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Would you consider buying a VERO after reading through some of the posts?

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Baura

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It's 35x45cm(=1x1.5 ft?).

Yesterday I was talking to a friend and i explained the lumen/heat/efficiency(W) on hps vs vero/cxa/cxb....
so he asked me how much would cost to build a 250hps replacement for him. His space might be something in between 2x3 and 3x3.

So like, 3xvero29 3500k @1400ma will replace the 250hps easily? How about 2xVeros ran harder?

He asked me about the $ return... Because he spends like u$25-40 on electricity with the 250hps. Now I will do the math to se what fits in the budget....

He got amazed when I showed some data of photon flux and ppf, and then some grow logs here...


Thanks for the support.
 
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Fouronethree

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J-Icky said:
The solderless option is nice and was what I planned on using at first. But after doing some research I learned the pico ez-mate connectors are only rated for something like 120v and my build was going to be 180v. So for my build I I would have either had to go with 2 drivers or do what I'm gonna do and just solder the wires to the cobs.
I also wouldn't risk running more than what they are rated for because you can risk failure or even worse a fire.
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I'm glad you posted this. I didn't realize that the pico ezmate connectors are rated that low. I have them wired in series with 2 Vero 18s and 2 vero 29s on an hlg 185 1400 and equalling about 140 volts. Looks like the pico connectors are rated at 130? Currently running them at about half power so not too worried but guess I should probably rewire and solder them? Hate to do it bc got them pretty clean and took me a long time to build them but wouldn't wanna risk fire. Any thoughts?
 
frica

frica

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Baura said:
It's 35x45cm(=1x1.5 ft?).
Yesterday I was talking to a friend and i explained the lumen/heat/efficiency(W) on hps vs vero/cxa/cxb....
so he asked me how much would cost to build a 250hps replacement for him. His space might be something in between 2x3 and 3x3.
So like, 3xvero29 3500k @1400ma will replace the 250hps easily? How about 2xVeros ran harder?
He asked me about the $ return... Because he spends like u$25-40 on electricity with the 250hps. Now I will do the math to se what fits in the budget....
He got amazed when I showed some data of photon flux and ppf, and then some grow logs here...
Thanks for the support.
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3 Vero 29 @1.4A could certainly do it.

Also how well does he grow with the HPS?
250 watt hps for a 2x3 area seems pretty underpowered, especially if it's a 3x3.
And low wattage HPS also tend to be rather inefficient, a 250W HPS is a lot less efficient than a 1000watt one, those Veros @ 50 watts are much more efficient and won't have to deal with reflector losses after that too.

Either way with those veros he doesn't have to replace bulbs any more and will save about 100 watts of electricity.
 
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Baura

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Agreed that 250w hps is underpowered, but i think he grows 2 plants(autos) in the space. (he told me he would grow 3 plants if he had more seeds)
So the grow area might be 2x3, but the "plant used space" is for two plants...

As far as i know(and smoked) he plants well(ok) with HPS. Nice buds but i cant tell about grams per watt or any other metrics...
I just know the buds look and taske sweet....


Kingbrite does not have Vero 18...
Correct me if i`m wrong, but i think that due to size, its harder to find a cooler for veros 29, when vero 18 can be cooled by "any" cpu cooler...

Thanks for the support
 
frica

frica

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Baura said:
Agreed that 250w hps is underpowered, but i think he grows 2 plants(autos) in the space. (he told me he would grow 3 plants if he had more seeds)
So the grow area might be 2x3, but the "plant used space" is for two plants...

As far as i know(and smoked) he plants well(ok) with HPS. Nice buds but i cant tell about grams per watt or any other metrics...
I just know the buds look and taske sweet....


Kingbrite does not have Vero 18...
Correct me if i`m wrong, but i think that due to size, its harder to find a cooler for veros 29, when vero 18 can be cooled by "any" cpu cooler...

Thanks for the support
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ARCTIC Alpine 11 Plus CPU Cooler fits the Vero 29
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186070
CPU heatsinks don't go much cheaper and cools cobs great.

