Noob Magic

Kingrow1

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I really miss those times when i first started growing, someone says bannana skins and bang your robbing bannanas from Asda because supposedly they grow bigger plants, someone else says milk on your soil and im eating dry cornflakes for breakfast every day of the week.

Now its all technical stuff like lumens, ppm, ph and a load of other boring shit that repeats every single grow.

How i wish i could loose my memory in a car crash or brick to the head so i could do it all over again. Its like an aboriginal dreamtime where anything and everything is possible, once i poured half a litre of maxicrop liquid seaweed over a seedling because i heard that was good, frigging wasnt but i was full of that 'What If...?' stuff that makes you do silly shit.

All i have left now is the noob threads i vicariously relive my early days through again and again. What a sense of wonderment you guys have, that first step into uncharted territory on the maiden voyage of the good ship mahijuwana.

Anyway i miss the good ole days...!
 

Budley Doright

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My very first grow I put a smelt (little sardine like fish) in the hole with the seed like the Indians and corn lol. Not a great thing to do with raccoons around lol. The new tecniques are way more productive and in my opinion easier if not taken to the extreme.
 

BangPaf

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Now its all technical stuff like lumens, ppm, ph and a load of other boring shit that repeats every single grow.
Ever thought of growing something else than cannabis?

I got some Nepeta Cataria (catnip) sprouting right now, because I'd like my cats to get high also lol.

I had hot peppers in the fridge last week. I bought them about two years ago :roll:. So when I decided that it was time to trash them, I took a peek and they looked completely dehydrated. I threw them in wet paper towels. Here's a pic when I last checked them less than an hour ago.
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Kingrow1

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Ever thought of growing something else than cannabis?

I got some Nepeta Cataria (catnip) sprouting right now, because I'd like my cats to get high also lol.

I had hot peppers in the fridge last week. I bought them about two years ago :roll:. So when I decided that it was time to trash them, I took a peek and they looked completely dehydrated. I threw them in wet paper towels. Here's a pic when I last checked them less than an hour ago.
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I grow peppers, tomatos, lettuce and one or two other plants. I have always found that peppers and tomatos are so similar to growing weed that in my down time i use these to practice.

Peppers and tomatos also get purple stems like mj if you screw them up.

Marijuwana is not that special a plant in terms of growing, its fruit certainly is magical though.

I advise all new growers to constantly grow any plants as well as mj just for the experience and practice. There are some dwarf bush tomato plants that only grow 12" that i particuarlly enjoy growing like the sweet and neat pictured below (kind of like the LOWRYDER of the tomato world lol)

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NrwgrowerCAN

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I was talking to a friend of mine today, she was given a single seedling that had just sprouted as well as some "growing" gear....I put that in quotations because it is all absolutely uselss stuff (halogen flood light, miricale grow soil, and stuff like that)

She was telling me how the guy that gave it to her told her to water it every day, and to keep the light only a few inches away but to start with just a regular light bulb. Then another guy told her to water it once a week by only spraying it with water, and to blow weed smoke on it because it will use it as nutrients lol.

All the time I am keeping my mouth shut, because she doesn't know I have started growing. But at the end she asked me how I would grow if I was her, so I gave her a little info.

This is the poor little thing she's trying to grow, I feel bad for it
 

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BangPaf

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Peppers and tomatos also get purple stems like mj if you screw them up.
Lol, ok, I kinda get purple stems almost everytime, although intensity will vary. After some research and asking around, I'm still puzzled. I like to think it's because of high temperature differential with lights on/off, as I can't identify other symptoms.

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Connoisseurus Rex

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I really miss those times when i first started growing, someone says bannana skins and bang your robbing bannanas from Asda because supposedly they grow bigger plants, someone else says milk on your soil and im eating dry cornflakes for breakfast every day of the week.

Now its all technical stuff like lumens, ppm, ph and a load of other boring shit that repeats every single grow.

How i wish i could loose my memory in a car crash or brick to the head so i could do it all over again. Its like an aboriginal dreamtime where anything and everything is possible, once i poured half a litre of maxicrop liquid seaweed over a seedling because i heard that was good, frigging wasnt but i was full of that 'What If...?' stuff that makes you do silly shit.

All i have left now is the noob threads i vicariously relive my early days through again and again. What a sense of wonderment you guys have, that first step into uncharted territory on the maiden voyage of the good ship mahijuwana.

Anyway i miss the good ole days...!
Experimentation doesn't have to stop, just as if you were a greenhorn again. Plenty of things to fuck around with. Temp, nutrition, lighting, techniques... All tools of the trade. The only difference is your growing style.

Not everyone grows the same. Some like organics, others synthetics. Some like soil, others hydro. Some supercrop, others lst.

It all boils down to your style of growing. Do what's proven to work is a sure fire way to a boring, but successful, grow and harvest.

When you step out of that comfort zone, when you remove the buffer of boring... Things become exciting again.

