Have any of you DIY COB Growers finished a crop under 1000W DE HPS? - POLL

Have any of you DIY COB Growers have actually finished a crop under 1000W DE HPS?

  • Yes

    Votes: 32 29.1%
  • No

    Votes: 78 70.9%

  • Total voters
    110

cdgmoney250

Well-Known Member
AGAIN, you are comparing a solar powered tank to my Ferrari. I just want a plug and play light that does what you guys claim, without taking up another room to do it. and doesn't look like a fire hazard. so NO, mission NOt accomplished
Have you ever seen what electronics look like on the inside of their pretty outer cover??

So if my light fixture was UL/ETL listed, had a pretty box wrapping around it and just had a removable ballast chord and a power knob (dimmer), [and I ask again], would there be a market for that kind of fixture?

Also, why are you so concerned with the size of the fixture? If you are a "REAL" grower, wouldn't you have ample space above the canopy to do whatever it is that you would be doing above the canopy?
 

chuck estevez

Well-Known Member
Have you ever seen what electronics look like on the inside of their pretty outer cover??

So if my light fixture was UL/ETL listed, had a pretty box wrapping around it and just had a removable ballast chord and a power knob (dimmer), [and I ask again], would there be a market for that kind of fixture?

Also, why are you so concerned with the size of the fixture? If you are a "REAL" grower, wouldn't you have ample space above the canopy to do whatever it is that you would be doing above the canopy?
I don't want to have to hang 25 sungrips to cover the same space 2 will
 

cdgmoney250

Well-Known Member
I don't want to have to hang 25 sungrips to cover the same space 2 will
It would just be 4 as opposed to 2.
But hey, we can agree to disagree right?

there just aren't enough pluses to LED. sorry, you can't convince me otherwise just yet. But at least you didn't try and tell me how superior led bud is. Credit for that.
I won't say that at all.
I will say it makes growing good buds easy, due to fullness of the spectrum.
But is by no means a secret sauce for dankness.
 

puffenuff

Well-Known Member
You guys crack me up. Can't even agree to disagree...Don't believe everything you see on RIU. Especially when it comes to some random stoner's claim on yields. HPS still works great. High powered LEDs works great too (notice I didn't say COBs?). I don't know if it's just a sense of pride or flat out arrogance, but some people just don't know when to let something go. Who the fuck cares what the next guy does or thinks. Get over yourselves.
 

Yodaweed

Well-Known Member
As the title suggests - have any of you DIY COB growers actually finished a crop under 1000W DE HPS?
Something of high quality such as a Gavita or Sun Systems AC/DE Hood with Digital ballast.
None of them have run DE lights, they just act like they know everything. Bunch of know it alls on the LED section of these forums, close minded and ignorant.
 

Yodaweed

Well-Known Member
Funny enough the reverse seems to be true... ever actually ran a cob panel?
Yes I have, I have one of the original COB lights that uses the older cree series COBs, works great, coverage is minimal tho and cannot compete coverage wise with my HID lights. Currently growing DNA Genetic Golden Lemons in a water farm under it and 2x Area 51 LED's. Usually get between half a pound and a pound in that room, its a 4x4, with 3 LEDs each run about 160 watts so 160+160+160= 480 watts, room runs EXTREMELY cold, currently 65F in there with all 3 lights on full blast.
 

Sativied

Well-Known Member
It took 8 years for Gavitas DE to really take hold.
I can only assume you offer crap if you have to slander gavita with nonsense like pretending gavitas need plasmas and the bullshit above.

""""""
My friend Jorge asked me to jump in here to answer a few questions. Gavita has been active in the horticultural market as one of the market leaders for More than 30 years now. We developed and introduced the electronic ballast into the horticultural market in 2003. We also introduced Miro aluminum for reflectors, the 600W HPS lamp, metal ballast housings, the internal reflector lamp etc etc. Gavita Holland started in 2010 as a spin-off company to adapt the highly efficient professional concepts to the hobby market and to make new technology available there. Mostly the same people that equip 100,000 lamp greenhouse projects and professional climate rooms now share their professional experience in this market. So Gavita is not the average company that sources Chinese ballast and puts their own name on it, we have a long history in professional lighting development.

