Test Yourself

[londonfog]

No, I am an escaped slave living in a swamp and encouraging other slaves to stop picking cotton and piss in the masters mint julep.

you are a slave that only thinks he is free. Nothing worst than a slave thinking they are free. Now you have made your children slaves and they in turn made their children slaves. The circle of slavery just keeps going. Now get ready for the raping.

 

[Rob Roy]

you are a slave that only thinks he is free. Nothing worst than a slave thinking they are free. Now you have made your children slaves and they in turn made their children slaves. The circle of slavery just keeps going. Now get ready for the raping.

My mind is free.

 

[londonfog]

My mind is free.


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You are a slave in denial

 

[Fogdog]

Universal health care is not a single payer system. I believe, as Trump does, that a different system needs to be in place for people who can't afford the treatment they need to stay alive. When we stop free care for illegals, there will be more money to help our own

I can't figure out what Trump is offering but you are all in for it whatever it is. Is he going to force all employers to cover workers and then set up a medicaid/medicare type system for everybody else? Will he use means testing for those who are independent contractors and apply for the federal system? Is he going to tell hospitals to turn away people that show up without proof of citizenship? Are you just as vapid as Trump?

 

[MuyLocoNC]

I can't figure out what Trump is offering but you are all in for it whatever it is. Is he going to force all employers to cover workers and then set up a medicaid/medicare type system for everybody else? Will he use means testing for those who are independent contractors and apply for the federal system? Is he going to tell hospitals to turn away people that show up without proof of citizenship? Are you just as vapid as Trump?

Just a thought. If illegal immigrants were turned away from hospitals, couldn't receive any aid or assistance and couldn't find ANY employment (including under the table), would we have an illegal immigration problem for very long? Would they come from any country at all?

 

[Fogdog]

derp derp derp. You brought up European health care systems. I was just responding to your post. Are you about to fly off the handle again?

Diggler had a good question though. Don't you think that there is rationing health care going on here? If so, is the US method of rationing by ability to pay more effective than UK's rationing by effectiveness?

 

[Fogdog]

Just a thought. If illegal immigrants were turned away from hospitals, couldn't receive any aid or assistance and couldn't find ANY employment (including under the table), would we have an illegal immigration problem for very long? Would they come from any country at all?

People don't come to this country for free healthcare. I can only imagine the hue and cry from wing nuts when they are told they must carry a citizenship card or they will be turned away from the hospital. Or are you thinking that only dark skinned people will need to carry them?

 

[MuyLocoNC]

People don't come to this country for free healthcare. I can only imagine the hue and cry from wing nuts when they are told they must carry a citizenship card or they will be turned away from the hospital. Or are you thinking that only dark skinned people will need to carry them?

I know you really, really want to make this a race issue, but try to stay on track. Answer the question.

If illegal immigrants were turned away from hospitals, couldn't receive any aid or assistance and couldn't find ANY employment (including under the table), would we have an illegal immigration problem for very long? Would they come from any country at all?

Do they come because we're creating an environment that is inhospitable and impossible to provide for themselves and their families or because we do the opposite?

 

[Fogdog]

I know you really, really want to make this a race issue, but try to stay on track. Answer the question.

If illegal immigrants were turned away from hospitals, couldn't receive any aid or assistance and couldn't find ANY employment (including under the table), would we have an illegal immigration problem for very long? Would they come from any country at all?

Do they come because we're creating an environment that is inhospitable and impossible to provide for themselves and their families or because we do the opposite?

Your question pertains to an imaginary world where illegal immigrants can't find work. Nothing done to date has stopped illegals from finding work, so extreme measures would be needed to seal off access of illegal immigrants to these jobs. Hence my question regarding citizenship cards and probably a registry, probably a lot more raids, audits and government presence to check on worker status.

My jab at you over the race issue is because I don't think you've thought this through and realized that you and your family would need to start carrying proof of citizenship in order to work or participate in Trump's unknown healthcare distribution system.

I don't think this would go over well with anybody regardless of party affiliation. Its a non starter and some sort of punitive fantasy of yours.

That said, yes, if life were made impossible in the US for illegal immigrants then they wouldn't live here.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

Your question pertains to an imaginary world where illegal immigrants can't find work. Nothing done to date has stopped illegals from finding work, so extreme measures would be needed to seal off access of illegal immigrants to these jobs. Hence my question regarding citizenship cards and probably a registry, probably a lot more raids, audits and government presence to check on worker status.