Try growing in 50F if you're bored, or create a new technique of training. When you look only in terms of the outcome, the final goal... You overlook the fun of the grow.

As long as you don't have patients that rely on you and you can still harvest your own, there's no harm in some experimentation.
 

Kingrow1

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I was talking to a friend of mine today, she was given a single seedling that had just sprouted as well as some "growing" gear....I put that in quotations because it is all absolutely uselss stuff (halogen flood light, miricale grow soil, and stuff like that)

She was telling me how the guy that gave it to her told her to water it every day, and to keep the light only a few inches away but to start with just a regular light bulb. Then another guy told her to water it once a week by only spraying it with water, and to blow weed smoke on it because it will use it as nutrients lol.

All the time I am keeping my mouth shut, because she doesn't know I have started growing. But at the end she asked me how I would grow if I was her, so I gave her a little info.

This is the poor little thing she's trying to grow, I feel bad for it
Takes ages for tom and pepper seeds to sprout and they have a slow seedling stage but when they get going they grow very fast. There is a great forum just like rollitup over at a site called 'TheHotPepper' and as always the site called 'GardenWeb' is an absolute wealth of knowledge for just about every plant in the world and both these sites have some great members and grow advice for her.

That bulb looks suspect but one single T8 cheapo type flourescent with a VERY gentle breeze and she'll be away.

I find a few sites very usefull which are non Mj but still use all the weed gear like 600watt hps, biobizz, tents fans etc etc. Basically if your a non marijuana indoor plant grower your doing exactly what were doing, having the same online conversations, fights, posting pic etc just with peppers or toms or orchids and some of their sites rival the popularity of Rollitup.

She will love them....
 

NrwgrowerCAN

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Takes ages for tom and pepper seeds to sprout and they have a slow seedling stage but when they get going they grow very fast. There is a great forum just like rollitup over at a site called 'TheHotPepper' and as always the site called 'GardenWeb' is an absolute wealth of knowledge for just about every plant in the world and both these sites have some great members and grow advice for her.

That bulb looks suspect but one single T8 cheapo type flourescent with a VERY gentle breeze and she'll be away.

I find a few sites very usefull which are non Mj but still use all the weed gear like 600watt hps, biobizz, tents fans etc etc. Basically if your a non marijuana indoor plant grower your doing exactly what were doing, having the same online conversations, fights, posting pic etc just with peppers or toms or orchids and some of their sites rival the popularity of Rollitup.

She will love them....
I have the stuff here to build her a small spacebucket type build that I'm going to give her with a fresh seedling once I get my new tent in the next week or 2. Let her get a real chance at growing and show her some of the scientific stuff about growing, instead of what some of the pot heads that have never actually grown, are telling her.
 

Kingrow1

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Lol, ok, I kinda get purple stems almost everytime, although intensity will vary. After some research and asking around, I'm still puzzled. I like to think it's because of high temperature differential with lights on/off, as I can't identify other symptoms.

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You wont find much on it and of course what is around on the subject leaves everryone puzzled. Its like the freaking 64 gazillion dollar question which i as many others have debated heatedly for quite a long time and there are a lot who are not willing to be open to the subject citeing either genetics, cold, overwatering or phosphorous.

If you take any of my advice your a FOOL i tell ya and i cant offer any but merely touch on the topic of 'Purple on a grern plant'.

1.) Purple is anthrocyanin which i think is a flavanoid or somthing like that. It produces energy the plant can use from light but it is no where near as efficient as chlorophyll (the reason plants are green) so is not desirable for growth generally.

2.) Because it has light absorbing properties (in the green and blue wavelengths i think) it can be usefull to the plant when there is too much light, chillipepper growers refer to it as 'having a sun tan' as the anthocyanin can absorb the extra light thus taking some of the workload of the chlorophyl (that green stuff again) hence by protecting it. Every chloroplast in the chlorophyll gets damaged eventually from light photons and the plant has a very good repair system for that, the purple anthocyanin gives the plant some breathing space to get on with repairs (which even on a healthy plant happen all the time, the 'PS II system if memory serves me right).

3.) Stems, petioles, veins and roots are non carbohydrate producing areas, any kind of nutrient deficiency, too much light (Photoinhibition), coldness, nutrient toxicity etc etc could cause the plant to quickly colour these areas purple. The reason being that anthrocyanin is an antioxidant (Thinks they are still debating this one in the plant sciency laboritories around the world at the moment but...) these areas not being carbohydrate producing areas can produce a lot of free radicles or oxygen (bit complex) so the anthocyanin scavenges up these toxic particles and elements thus saving the day for the plant as it nay wants that shit in its system.

4.) At some point your going to realise purple is different for different situation. Henceforth the leaf has a few different purple patches or A.) That purple shit on top of the leaves. B.)That really annoying purple crap underneath the leaves. C.) C is not an obvious one but its the very dark colour of leaves because anthrocyanin can make a leaf look darker with no purple because there is an abundance of chlorophyll which hides the purple colour but the both together make a dark shade of green.