The Philips double ended lamps have been on the (professional) market for about 10 years now. During these years they optimized the lamp and electronic ballast that was developed for it. The ballast is already in its third generation, the last lamp improvement was about 2 years ago, changing to the "plus" type, outputting 2100 umol s-1. Philips is currently the market leader in HID lamps with a market share world wide of about 60%. Philips is by far market leader in the horticultural market in Europe where we do not grow a crop that offers you a ROI of 3 months of course, and efficiency is key to a profitable grow. So growers choose the most efficient systems on e market.

Three years ago we introduced this lamp to the hobby market, equipped with a ballast that was suitable for 240V instead of 400V. Until that time it was only available for 400V professional 3 phase systems. The combination of this lamp and the very efficient open reflector created a bit of a hype around this lamp and it has proved to be a great success. It was awarded the European Product Award, the HT stash Award etc. Breeders like DNA genetics, Greenhouse, Serious Seeds, Sannies Seeds and many others use or switched to Gavita systems. The reason? More light for your buck and better results.

There is not lamp on this market that has a higher output or efficiency. The light maintenance is better than 96% per year of use, which means that after a year of use it outputs still more light than any other new lamp in this market. In our light lab, where we have a calibrated Ulbricht sphere to our disposal (the ONLY way to test light output of a lamp!) we tested the most popular lamps on the market. The runner-up was Hortilux with less than 1800 umol, so about 15% less output using the same power. Together with the highly efficient HR96 reflector we offer (96% efficiency) that is up to 40 (!) % more light compared to an air cooled reflector. So it is not strange that growers report 15-50% more yield using the Gavita Pro 1000. ROI is a no-brainier of course.
""""" (posted by whazzup in 2013, who basically introduced DE and gavitas to cannabis growers, was admin at the oldest and largest dutch grow forum).


All the dudes hyping DE as well... How tall are your ceilings?
Not one of those dudes, DE doesn't require hyping, but, I can tell you it's commonly used by thousands of growers in 200-210cm high tents. 7 feet. I posted examples a week or two ago. They don't pull 1.7 though...

And I should say 'was' commonly used as they are no longer available in NL for cannabis growers. Gavita is so 2015... Dimlux is the hot shit... No pun intended. http://dimlux.nl (
 

Yodaweed

Well-Known Member
I can only assume you offer crap if you have to slander gavita with nonsense like pretending gavitas need plasmas and the bullshit above.

""""""
My friend Jorge asked me to jump in here to answer a few questions. Gavita has been active in the horticultural market as one of the market leaders for More than 30 years now. We developed and introduced the electronic ballast into the horticultural market in 2003. We also introduced Miro aluminum for reflectors, the 600W HPS lamp, metal ballast housings, the internal reflector lamp etc etc. Gavita Holland started in 2010 as a spin-off company to adapt the highly efficient professional concepts to the hobby market and to make new technology available there. Mostly the same people that equip 100,000 lamp greenhouse projects and professional climate rooms now share their professional experience in this market. So Gavita is not the average company that sources Chinese ballast and puts their own name on it, we have a long history in professional lighting development.

The Philips double ended lamps have been on the (professional) market for about 10 years now. During these years they optimized the lamp and electronic ballast that was developed for it. The ballast is already in its third generation, the last lamp improvement was about 2 years ago, changing to the "plus" type, outputting 2100 umol s-1. Philips is currently the market leader in HID lamps with a market share world wide of about 60%. Philips is by far market leader in the horticultural market in Europe where we do not grow a crop that offers you a ROI of 3 months of course, and efficiency is key to a profitable grow. So growers choose the most efficient systems on e market.

Three years ago we introduced this lamp to the hobby market, equipped with a ballast that was suitable for 240V instead of 400V. Until that time it was only available for 400V professional 3 phase systems. The combination of this lamp and the very efficient open reflector created a bit of a hype around this lamp and it has proved to be a great success. It was awarded the European Product Award, the HT stash Award etc. Breeders like DNA genetics, Greenhouse, Serious Seeds, Sannies Seeds and many others use or switched to Gavita systems. The reason? More light for your buck and better results.

