Immunity for State Department Worker in E-mail Case

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ThickStemz

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UncleBuck said:
after?

i will let you refute you, since all you can do is talk in circles. retarded little circles.
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The origin of this specific line of conversation was me imagining the spectacle of an indicted Democratic nominee vs a Trump.

It would be one for the ages. It isn't certian to be.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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ThickStemz said:
the spectacle of an indicted Democratic nominee
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which is not going to happen. you idiots are still taking about benghazi and birth certificates for fuck sake.

what will happen though, is your hero tronald dump will have to take the stand in a class action lawsuit against him for racketeering and fraud.

but you like to ignore that, because, ya know, tronald dump is so great and we have to build the wall because mexicans are so scary and muslims OMGZ.

the point being that you are not only a hypocrite, but delusional and stupid.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Padawanbater2 said:
lol

If she's indicted, she won't be running for president there, sport..

In that case, Sanders would stroll right on into the white house, cockslapping Turnip as he passed

She won't be indicted though, I guarantee that
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Sanders has done nothing to prove he actually has a penis...
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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ThickStemz said:
Are you seriously equating a civil suit and it's ramifications against a justice department and FBI criminal investigation after it has returned a criminal referral?

I know it hadn't returned that criminal referral at this time and it is possible that it will not, but my statement was how awesome would it be...

I don't hate trump. He scares me. I dont want him to be president.
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Do you read or just look at pictures?

Trump is involved in a RICO investigation and charged with fraud. The civil suit is in CA. The NY AG is pursuing fraud charges and millions of dollars in damages. Trump had been informed that his company was fraudulently using the status of University in its name and advertising -- five years before the company changed its name. I'm no lawyer and the Donald has access to the best but it looks pretty bad from where I sit.

Clinton is being investigated to determine if she knew some of the emails that she sent on a personal server were classified. Petraus did far worse -- he sent classified documents to his publisher in order to get his book written. He was fined $100,000 and pled guilty to a misdemeanor. Nobody involved in the investigation thinks what Hillary did was anywhere close to what Petraus did. I'm not saying Hillary is innocent or should not be charged if they find she did knowingly send a classified memo through her personal server. The investigation isn't over. Maybe they will find something worse....maybe.

Oh and Benghazi? Just dumb made up shit. Its so dumb and baseless that talk of charges regarding Benghazi is an embarrassment to Republican leadership

Fraud charges under RICO statute is a whole bigger can of worms that what Hillary is being investigated for.

Still, it is funny that both of today's front runners are under investigation at the same time. Maybe we should make orange the new color of the White House.
 
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ThickStemz

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Fogdog said:
Do you read or just look at pictures?

Trump is involved in a RICO investigation and charged with fraud. The civil suit is in CA. The NY AG is pursuing fraud charges and millions of dollars in damages. Trump had been informed that his company was fraudulently using the status of University in its name and advertising -- five years before the company changed its name. I'm no lawyer and the Donald has access to the best but it looks pretty bad from where I sit.

Clinton is being investigated to determine if she knew some of the emails that she sent on a personal server were classified. Petraus did far worse -- he sent classified documents to his publisher in order to get his book written. He was fined $100,000 and pled guilty to a misdemeanor. Nobody involved in the investigation thinks what Hillary did was anywhere close to what Petraus did. I'm not saying Hillary is innocent or should not be charged if they find she did knowingly send a classified memo through her personal server. The investigation isn't over. Maybe they will find something worse....maybe.

Oh and Benghazi? Just dumb made up shit. Its so dumb and baseless that talk of charges regarding Benghazi is an embarrassment to Republican leadership

Fraud charges under RICO statute is a whole bigger can of worms that what Hillary is being investigated for.

Still, it is funny that both of today's front runners are under investigation at the same time. Maybe we should make orange the new color of the White House.
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I didn't mention Benghazi and have no interest in discussing it.

As to Clinton I think you're downplaying it.

First it's her duty to preserve her records. She didn't do that.

Second it's her duty to preserve those records on government property, like a file or hard drive. She had this on a private server. From my understanding there were many highly classified documents there. It's far worse than you're letting on.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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ChesusRice said:
Double standard? Or are we going to investigate Colin Powell and Rice as well
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There shouldnt be a double standard. Politicians are not above the law. I think that the issues with Powell and Rice were looked at during the time. But I am sure you would be happy to re-open the investigation of Nixon too....
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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ThickStemz said:
I didn't mention Benghazi and have no interest in discussing it.

As to Clinton I think you're downplaying it.

First it's her duty to preserve her records. She didn't do that.