The purple on top of the leaves is very often Phosphorus deficiency or a nutrient/system related to Phosphorous. The reason it shows on the upper part of the leaf is because the mesophyll (not the spongy mesophyll below the mesophyll, although similar) have a lot to do with phosphate and hence any shortage and its anthrocyanin to the rescue to slow down photosynthesis or scavenge bad stuff or what ever their needed for. So thats one type of purple but under the leaf purple presents in different situations (possibly some of the same as the upper leaf purple, who knows?). The thing with the under leaf purp is thats in the spongy mesophyll area (not to be confused with the mesophyll layer above it). This is the underside area where theres air spaces so the plant can absorb Co2 for oxygen, any kind of excessive fast growth of the plant like what you see in seedlings placed too close too that damn light or flourescent t5!!!!! which with too much light forces the chlorophyll to work faster and harder and in turn the only system that cant keep up or the first system that fails is its ability to suck up enough Co2 (Carbon Dioxide which it splits for its source of carbon, you might have heard that most living organisms are carbon based). So angain the plant sends its little purple headed warriors to sort shit out or try and do their damage control stuff.

So theres a distinct difference between plant area and could all happen to you at once, your fucking up! Some purple is livable and most growers will get it in some form or another and still the plant will grow and yeild big no problems but in excess its a sign of underlying problems.

5.) Cold and genetics kind of go hand in hand, the plants responce to cold is linked to stems petioles and non carbohydrate producing areas but also its lack of absorbing Phosphorus from the roots due to its imobility or some crap i need to look up but cannot be bothered to (Sorry....).

Heres the crux about the genetics part because weed grown in colder latitudes has always expressed purple more than warmer climates (Generally). Its more in their genes/genetics, i mean all weed plants have the ability to produce anthrocyanin just some more than others ( We all decended from one African but although were all basically the same as well as atanomically some who lived in different climate lost or gained cetain abilities and we evolved Chinese, European, Middle eastern etc etc). So this ability is able to breed on in some strains meaning the colder it is the more purple it displays and the bettet equipped it is to deal with the cold.

As said before anthocyanin is inefficient compared to green chlorophyl and purely because we have a simple liking (nothing else) of weed with purple colours.

Obviously weed makes flowers and can genetically have purple buds but this isnt the leaves and stem its just the flowers or bud. Check out 'Purple Bud' by Sensi Seeds which shows just a purple bud on a pretty much 100% green plant with no purple stems, leaves or petioles.

Genetics is probably the most misunderstood part when it comes to purple, no seed breder produced genetically purple seedlings igts just a sign of somthing else, in the proper enviroment all seedlings and pla.ts should be green. So many get it we dont pay it much attention and just palm it off, some problems can take years to iron out it easy to ignore them if the plant still grows. I see a lot of Nitroven Toxicity pictures that look similar to your picture but in reality this aint the plant hospital and if youve read the above youll realise its way past my pay grade to give advice on topics that have confused me since i first put seed to soil years ago.

I dont think anything of your leaf or have any advice except it dosent look too bad, keep up the good work :-)
 

Kingrow1

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I have the stuff here to build her a small spacebucket type build that I'm going to give her with a fresh seedling once I get my new tent in the next week or 2. Let her get a real chance at growing and show her some of the scientific stuff about growing, instead of what some of the pot heads that have never actually grown, are telling her.
Dude even after growing i still have little idea as to how its done, im just sort of coming back to weed cultivation after a break. Popping a seed and growing a plant is easy but the fine tuning and being good at it are hard and dont come easy. Ive got a long way to go yet.

These are some Tomatos that germinated the other day, these more than weed goes purple sooo easily under the lights, ive got them 16" from a 18watt T8 flourescent and they are showing a lot more green than when i had them closer. They have germinated in 0.5ec soil, my promix has no nutrients just what ferts i add (Chem liquid ferts/ ocassionally organic).

I have a very limited camera so pics arent the best at the mo, i still have a lot of room for improvement in the next batch and then i can make comparisons as to more or less ferts or futher/closer to the light etc etc. Anyway they arent the worst....









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Kingrow1

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I highly appreciate your lightest touch on the topic !

Also, some advise to "stay hungry, stay foolish". I'm going to listen to them. ;)
Quite often its the simplest little thing with plants, the leaf looks cool plus nice and big. Focus on what youve done right so far.

You got a thread or journal link i can read preferably with pictures? I read so much and never comment as its always great to see what other growers are doing. Shoot me down as i have nothing except the threads and pics i post in this forum.
 

BangPaf

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Quite often its the simplest little thing with plants, the leaf looks cool plus nice and big. Focus on what youve done right so far.

You got a thread or journal link i can read preferably with pictures? I read so much and never comment as its always great to see what other growers are doing. Shoot me down as i have nothing except the threads and pics i post in this forum.
I thought about it for a while, so I just started one.

Feel free to drop in anytime! ---> http://rollitup.org/t/mostly-organic-grow-1st-journal.898783/
 
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