Have any of you DIY COB Growers finished a crop under 1000W DE HPS? - POLL

Have any of you DIY COB Growers have actually finished a crop under 1000W DE HPS?

  • Yes

    Votes: 32 29.1%
  • No

    Votes: 78 70.9%

  • Total voters
    110

Yodaweed

Well-Known Member
He's right, I got a great example , I grew clones of pineapple funk 2 years ago, i gave a clone to a friend who was a first time grower. His at the end was totally green and ugly, mine was super frosty and purple with an amazing hash smell. It has a lot to do with the environment and the growers skill and the light as well, everything factors into genotype expression.
 

Abiqua

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He's right, I got a great example , I grew clones of pineapple funk 2 years ago, i gave a clone to a friend who was a first time grower. His at the end was totally green and ugly, mine was super frosty and purple with an amazing hash smell. It has a lot to do with the environment and the growers skill and the light as well, everything factors into genotype expression.
of course it does, but that has nothing to do with the skill of grower or the the environment, you still are not changing the genome, right?

so if it is in the genome [My argument].......wouldn't it be moot epigenitically? perhaps, I don't discount at least the slight chance.
 

Yodaweed

Well-Known Member
of course it does, but that has nothing to do with the skill of grower or the the environment, you still are not changing the genome, right?

so if it is in the genome [My argument].......wouldn't it be moot epigenitically? perhaps, I don't discount at least the slight chance.
It won't express its full potential with a poor growing environment.
 

Abiqua

Well-Known Member
Ok another argument, I want a light source producing the best terp profile not the most Vegetative matter. [My argument}
 

Yodaweed

Well-Known Member
Ok another argument, I want a light source producing the best terp profile not the most Vegetative matter. [My argument}
The more red in the spectrum the more the plant will stretch, making less leaf and longer, bigger buds. That's why HPS is the preferred spectrum for HID users.
 

2ANONYMOUS

Well-Known Member
Truth is there are many lights etc many have not used be it DE superblue's etc they have grown T5 then probably 600's or 1k and saw nice results
And people are to cheap to spend big money on bulbs shit i was paying 230 bucks for hordi super blue MH / HPS or dual arc i guess and man for some that never tried it you be the judge less then 14 day vegged clones and my clones are 2 " when i clone by 4th - 5th week there fucking trees lets talk about tight internodes lol or lateral branching or even growth rates gallery_11738_4816_20547.jpg
 

Sativied

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please...sources? sources? sources? I am a little child names Sativex and won't even read it without a source. let alone a competent argument.....Oh were you actually alluding to a point or were you just watching your dog shit on the lawn as you typed :)

hyperbole hyperbole hyperbole, now I feel warm inside too
If you really had a desire to get additional sources on how wrong you are with that comment there should be enough in that post that makes me spoonfeeding you no more productive than that post has been.

As usual I point out you make a bogus claim with nothing whatsoever to back it up, zero arguments, not even invalid ones, yet you dare to ask me to backup my post with "links". It's just comical. Again, just because you post bullshit you can't back up and clearly don't understand or ever researched properly yourself, doesn't automatically mean others discuss led lighting like that too.
 

Rahz

Well-Known Member
One PAR watt provides for about 4 grams. Reflector losses must be factored in. Other factors between broad spectrum light sources are minor.

A broad spectrum light source operating at 50% efficiency such as CXB3590 at 2.1 amps (just under the nominal current) can be expected to provide about 2 GPW. A less efficient light source, such as 42% with reflector losses of 10% can be expected to provide about 1.5 GPW.

Simple math, and it doesn't need to be any more complicated than that for basic comparisons.
 

ThaiBaby1

Well-Known Member
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That is one part but man factors play a crucial role like saying a plant that is one week in flower that is yellowing off will produce the same in yield and terpine production then a healthy plant same strain going into 6th week with little yellowing occuring

truth is This technology, in my view, is best suited to small growers. By the time you get up to around 2000w of lighting, you are looking at a damn serious investment that is not going to pay you back anytime soon if you really calculate the savings be it power or what ever

If its taking 800 watts of cobs to actually produce what a 1 k Hps let alone 3 pounds of what is becoming the norm for DE units
And if also its taking 2 - `1 ratio of 315 CMH two of em to compete with HPS do the math 800 actual watts of cobs and 730 watts of CMH to get same results which is more efficient in production
Cause that is the end game really Cause if your worried about your power bill with what 400 - 800 watts a person should take up another hobby Cause your a tight wad seriously anyone worried about efficiency using anything under 2000 watts really is a meathead when there concern ??? is all about efficiency
Please stop being a Fan boy

Now i am not going to pick on anyone but anyone an easily go on tube and see what these grows are doing is it something to really write home about ??? i mean sure throw bunch of plants in a room under a cob mind i personally think 200 watt cob unit would be like watching fucking paint dry as per plant growth lol
and most people going with obb if you notice have strains that are not big yielders
i mean
That is one of the reasons i started a Diy thread and will with out a doubt do a side by side same strain purple kush 4 plant under what 800 worth of Cobs vegged 5 weeks and flip from clone and if i get 1200 grams from that 800 meaning 1.5 gpw that is normal Mogul HPS yield not even close to 1400 grams DRy grams from a DE unit

people got to realize even if its written on paper one way is with out a doubt better its what happens at the end Science is not always right if you think of it that way
I don't care what the power bill is, but the police might!
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
Ttystikk:"My bill is heroic. The police came, counted my plants, checked my paperwork- and left."