Second it's her duty to preserve those records on government property, like a file or hard drive. She had this on a private server. From my understanding there were many highly classified documents there. It's far worse than you're letting on.
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Jeez man. I'm not downplaying anything. The precedent of how Petraus was sentenced indicates how this is going to be handled if Clinton is found to have deliberately broken the law. Everything written about this says that the FBI is investigating to determine if Clinton knowingly sent classified documents from her private server. OK, so it is reported that "sources" say Clinton is suspected of doing something less egregious than what Petraus said. That's really all I have and I agree that what "officials" say is always suspect.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/in-clinton-email-investigation-justice-department-grants-immunity-to-former-state-department-staffer/2016/03/02/e421e39e-e0a0-11e5-9c36-e1902f6b6571_story.html

Current and former officials said the conviction of retired four-star general and CIA director David H. Petraeus for mishandling classified information is casting a shadow over the email investigation.

The officials said they think that Petraeus’s actions were more egregious than those of Clinton and her aides because he lied to the FBI, and classified information he shared with his biographer contained top secret code words, identities of covert officers, war strategy and intelligence capabilities. Prosecutors initially threatened to charge him with three felonies, including conspiracy, violating the Espionage Act and lying to the FBI. But after negotiations, Petraeus pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of mishandling classified information.

He was fined $100,000 and sentenced to two years of probation. FBI officials were angered by the deal and predicted it would affect the outcome of other cases involving classified information.

Petraeus “was handled so lightly for his offense there isn’t a whole lot you can do,” said a former U.S. law enforcement official who oversaw counterintelligence investigations and described the email controversy as “a lesser set of circumstances.”
 
Blunted 4 lyfe

Blunted 4 lyfe

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What I want to know is when is Bush and Cheney going to jail, their crimes were much worse than having a private email server.

B4L
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Fogdog said:
Jeez man. I'm not downplaying anything. The precedent of how Petraus was sentenced indicates how this is going to be handled if Clinton is found to have deliberately broken the law. Everything written about this says that the FBI is investigating to determine if Clinton knowingly sent classified documents from her private server. OK, so it is reported that "sources" say Clinton is suspected of doing something less egregious than what Petraus said. That's really all I have and I agree that what "officials" say is always suspect.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/in-clinton-email-investigation-justice-department-grants-immunity-to-former-state-department-staffer/2016/03/02/e421e39e-e0a0-11e5-9c36-e1902f6b6571_story.html

Current and former officials said the conviction of retired four-star general and CIA director David H. Petraeus for mishandling classified information is casting a shadow over the email investigation.

The officials said they think that Petraeus’s actions were more egregious than those of Clinton and her aides because he lied to the FBI, and classified information he shared with his biographer contained top secret code words, identities of covert officers, war strategy and intelligence capabilities. Prosecutors initially threatened to charge him with three felonies, including conspiracy, violating the Espionage Act and lying to the FBI. But after negotiations, Petraeus pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of mishandling classified information.

He was fined $100,000 and sentenced to two years of probation. FBI officials were angered by the deal and predicted it would affect the outcome of other cases involving classified information.

Petraeus “was handled so lightly for his offense there isn’t a whole lot you can do,” said a former U.S. law enforcement official who oversaw counterintelligence investigations and described the email controversy as “a lesser set of circumstances.”
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I dont know what the liberals are whining about. Obama is gonna pardon Clinton and you guys will say yeah, she deserved it...
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Fogdog said:
More made up shit. Nothing in my post reflected what you said. Do you read or just look at pictures?
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You said Petraus did worse and got off easy. You are a liberal and you are whining.

The 2nd part is that Obama is going to pardon Clinton so it really doesnt matter what she is charged with.

And you will decide that justice has been served while another politician skates completely free from any responsibility for their actions.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Blunted 4 lyfe said:
What I want to know is when is Bush and Cheney going to jail, their crimes were much worse than having a private email server.

B4L
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We all know why Petreaus was let go with a misdemeanor. Its exactly for the same reason you mention in your post. The people at the top aren't going to put in place the same enforcement that you or I would see.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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NLXSK1 said:
You said Petraus did worse and got off easy. You are a liberal and you are whining.

The 2nd part is that Obama is going to pardon Clinton so it really doesnt matter what she is charged with.

And you will decide that justice has been served while another politician skates completely free from any responsibility for their actions.
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Its a fact that Petraeus lied to the FBI and sent some really damning documents to his editor. Otherwise, I only said what was in that article from the Washington Post. I'm not defending anybody, if Hillary is found to have knowingly broken the law then she should be punished and a precedent for that punishment has already been set. I'm also saying that you wingnuts have gotten into a froth and are just talking to each other. What you believe is what you want. And unsurprisingly, what you believe is far from what's really going on.

Now, about Trump university...Trump is up for charges under federal racketeering statutes for fraud. Why don't you think that is important?
 
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