If you're going the CPU heatsink route.
 
AquariusPanta

AquariusPanta

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Yes, you can successfully run a Vero 29 on an Arctic Alpine 11 Plus. Keep in mind that if you take this route, you will have to properly position the Vero 29 on the AA11P, as the mounting surface is not as wide as it is long. Remember, it's okay to have some plastic overhanging but you want all of the metal contact surface of the Vero 29 to be hugging the aluminum heat sink for proper thermal stability.

Also, consider removing the pre-existing TIM found on the AA11P, as it's normally not thick enough to play with for our purposes. I've found Arctic MX2 and MX4 to be very user friendly when applying new layers of TIM, with the latter being super easy to spread.
 
Jack Reacher

Jack Reacher

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hillbill said:
50 watts of high quality led or cob sq/ft is way plenty. Right now that's about where i'm at and the plants are being all they can be. Sure don't need more than that! Multiple lights sources are awesome. Lack of shade should tell us something. Love all the angles and light hitting between leaves.
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What are you running for lights now?? I'm still contemplating my 18"x27" area. Thinking 6ea vero 18's on 1 dimmable driver. Veg and flower both so 4000k. Sound reasonable? Or 2ea 3590's ??
 
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Baura

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I know that AA11p is the most used/compatible with vero 29, But it cost as much as 1 vero 18.

If I go vero 18 and run them at typ or hard(1400ma), I'm assuming that any OEM cpu cooler would do the job. Right?(I'm talking about the square heatsinks, not the new round and thin heatsinks)

But in the end, how much of the budget should be spent in cooling?
Vero 29 -> u$30, AA11p -> u$15(in Brazil)

Vero 18 -> u$13, OEM cpu cooler u$5....

Cheers
 
Jack Reacher

Jack Reacher

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Baura said:
I know that AA11p is the most used/compatible with vero 29, But it cost as much as 1 vero 18.

If I go vero 18 and run them at typ or hard(1400ma), I'm assuming that any OEM cpu cooler would do the job. Right?(I'm talking about the square heatsinks, not the new round and thin heatsinks)

But in the end, how much of the budget should be spent in cooling?
Vero 29 -> u$30, AA11p -> u$15(in Brazil)

Vero 18 -> u$13, OEM cpu cooler u$5....

I think you're right. AA11p cools V29 (100w) it should cool 3 V18s (30w ea)
Thinking of a 4" sq alum box tube, 3 ea Vero 18s, 4000K, cpu heatsinks out of various desktop computers mounted inside the tube and to the cobs. Then have a fan blowing from one end of the tube across the heatsinks and out the other end. Duct outside or recirculate heated air. Depending on ambient temps.
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Kevin the Great

Kevin the Great

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Jack Reacher said:
What are you running for lights now?? I'm still contemplating my 18"x27" area. Thinking 6ea vero 18's on 1 dimmable driver. Veg and flower both so 4000k. Sound reasonable? Or 2ea 3590's ??
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I just did a similar space, 20x28. I ran 2 3590s and a Vero 29 at 1400ma. Works great, but I'm still going to put in 4 more Vero 18s at 300ma for sidelighting and to help eliminate shadows. All together around during 52% efficient. 171-172 lumens per watt.
 
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Baura

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REALSTYLES said:
KingBrite has Vero 29 for $26 I think but only Vero 29's
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That's 100% correct, but the vero 29 costing u$26, the drivers to power them(88-100w) cost not less than u$40(can't find any cheap eBay driver that puts out 42v and 2.2a) That's u$66 for 88-100w.

Vero 18 cost u$12, and drivers cost much less(plenty of 35v 1A =u$5 or 35v 1,5A u$9 drivers on eBay)....
 
nevergoodenuf

nevergoodenuf

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@benchfrooser - I don't see any reason to mix spectrums, it isn't like you are using monos. If you like tall stretchy plants, go with 4000k or 3500k, but if you are running bushes 3500k to 3000k. The extra blue in the 4000k may help slow down stretch in so plants.
 
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