how much from a bag of o.f
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superbak3d
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Which is why almost no one carries the label anymore.
You can look up OMRI listed products for gardening, and the list is quite small. And most of what is listed, is outrageously priced.
Beemo
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just because it doesnt say omri, doesnt mean its not organic...
the company just didnt want to go thru that certification process... in the end, it cost more to the consumers...
all you need is common sense... look at ingredient...
thanks to new laws a few yrs ago.. company's has to label if there is sewer sludge in the compost..
Yodaweed
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That's one of the reason's I like to make my own from locally sourced or home made ingredients.
superbak3d
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You've already established and told us you buy only OMRI products.
Now you make your own?
Which is it?
Yodaweed
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Yeah I make my own, I don't have to buy my own products....All the stuff I use to make my own stuff is ORMI or USDA certified, yes there are organic products without certifications, Fox Farm is not one of those ,they sell their dirt in Walmart.
SPLFreak808
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@st0wandgrow gonna repost part of your email reply.
From FOX FARMS,
Organic is defined as “of, relating to, or derived from living matter” i.e. carbon based. The term organic is under great scrutiny due to misuse. For example our Ocean Forest potting soil contains granite dust which is silica based, and although it is completely natural, it is not technically organic. This is why we label our products as Smart Naturals, as we do utilize some mineral salt based fertilizers. I hope this helps. Please do not hesitate to get back to us for any further clarification.
"Smart naturals" granite dust & mineral salts.... FFOF is not TRULY organic but fuck its close enough lol.
From FOX FARMS,
Organic is defined as “of, relating to, or derived from living matter” i.e. carbon based. The term organic is under great scrutiny due to misuse. For example our Ocean Forest potting soil contains granite dust which is silica based, and although it is completely natural, it is not technically organic. This is why we label our products as Smart Naturals, as we do utilize some mineral salt based fertilizers. I hope this helps. Please do not hesitate to get back to us for any further clarification.
"Smart naturals" granite dust & mineral salts.... FFOF is not TRULY organic but fuck its close enough lol.
superbak3d
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People take labeling pretty seriously these days since the whole monsanto/GMO fiasco begun.
Mislabeling or falsely labeling your products is a death sentence.
If anything yoda said was true about FF ingredients, and NOT labeling the ingredients correctly and such. FF would be neck deep in lawsuits and the DFA would shut them down.
Yodaweed
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Salt based fertilizers in their dirt.
st0wandgrow
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Ha! I was just reading this thread.
Yeah, I was in a hydro shop a while back and a Fox Farm rep told me that they use some salts in their Ocean Forest. I mentioned that here, and met some blow back from a few members, so I emailed them. You posted their response above.
Organic or not, I stopped using their soils as I was getting a ton of gnats hitching a ride in to my garden in their bags.
superbak3d
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Yodaweed
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USDA does plants too buddy, you are not too bright are you, it stands for United states department of AGRICULTURE.
superbak3d
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That would be DFA. USDA or the FDA as we call it, is the food and drug administration. The same administration that approved oxy for children under 12 but still reports cannabis has zero medical potential.
The USDA has nothing to do with plant fertilizers
who's the bright one now?
Yodaweed
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Wrong again buddy, USDA = united states department of agriculture, you are a real special breed of human.
www.usda.gov
They are organic certifiers just like ORMI, maybe you should learn something about agriculture , not just about growing weed.
http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdahome?navid=organic-agriculture
Organic Certification Benefits Consumers
USDA has strengthened its oversight of organic products, using methods such as inspections and residue testing to ensure the integrity of organic products from farm to market. We've created a level playing field by developing clear standards, investigating consumer complaints, and taking action against farmers and businesses that violate the law.
USDA Supports Organic Agriculture
In addition to setting the standards for U.S. organic products, USDA supports organic agriculture in all of its agencies. In May 2013, Secretary Vilsack issued new Guidance on Organic Agriculture, Marketing and Industry (PDF, 96KB) directing all USDA agencies to support organic agriculture and markets. USDA offers a wide variety of funding opportunities, including conservation grants, organic crop insurance, and simplified microloans. To learn more about USDA programs and how they support organic agriculture, view the USDA's Organic Resource Guide (PDF, 1.8MB).
Trade partnerships streamline organic exports and imports with other countries, increasing the market share of organic products worldwide while maintaining rigorous production standards. Additionally, foreign products certified to the USDA organic standards can access the U.S. market. USDA also provides current prices for organic apples and other market information, funds research at public and private institutions, and provides practical advice to farmers and ranchers.
Overall, USDA oversees organic farmers and businesses to make sure that organic food is produced with organic methods. Each year, organic farmers update a farm plan and complete an inspection to confirm that their practices match their records. The farmer must correct any issues to continue certification. Organic food processors meet similar requirements.
If you are concerned that an organic product isn't meeting the USDA standards, you can submit a complaint to the USDA. We investigate every complaint we receive, and if we find any problems we take action. Anyone can file a complaint by contacting the USDA.
Who's the dumb ass now? You don't even know about who certifies your own food.
superbak3d
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From the USDA site itself
Are fertilizers and pest control materials eligible for organic certification?
Materials used in organic production must comply with the USDA organic regulations, 7 CFR Part 205. The USDA organic regulations do not require certification of inputs, such as fertilizers, soil amendments, and pest control materials.
See.
You can get an organic certification without having your input material certified.
Just because it has a USDA label doesn't make it "100% organic". It simply means no input material was used that's on their banned substances list.
So once again, your certified labels don't mean shit.
Are fertilizers and pest control materials eligible for organic certification?
Materials used in organic production must comply with the USDA organic regulations, 7 CFR Part 205. The USDA organic regulations do not require certification of inputs, such as fertilizers, soil amendments, and pest control materials.
See.
You can get an organic certification without having your input material certified.
Just because it has a USDA label doesn't make it "100% organic". It simply means no input material was used that's on their banned substances list.
So once again, your certified labels don't mean shit.
Yodaweed
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....you really just cannot let it go, you are using synthetic soil and bottled nutrients, give it a rest bro.
a mongo frog
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No big deal bro. So your using synthetics. Who cares, you probably grow some nice cannabis.
superbak3d
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If you believe Foxfarm to be in violation of the CDFA's regulations, then submit a complaint to them and see what happens.
Nothing will happen because you haven't posted a single shred of evidence to support your claims. It's been nothing hysterical delusions from your end.
Maybe you haven't noticed, but no one here is agreeing with anything you've said. Stop and think why that is.
Nothing will happen because you haven't posted a single shred of evidence to support your claims. It's been nothing hysterical delusions from your end.
Maybe you haven't noticed, but no one here is agreeing with anything you've said. Stop and think why that is.
Yodaweed
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They do not claim to be organic how could I file anything against them...they say natural smart soil what do you not understand why are you fighting the truth so badly dude, its ok to use some synthetics I grow a plant in a hydroponics system each run , even tho the majority of my plants go in the organic soil.
superbak3d
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What? Tired of me proving you wrong at every turn?
Since you love OMRI labels and hate monsanto, maybe you can explain to us why you buy only OMRI certified products despite the fact monsanto lobbied them to lower their quality control standards in order to label their MG line with OMRI certified?
I would think such an anti-monsanto person such as yourself would actually avoid OMRI certified products, knowing the certification process was corrupted by monsanto themselves,