My jab at you over the race issue is because I don't think you've thought this through and realized that you and your family would need to start carrying proof of citizenship in order to work or participate in Trump's unknown healthcare distribution system.

I don't think this would go over well with anybody regardless of party affiliation. Its a non starter and some sort of punitive fantasy of yours.

That said, yes, if life were made impossible in the US for illegal immigrants then they wouldn't live here.

Stopping illegal immigrants from securing ANY employment or residence is so easy, it proves the politicians have no interest in enforcing immigration laws at all. Easy to pass, easy to enforce and wouldn't cost the taxpayers one red cent.

I wouldn't need to carry proof of citizenship, because there would be so few illegal immigrants in this country, it wouldn't be necessary.

 

[Fogdog]

Stopping illegal immigrants from securing ANY employment or residence is so easy, it proves the politicians have no interest in enforcing immigration laws at all. Easy to pass, easy to enforce and wouldn't cost the taxpayers one red cent.

I wouldn't need to carry proof of citizenship, because there would be so few illegal immigrants in this country, it wouldn't be necessary.

Can you explain to me what Trump is proposing to stop immigrants from securing any employment or residence that would be so easy and accomplished without stepping up enforcement? If Trump doesn't have a plan, then what are you proposing?

 

[Fogdog]

I don't understand how some of you people can actually get such high correspondence with any one candidate or party. Don't you have any thoughts of your own? Or do you just believe what you're told to believe?

Carlie was my highest one at 77%.
Clinton came it at 52%

I'm all over the map.

The idea of just being told what to believe as an explanation of high correlation to a candidate or party is funny. So, if I accidentally switch on Rush while driving around town, I'm then going to think wingnut thoughts, then when I hear a speech by Bernie, I'll reverse myself, then when I read something from FOX news, I'll switch back.

But then again, Fiorina actually does seem like that kind of person. And you align well with her. So....

 

[MuyLocoNC]

Can you explain to me what Trump is proposing to stop immigrants from securing any employment or residence that would be so easy and accomplished without stepping up enforcement? If Trump doesn't have a plan, then what are you proposing?

In so far as I know, he hasn't outlined a plan.

It's so simple it's typically dismissed by folks that don't want illegal aliens to self deport without any logical rebuttal. Because there isn't one.

Everything is already in place for enforcement and it wouldn't take more than a month or two of enforcement before every employer and landlord would be policing themselves out of sheer necessity.

Automatic $100,000 fine for intentional/unintentional employment or rental/sale of housing to illegal immigrants.

Guaranteed $50,000 whistleblower reward to any individual who turns in the employer or landlord/property owner. Here's the "holy shit" inclusion that makes the whole thing work. The any individual also includes the very illegal immigrant that was employed or offered housing. Sure they may be deported, but with a $50,000 parting gift.

Think about it for a minute or two. Under those conditions, what individual or business would hire someone who could turn them in the same day and cost them $100,000 for each incident? What apartment manager would rent to an illegal knowing they have a bounty on their backs worth $50,000 to anyone who finds out?

The answer to both is no one.

The amount of penalty/reward is a matter of debate, as long as it is substantial at both ends.

The difference in penalty/reward easily pays for the ancillary costs.

It is infallible. Of course, sanctuary cities/states would have to stop issuing ID cards/drivers licenses to illegals, which should have never begun in the first place.

 

[Fogdog]

In so far as I know, he hasn't outlined a plan.

It's so simple it's typically dismissed by folks that don't want illegal aliens to self deport without any logical rebuttal. Because there isn't one.

Everything is already in place for enforcement and it wouldn't take more than a month or two of enforcement before every employer and landlord would be policing themselves out of sheer necessity.

Automatic $100,000 fine for intentional/unintentional employment or rental/sale of housing to illegal immigrants.

Guaranteed $50,000 whistleblower reward to any individual who turns in the employer or landlord/property owner. Here's the "holy shit" inclusion that makes the whole thing work. The any individual also includes the very illegal immigrant that was employed or offered housing. Sure they may be deported, but with a $50,000 parting gift.

Think about it for a minute or two. Under those conditions, what individual or business would hire someone who could turn them in the same day and cost them $100,000 for each incident? What apartment manager would rent to an illegal knowing they have a bounty on their backs worth $50,000 to anyone who finds out?