Honestly came from power bill? Thats heavy shit.
No, they came on an odor complaint, but apparently the power company had been 'complaining' about my usage as well. Water, sewer and power are all City of Ft Collins utilities, so things are perhaps a little more incestuous here than elsewhere.

Whatever, I answered the complaint, handled it and they've left me alone ever since.
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
yes ive seen that "study" before, its a little ambitious
I've been told by several reputable sources to expect rather little stretch under COB LED, for plants to be throwing pom poms around day 7 and to be finished a week sooner than the same plant under HID.
 

Sativied

Well-Known Member
Simple math, and it doesn't need to be any more complicated than that for basic comparisons.
With emphasis on 'basic'. And in a fictional situation where nothing else than par/w eff of the light source matters. For a more realistic comparisson however it's not that simple and more to it then running cobs soft to reduce power usage and increase par/w efficiency.

@Abiqua, open your mouth:

"Light affects the characteristics of plant growth and development at virtually every stage of the plant life cycle and influences both morphogenic features and intracellular metabolism. In many cases, the physiological responses triggered by photoperception are mediated by changes in gene expression and are accomplished by the coordinate activation or suppression of specific batteries of light-regulated genes (Tobin and Silverthorne, 1985;Gilmartin et al., 1990).

Light has been shown to activate the expression of gene families that encode proteins involved in photosynthesis, nitrogen metabolism, and flavonoid biosynthesis. [mere examples] "

Read:
https://books.google.nl/books?id=q2bvAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA669&lpg=PA669
E.g. "Light quality is an important factor for essential oil production."
"However, isoprenoid production is induced by UV radiation, but not always supplementary UV-B leads to increased isoprenoid production (Dolzhenko et al. 2010). Maffei and Scannerini (2000) reported ..."

Read about isoprenoid, mep pathway (from which cannabinoids are derived as well), combine with keywords like oils, or specific terpenes.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4740396/
Cannabis Sativa, plant of thousand and one molecules

And not just terpenes as has been known for a while... see:
EFFECT OF LIGHT QUALITY ON CANNABINOID CONTENT OF CANNABIS SATIVA L. (CANNABACEAE)

Or:

"Various studies have indicated the positive effect of cytokinin on terpene production." cytokinin "regulates gene expression". "Cytokinin takes part in light response modulation and affects the circadian rhythm regulation and phytochrome functions (Chen et al. 2006, Naito et al. 2007, Yakir et al. 2007)."

"Environmental conditions can influence essential oil biosynthesis, since it may alter hormonal balance. Thus, phytohormones may act as signals that can, directly or indirectly, induce secondary metabolites biosynthesis (Prins et al. 2010). Light availability and quality can be positively associated with essential oil production, as observed with Cymbopogon flexuosus, which showed an increase of approximately 30% in essential oil biosynthesis when plants were treated with red light (Sangwan et al. 2001). "
http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S2197-00252013000200008

"UV-B modulates the interplay between terpenoids and flavonoidsin peppermint"
Modulation of secondary metabolites by UV-B involves changes in gene expression.
http://www.academia.edu/1175424/UV-B_modulates_the_interplay_between_terpenoids_and_flavonoids_in_peppermint_Mentha_x_piperita_L._

Just examples of the huge amount of research available that shows how much the expression of the relevant genes are affected by the "quantity and quality" (that was a quote already...) of light. There is a lot more fruitful potential there than just beating hps in terms of par watt efficiency.
 

BOBBY_G

Well-Known Member
we'll see. im not as amazed with the CMH as i thought i would be but maybe im just running too hard. (4) 315s in a 5x5 is throwing down 1000-1300 ppfd at 20-24" hot but im pegged right at 1200-1500 CO2. the shorter ones seem to be going tougher than the taller ones though the taller ones exhibit no signs of stress (burning/curling) at all. the blurple tent (uniform 700-900 ppfd from 2015 CLW solarflares)is beating cmh tent right now, but they also vegged a little bit longer, i lost a lot of height with the vertical cmh hoods and had to keep em sort
 

a mongo frog

Well-Known Member
we'll see. im not as amazed with the CMH as i thought i would be but maybe im just running too hard. (4) 315s in a 5x5 is throwing down 1000-1300 ppfd at 20-24" hot but im pegged right at 1200-1500 CO2. the shorter ones seem to be going tougher than the taller ones though the taller ones exhibit no signs of stress (burning/curling) at all. the blurple tent (uniform 700-900 ppfd from 2015 CLW solarflares)is beating cmh tent right now, but they also vegged a little bit longer, i lost a lot of height with the vertical cmh hoods and had to keep em sort
That sounds pretty exciting.
 

BOBBY_G

Well-Known Member
those new solarflares/solarstorms are the bomb. 28% brighter than the last years model. that switch to 3W osrams was clutch (in fairness they pull more power so are only 18% more efficient per watt but the par W/$ took a big jump). i have a array of the "220" models spaced out (170W each, ~75-80 par W each) and the coverage is phenomenal
 
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