There is not lamp on this market that has a higher output or efficiency. The light maintenance is better than 96% per year of use, which means that after a year of use it outputs still more light than any other new lamp in this market. In our light lab, where we have a calibrated Ulbricht sphere to our disposal (the ONLY way to test light output of a lamp!) we tested the most popular lamps on the market. The runner-up was Hortilux with less than 1800 umol, so about 15% less output using the same power. Together with the highly efficient HR96 reflector we offer (96% efficiency) that is up to 40 (!) % more light compared to an air cooled reflector. So it is not strange that growers report 15-50% more yield using the Gavita Pro 1000. ROI is a no-brainier of course.
""""" (posted by whazzup in 2013, who basically introduced DE and gavitas to cannabis growers, was admin at the oldest and largest dutch grow forum).


Not one of those dudes, DE doesn't require hyping, but, I can tell you it's commonly used by thousands of growers in 200-210cm high tents. 7 feet. I posted examples a week or two ago. They don't pull 1.7 though...

And I should say 'was' commonly used as they are no longer available in NL for cannabis growers. Gavita is so 2015... Dimlux is the hot shit... No pun intended. http://dimlux.nl (
That dimlux controller is dope as shit.
 

CaliWorthington

Well-Known Member
I own some COBs but am still interested in DE HPS, so not everyone here is closed minded. The only thing keeping me from trying DE is the height restriction. Sativied says thousands of growers are using DE in 7' tents, while patrickkawi37 says he gets better results from SE even with 9' ceilings. So there is no consensus on the height thing. Makes me want to buy a pair of AC/DE rigs just to see for myself. If the light is too intense I'm sure they'll be easy to sell anyway.
 

BOBBY_G

Well-Known Member
I own some COBs but am still interested in DE HPS, so not everyone here is closed minded. The only thing keeping me from trying DE is the height restriction. Sativied says thousands of growers are using DE in 7' tents, while patrickkawi37 says he gets better results from SE even with 9' ceilings. So there is no consensus on the height thing. Makes me want to buy a pair of AC/DE rigs just to see for myself. If the light is too intense I'm sure they'll be easy to sell anyway.
i have two ac/des in a 5x9 gorilla right now at 36" from canopy. its been cold last few days (30s at night, 50s in day). tent has not gone over 90 so ive been running them at 1100. if it gets too hot out ill dial them down to 850

loving the solistek matrix ballasts with these

ACDE crushes the gavita indoors in every respect. better coverage/footprint, air coolable, remote ballast...

not even a fair fight, look at that footprint at 36"

http://growershouse.com/images/DE_TEST_INFOGRAPHIC.pdf

i was over HPS but i bought "the best" (solis/ushio/acde) to have as a reference tent.

in general in the last few years my results from (good) blurples are better than anything id ever done in almost 2 decades of hps. i guess i dont get the guys that have to rally for their setups. esp the guy above that is the gavita fanboy. yes they work and are cheap, which is why they lead the market.

def get what you can out of your hps because there wil come a time (soon) when an entire cob setup is cheaper than what you spend on bulbs in 2 years

you haters should build the shittiest cob rig you can. take a citled with the cheapest driver you can find and run it out to 4.6A at well under a dollar a watt, and watch it beat hps.
 

BOBBY_G

Well-Known Member
so you would cram 3 units into 1 huge box? I am a REAL world grower looking to take my gavita and put a unit in that covers the same footprint but grows more weed for the same or less power and less heat, is that possible?
you should read up a little. cobs arent constrained by fixtures. youd be better served by 25 spread out at 1 foot intervals. overall wattage would be same or less than your hps.

not trying to sell anything. read the numerous grow journals of cob users who formerly used hps and/or blurple. none are going back. just because commercial growers arent on the bleeding edge of technology doesnt make the tech any less viable. id rather forge the way than wait for whatever becomes 'popular' to guide my decision
 

BOBBY_G

Well-Known Member
here is EXACTLY my point. He is SO heavily invested, his opinion has become one sided. had he bought DE's, he would be singing their praises. He will deny it and scream a bunch of shit about led's in 2 years,yada,yada,yada, but it IS because he is deep in it now.
lolyou. dude put his setup up last week there arent any praises to sing yet. your jumping mat must be tired.

do you even know what he was talking about? the already most efficient chips on the market just got almost 10% more efficient (same as every year). DE tech is the same as it was 5 years ago. when he feels like it he will retain the value of his heatsinks and drivers and spend $1/watt or less to upgrade just the chips and recoup that cost in mere months assuming he throws the old chips away. (mere days if he sells the chips off with 95% of their life left in them for say a 20% discount)
 
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