The answer to both is no one.

The amount of penalty/reward is a matter of debate, as long as it is substantial at both ends.

The difference in penalty/reward easily pays for the ancillary costs.

It is infallible. Of course, sanctuary cities/states would have to stop issuing ID cards/drivers licenses to illegals, which should have never begun in the first place.

Infallible?

So, somebody shows up at your door, telling you that illegals have been reported living in your home. Tells you that you and others living in your home must prove legal residency. What happens next? How do you prove you and yours are there legally and how does the government verify this? For the sake of this discussion, lets say you have a 10 year old son, wife and a cousin temporarily living with you.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

Infallible?

So, somebody shows up at your door, telling you that illegals have been reported living in your home. Tells you that you and others living in your home must prove you legal residency. What happens next? How do you prove you and yours are there legally and how does the government verify this? For the sake of this discussion, lets say you have a 10 year old son, wife and a cousin temporarily living with you.

I think you missed the point or you're trapped and trying to find any out you can. Why would they be asking the illegal alien renter to provide proof of citizenship, when the admitted illegal alien renter is the whistleblower turning in the landlord for the reward?

I only recently added the residence angle. It was originally just aimed at employers, who are already required to verify legal status.

 

[Fogdog]

I think you missed the point or you're trapped and trying to find any out you can. Why would they be asking the illegal alien renter to provide proof of citizenship, when the admitted illegal alien renter is the whistleblower turning in the landlord for the reward?

I only recently added the residence angle. It was originally just aimed at employers, who are already required to verify legal status.

I don't think you've thought this would affect you. In your country of snitches, anybody can report anybody. A neighbor saw your cousin and knew he only started living with you a few weeks ago. For the chance at $50k, your neighbor or probably several neighbors on speculation reported you. What happens next?

 

[pnwmystery]

I know you really, really want to make this a race issue, but try to stay on track. Answer the question.

If illegal immigrants were turned away from hospitals, couldn't receive any aid or assistance and couldn't find ANY employment (including under the table), would we have an illegal immigration problem for very long? Would they come from any country at all?

Do they come because we're creating an environment that is inhospitable and impossible to provide for themselves and their families or because we do the opposite?

In my opinion I think they'd still come. Getting rid of employment especially under the table I feel like would be so incredibly hard. There are countries too where illegal immigrants can't find any sort of job and they still stay there, or at least use it as a place to go to other places. Just my opinion/thought on that.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

I don't think you've thought this would affect you. In your country of snitches, anybody can report anybody. a neighbor saw your cousin and knew he only started living with you a few weeks age. For the chance at $50k, your neighbor or probably several neighbors on speculation reported you. What happens next?

You sure seem to be focusing on the residence aspect and avoiding the employer aspect. But, I'll play along.

You seem to be missing the point that the whistleblowers would ALWAYS be the illegal aliens turning in the employer/landlord at the first opportunity, who else would know sooner than them?

If you insist of focusing on the possibility that the illegal alien who dupes the landlord into renting him/her an apartment for the reward, doesn't immediately turn them in, fine. Add a $50,000 false accusation penalty. You're on a tangent to try to complicate what is inherently simple.

If you hire an illegal, that same illegal turns you in for the reward.

And did you actually ask how the government is going to find out if you are or aren't a citizen? How about the same fucking background check we go through for a firearm purchase?

 

[MuyLocoNC]

In my opinion I think they'd still come. Getting rid of employment especially under the table I feel like would be so incredibly hard. There are countries too where illegal immigrants can't find any sort of job and they still stay there, or at least use it as a place to go to other places. Just my opinion/thought on that.

If the illegal can turn in the employer and receive a reward of $50,000, what employers is going to take the chance that the $60 he's gonna pay the illegal for the day is more valuable? It would make the risk of hiring an illegal so dramatically high, only an imbecile would risk it.

 

[pnwmystery]

If the illegal can turn in the employer and receive a reward of $50,000, what employers is going to take the chance that the $60 he's gonna pay the illegal for the day is more valuable? It would make the risk of hiring an illegal so dramatically high, only an imbecile would risk it.

Interesting thought, but do you think an illegal would really go to the government and be like "I'm an illegal, this guy is hiring me, I'll take the 50,000 and get deported?" I'm a little on the fence on that one.