The Official Canna Coco & Nutrients Thread

[smokadepep]

Hey I have been doing some math with that information that you gave me on Canna products and breaking it down in to ppm per ml. I just have one question in regards to the information.
Canna coco ab combined should give you a ratio of 5-4-3, but in the information posted there is a higher concentration of K than of P. Wouldn't it be the other way around?

 

[Skunk Baxter]

OK, Greenthumbs, I got some better lighting. The first one is still that one unique pheno, with the pure white pistils. In the lower left corner, you can see a side bud from a different plant, and see the difference in color. That top bud is about 9 inches now, 5 and 1/2 weeks into flower. I think I like this one; have 4 clones growing already.

The other 2 pics show the canopy a little more clearly, the way I have the sativas bent over and mixed in with the indicas. I arranged them very carefully so that none of the sativas shades a shorter indica, and the 3rd pic shows a little better how they're mixed in. Some of the sativa phenos are over 2 feet taller than some of the indicas. I just was not prepared for how potent these Canna nutes are; if I'd blindly followed their feeding schedule, it'd be Jack and the Beanstalk all over again.

The top cola of the tied-down one in the center, that's sort of angling up from lower left to upper right, is about17 inches, and the one just next to it (below it in the picture) is about 15. I was hoping they'd be a little fatter by 5 1/2 weeks, but I think they'll still bulk up OK. They've really started to fill out the last week or so. Some of what look like small top buds in front are actually side buds of tied-down sativas.

 

[smokadepep]

Hey I have been doing some math with that information that you gave me on Canna products and breaking it down in to ppm per ml. I just have one question in regards to the information.
Canna coco ab combined should give you a ratio of 5-4-3, but in the information posted there is a higher concentration of K than of P. Wouldn't it be the other way around?

Never mind, I did further research and found out they use P2O5 which breaks down to a smaller percentage of phosphorus. It's been some awesome information. I also found this chart which is a similar breakdown, via habeeb from Icmag.

 

[GreenThumbsMcgee]

Never mind, I did further research and found out they use P2O5 which breaks down to a smaller percentage of phosphorus. It's been some awesome information. I also found this chart which is a similar breakdown, via habeeb from Icmag.

cool, cause i wasnt sure how to answer that one.

 

[GreenThumbsMcgee]

OK, Greenthumbs, I got some better lighting. The first one is still that one unique pheno, with the pure white pistils. In the lower left corner, you can see a side bud from a different plant, and see the difference in color. That top bud is about 9 inches now, 5 and 1/2 weeks into flower. I think I like this one; have 4 clones growing already.

The other 2 pics show the canopy a little more clearly, the way I have the sativas bent over and mixed in with the indicas. I arranged them very carefully so that none of the sativas shades a shorter indica, and the 3rd pic shows a little better how they're mixed in. Some of the sativa phenos are over 2 feet taller than some of the indicas. I just was not prepared for how potent these Canna nutes are; if I'd blindly followed their feeding schedule, it'd be Jack and the Beanstalk all over again.

The top cola of the tied-down one in the center, that's sort of angling up from lower left to upper right, is about17 inches, and the one just next to it (below it in the picture) is about 15. I was hoping they'd be a little fatter by 5 1/2 weeks, but I think they'll still bulk up OK. They've really started to fill out the last week or so. Some of what look like small top buds in front are actually side buds of tied-down sativas.

MUCH better on the pics. to be completely honest, at first it just looked like an average grow. i now see you know your shit. i fucking love canna dude. i remember when i was using that go box shit, and kept reading ppls posts saying how they were getting such success, using canna of coarse....
i just love how they maintain there green color up until the very end using these nutes. in the past my plants would be HAGGARD as fuck by the time harvest day came. i took a bunch of pics of my harvest today., choped my GTH#1 and i am soooo impressed. have to post a couple pics. oh, i got a gram of finger hash too!

 

[GreenThumbsMcgee]

Hello fellow Canna users. I grew this plant (ghost train haze #1) with canna coco a+b from start to finish. Chopped it yesterday at Day 85. It was a long running strain. I read all over on various posts that growers were cutting them around day 70-74, and practically EVERY one of them said they should had let it go another two weeks. There are some pheno's of this strain that finish early, but I wasnt so lucky. It was WELL worth the wait though...heres some pics showing it right before chopping, a close up of trichs, and an after shot of it hung in my tent.

 

[Skunk Baxter]

Nice looking buds; that is a pretty long finish, though. I don't know this strain. Sativa?

