Befuddled by these leaf deformities -- Thoughts?

[ZoBudd]

I've been growing in FFHappy Frog using General Organics Grow, CalMag, Silicon, and some homemade ACTs for 5 years now, but I've never seen this problem.

These are Marionberry clones (oxy-cloner to soil) that were doing just fine in the very same pots a week ago. Everything is in an enclosed closet so I'm fairly certain it not a bug. plus if you can zoom in it's affecting the very, very new growth.

Thanks,

Zo

 

[bict]

Bugs of some sort? Nvm, just read what you said.

 

[Corso312]

Definitely insects.

 

[sunni]

i mean it really really looks like a bug. i wouldnt think anything else could do that

 

[ZoBudd]

I'll take closer pics tomorrow, I really don't think it's a bug. I know!!!! It's crazy. I sound crazy, but really, You'll see!!!

 

[KryptoBud]

in the last pic it looks likes thrip or mite damage. all the little white spots I mean not the holes

 

[Resinhound]

in the last pic it looks likes thrip or mite damage. all the little white spots I mean not the holes

I was thinking the same ...

 

[R1b3n4]

Can you take a picture of the UNDERSIDE of the leaves fairly close up?

 

[KryptoBud]

There's some weird growth on that plant. If you look at the center of 2nd pic at the top. It kind looks like a male pre flower. On the stem right next to that looks like wart. Never seen that before.

 

[Resinhound]

Some of those areas of damage have very jagged edges,necrosis doesnt happen like that,it would be smooth edges...just looks like somethings been chewing on it.

 

[TrimothyLeary]

Gotta agree, looks like somethings eating it. Look under leaves, along the stem, under your pots or other things in the room. If possible, use a green light to check it out during lights out. Some of those bastards only come out at night, and they're already good at blending in with vegetation. I'm thinking caterpillar.

 

[Chunky Stool]

Just because you can't see them with the naked eye doesn't mean they aren't there! Get a 60X scope & you'll see the little buggers.

 

[ZoBudd]

here are some more pics - various angles on 2 Marionberry clones. I've grown this strain before. The ONLY thing I've changed is I started adding about 1/4 teaspoon of humic acid/gallon to weekly feedings. These 2 have only received nutes 2x. Maybe it's some sort of nute burn?

 

[TrimothyLeary]

Errrr. I think your plant may have Ebola. Or
do you happen to live next to a Nuclear waste facility?

I have no idea. The young growth does look more deformed than eaten. The old growth fully looks like herbivory.

Sorry, I'm out of my depth. Gonna need a bigger boat. All I have are guesses based in ignorance. Good luck.

 

[ZoBudd]

underside of healthy leaf and damaged leaf of same plant. Used a loupe and didn't see anything. I've had spider mites in the past, but this ain't spppppider mites!!! Note: there is some minor mite damage on older leaves.

 

[TrimothyLeary]

Last ditch attempt. Broad mites. Too small to see without a scope, secretes growth altering substance causing strange growth, leaf, and fruit damage. Not sure about those older leaves, but it could do what the young leaves are doing.

There's articles on external sites, not sure of the link policy here ATM.

 

[ZoBudd]

There's some weird growth on that plant. If you look at the center of 2nd pic at the top. It kind looks like a male pre flower. On the stem right next to that looks like wart. Never seen that before.

i think what Krypto is seeing are really fucked up new growth. Seriously stunted and deformed.

 

[KryptoBud]

Last ditch attempt. Broad mites. Too small to see without a scope, secretes growth altering substance causing strange growth, leaf, and fruit damage. Not sure about those older leaves, but it could do what the young leaves are doing.

There's articles on external sites, not sure of the link policy here ATM.

After looking at pics of broad mite damage I think you might be right.

 

[TrimothyLeary]

Did you see the pic of a bunch of broad mites walking around on a whitefly? Tiny little things. Imagine having both. Gah!

 

[KryptoBud]

Did you see the pic of a bunch of broad mites walking around on a whitefly? Tiny little things. Imagine having both. Gah!

If you're talkin about the pic on icmag yeah I seen it. Nasty little fuckers!