around. to solve this conundrum i took more cuts. consequently, i saved separate all my gsc x nookies trim & froze it fresh. cant wait to see if the hash tastes like ?
 

shorelineOG

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I think Chernobyl is one of his better ones. I smoked some that turned my fingers black with resin halfway down the joint. I love subcool and his strains are colorful and different with lots of vigor. A lot of his strains are stretchy and unruly with weak branches. He has a lot of strains and isn't afraid to try new combinations, and uses open source testing and sharing of information along with accurate descriptions. I have listed a handful of strains that I work with and there are very very few strains I consider potent enough to cross with. The best thing about Colorado is I can sample a gram of any strain I am considering before I waste my time growing it.
Chernobyl tastes amazing. Just like those old school lime popsicles you could buy in the corner store growing up.

Ive never felt like my TGA strains were not potent.
 

natro.hydro

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What's sad is that honestly the last true bred strain I can think of is DJ shorts blueberry. Consistent every time, not much of variation at all. A true bred line. Takes forever to do, so we have a bunch of growers with fire cuts crossing them with whatever males they have around slanging beans f1 beans as strains with crazy variation so everyone thinks that pheno hunting is a thing with strains. And the thing is, it's not. F1s are messy/lazy crosses and do not constitute new strains. But that's what we get, we pay for them so...


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Jaws just finished working banana kush to f10 and is releasing them now so maybe check that out.
 

kmog33

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Jaws just finished working banana kush to f10 and is releasing them now so maybe check that out.
There are a bunch of others, it just happens to be the only I could think of of the top of my head at the time lol. It's also very well known and documented. I grew a bunch of banana og, not really a fan of the banana smell/taste.


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kmog33

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That's because sweet kills potency. Subcool has started working with potent stuff like the OG strains, the he crosses it with space queen or jillybean and you weaken the OG. My customers don't like sativa because most sativa don't pack a punch like the original road kill skunks that became rare after the introduction of the fruity strains. Tangie will test a lot higher than bubba kush and this is very misleading... unless you smoke them and the Bubba is hands down more potent... just not on paper.
Tangie and bubba are also sativa and indica respectively so the thc content doesn't really tell the whole story. Or am I off on genealogy?


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natro.hydro

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There are a bunch of others, it just happens to be the only I could think of of the top of my head at the time lol. It's also very well known and documented. I grew a bunch of banana og, not really a fan of the banana smell/taste.


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I feel ya, not a big fan of banana smells in my smoke. Always comes out tasting like the banana flavored candy runs and I hate those damn things lol.
Yeah I agree
 

kmog33

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I feel ya, not a big fan of banana smells in my smoke. Always comes out tasting like the banana flavored candy runs and I hate those damn things lol.
Yeah I agree
I think it's funny the misunderstanding/quarreling on this thread is mostly opinion based. The topic was thoughts on breeders/their methods and it turned into a poly hybrid vs ibl debate, lol. I may have started it accidentally just by pointing out their is a difference between breeding out a strain, and breeding f1s/naming them lol. Both play an important part in the genetic pool we all like to work with. Mutants and poly hybrids are key parts to making the newest/dankest ibls.


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kmog33

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in order to find/make nevilles wreck... it was chucked... pheno hunted... and they found a winner.... and so they kept it... and worked it.....
not that hard to understand....
Found a winner... Then stabilized it...


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