Oh, and thanks for what you said about me knowing my shit. I'll just say I know a lot more about coco and Canna Coco nutes now than I did a couple of months ago. I've been growing outdoors since they invented marijuana, and in rockwool and hydroton off and on for about 15 years, but switching to coco made me realize that a lot of things I thought I knew I don't really know after all - you've got to unlearn a lot of old things, and learn some new ones.

But damn, coco sure is forgiving. If you know how to grow, whenever something unexpected happens you can usually figure it out pretty quickly and the plants bounce right back.

This has been such a pain in the ass, growing out 52 plants from seed in coco with Canna nutes - I've got about 3 basic pheno types, 1 of them very sativa dominant and 2 of them strongly indica, and the difference in how the indicas and the sativas respond to the Canna is night and day. The 2 indica phenos are both pretty well behaved; I've been able to keep them at about 3 1/2 to 4 feet in height, but the sativas shot up to over 6 feet. It's a pretty weird-looking SOG, with bushy indica top buds poking up between a web of 15- to 18-inch long sativa colas tied down horizontally.

This was primarily a pheno hunt, though, and in that sense it's a huge success. Out of the 26 females, I've cut multiple clones from the 7 plants that looked the most promising at flip. I pretty much know which one is going to end up being the primary mother, but what I'll do is take 5 or 6 plants from each of the best 3 or 4 clones for the second grow. Then I'll decide for sure which line to keep.

You never know; one of them might come on really strong the last couple of weeks, or maybe the one that I like the most right now turns out to be the least potent, or have some other sort of problem. Might as well cover my ass. By the time I smoke any of it, the plants will have been harvested, and it's too late to clone a different one then.

But at least I know now how Canna nutes work, and the next grow will be all indica phenos, so it'll be a lot easier to maintain a uniform canopy for a proper SOG. I'm calling it now, a gram per watt minimum on the second grow when I get these damned sativas culled out. I figure I've got about 3 1/2 weeks to go on this run, and then we really get down to business and see what we have to work with. If this strain meets expectations, I plan on making it my main product for the indefinite future. And once I get settled into the second grow, I've got some purple kush and G13-haze seeds ready to try, too.

 

[GreenThumbsMcgee]

nice man, ya them sativas a stretchy sometimes! the ghost train haze was no exception, it shot up from 18 inches to 4 feet in about two weeks time....resulted in some weak branching i had to stake to keep supported, but it was a good grow. i am getting ready to get the grape god going, i have it coming up in my little clone box, its about at 2 weeks...about to move it over tomorrow...its an indica as well so i am looking forward to a bushier fuller plant then that stretchy bastard i just dealt with. i think for the grows we are doing, indicas will surely be more suitable.
happy growing dude...keep me in the loop! \

 

[Abucks]

Canna has my vote and I've only been using it for a month! Hands down the most user friendly coco I've used. This whole lineup is incredibly easy and amazingly productive compared to all the other systems I've run in the last 17 years.

 

[Abucks]

Hello all,

My first post here

I want to use Canna Coco A/B for my first grow and I'm just wondering...

A: 4-0-1
B: 1-2-2 (Australia for some reason bans high P fertilisers)
Cannazym: 0-2-1

If I follow instructions and mix A+B+cannazym in equal parts, I will end up with 5-4-4. I'm sure this will be fine in veg, but what about flowering? How am I going to prevent N toxicity? And P deficiency? I'm thinking to, instead of following instructions directly, add one part extra B in flower. Does this make sense or am I setting myself up for micro issues?

I asked Cana this same question, and their reply blew me away. They said with their coco and nuts all you have to do is keep the feed water ph between 5.5 and 6.2. The coco does the rest. I have only been using their lineup for a month, and fallowing their advice, am seeing insane results with it. See my grow journal for pics and details.

 

[JayThe HydroGuy]

Im growing organic but want to have a plant in coco just to know how go grow in coco. I was debating on buying cana coco A/B to start with, what else should I grab? Read good things about nitrozyme.

I also read that it can be easier to germ in soil, then go to coco. Whats a good ratio for coco and aeration?

Nitrozime is awesome as a foliar spray. Ive hit my ladies up to 10 times a day (this is rare but if I have a lot to do in the garden Ill spray anytime they are dry) without any burn issues. You see the best results if you spray, turn your lights and fans off for an hour and let them soak it in. No issue with lights on though. Hit them from clones/seedlings til 3rd-4th week of flower. Try with one or two plants to see side by side results with and without.

 

[JayThe HydroGuy]

1 week out from pulling my first canna coco run. Two 2x4 flood tables. Both Canna nutes, one side 600w Sunmaster Full Nova MH with 270w blue LED, other side 600w hortilux HPS and 270w red led. Ran slightly lower than directed and still got some nute burn. next run doing a side by side with full line vs coco a+b, golden tree and cal mag.

 

[JayThe HydroGuy]

Genetics front to back
Blackberry Kush
Velveeta
Cosmic Strange
Girl Scout Cookies Forum Cut
Bubblegum Kush

 

[JayThe HydroGuy]

Also doing some pheno hunting in Canna Coco. Narrowing down some King Louis the 13th (OG18xTahoe OG)


The biggest King Louis the 13th of the batch, hope shes not a HE lol


The Purple Sherbet looking nice (bottom mid)

 

[JayThe HydroGuy]

I should say Im not using Canna nutes in Veg. Cyco grow A+B, Silica Blast, AN Sensi Cal Mag, and a feed or two with B-52

 

[Skunk Baxter]

Here's an update on some of those pics I posted a couple of weeks ago. We're coming up on the end of Week 7, and I'm still a good week and a half to 2 weeks out. Getting good bud development, but not the trichomes I was hoping for. That vertical one is one of the indica phenos, and the horizontal colas are a couple of the sativas. Those are 15 and 18 inches long, respectively, and the top bud on the vertical one is close to a foot now. I think they're going to be good yielders, but I'm not seeing the frost I've been waiting so long for. And at this stage, I don't think I'm going to. Got a feeling I'm going to be disappointed in the potency of this strain.

I can't blame that on Canna, though. Canna nutes did their job and got me this far, it's the genetics that are letting me down at this point, I'm afraid.

 

[sky rocket]

Here's an update on some of those pics I posted a couple of weeks ago. We're coming up on the end of Week 7, and I'm still a good week and a half to 2 weeks out. Getting good bud development, but not the trichomes I was hoping for. That vertical one is one of the indica phenos, and the horizontal colas are a couple of the sativas. Those are 15 and 18 inches long, respectively, and the top bud on the vertical one is close to a foot now. I think they're going to be good yielders, but I'm not seeing the frost I've been waiting so long for. And at this stage, I don't think I'm going to. Got a feeling I'm going to be disappointed in the potency of this strain.

I can't blame that on Canna, though. Canna nutes did their job and got me this far, it's the genetics that are letting me down at this point, I'm afraid.[/QUOTE

Looking good skunk. What strain is that?

 

[JayThe HydroGuy]

Here's an update on some of those pics I posted a couple of weeks ago. We're coming up on the end of Week 7, and I'm still a good week and a half to 2 weeks out. Getting good bud development, but not the trichomes I was hoping for. That vertical one is one of the indica phenos, and the horizontal colas are a couple of the sativas. Those are 15 and 18 inches long, respectively, and the top bud on the vertical one is close to a foot now. I think they're going to be good yielders, but I'm not seeing the frost I've been waiting so long for. And at this stage, I don't think I'm going to. Got a feeling I'm going to be disappointed in the potency of this strain.

I can't blame that on Canna, though. Canna nutes did their job and got me this far, it's the genetics that are letting me down at this point, I'm afraid.

Hey skunk, high temperature could cause low oil production. It might also just be the genetics. Looks like beefy nug meat though. Roll it in keef and call it a day!

 

[Skunk Baxter]

It's BC Bud Depot's Albino Rhino. I think the yield will generally be good (although I have some awfully small plants mixed in with the monsters, but that's what a pheno hunt is all about). Some of them are very good, healthy, robust plants, very tolerant of adverse conditions (on a pheno hunt, I deliberately push the PPM gradually upwards for a period of time to see which plants show signs of stress first), and I'm still rooting for them to smoke their way into my heart.

 

[Skunk Baxter]

Hey skunk, high temperature could cause low oil production. It might also just be the genetics. Looks like beefy nug meat though. Roll it in keef and call it a day!

My temps have been good (high 70s to around 80 to 82 with lights on), and most other conditions seem to be dialed in pretty well. It's a pheno hunt, and I have 5 distinct phenos, so it's been a challenge to find the "sweet spot" that favors the most plants. Next step is that I have multiple clones of about 8 plants, and I'll do another SOG with anywhere from 3 to 7 of each (divided into two tents; one for the sativa phenos and one for the indicas) and compare them side by side. Then they'll have a fair chance, because with 26 widely varying plants crowded into the same tent, some plants that might had a lot of potential are just not going to hit their mark because your nute mix or feeding schedule or whatever is dialed in for a different pheno.

So we'll see. As I said in another thread, trichome coverage is not always a direct indicator of potency. I may have some pleasant surprises in store for me when it comes time to blaze up.