Immunity for State Department Worker in E-mail Case

[ThickStemz]

Jeez man. I'm not downplaying anything. The precedent of how Petraus was sentenced indicates how this is going to be handled if Clinton is found to have deliberately broken the law. Everything written about this says that the FBI is investigating to determine if Clinton knowingly sent classified documents from her private server. OK, so it is reported that "sources" say Clinton is suspected of doing something less egregious than what Petraus said. That's really all I have and I agree that what "officials" say is always suspect.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/in-clinton-email-investigation-justice-department-grants-immunity-to-former-state-department-staffer/2016/03/02/e421e39e-e0a0-11e5-9c36-e1902f6b6571_story.html

Current and former officials said the conviction of retired four-star general and CIA director David H. Petraeus for mishandling classified information is casting a shadow over the email investigation.

The officials said they think that Petraeus’s actions were more egregious than those of Clinton and her aides because he lied to the FBI, and classified information he shared with his biographer contained top secret code words, identities of covert officers, war strategy and intelligence capabilities. Prosecutors initially threatened to charge him with three felonies, including conspiracy, violating the Espionage Act and lying to the FBI. But after negotiations, Petraeus pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of mishandling classified information.

He was fined $100,000 and sentenced to two years of probation. FBI officials were angered by the deal and predicted it would affect the outcome of other cases involving classified information.

Petraeus “was handled so lightly for his offense there isn’t a whole lot you can do,” said a former U.S. law enforcement official who oversaw counterintelligence investigations and described the email controversy as “a lesser set of circumstances.”

Everything I've head suggests that her potential crimes are significantly worse and potentially wah more damaging than what Potreyus did.

Who knows.

But a presidential nominee with any criminal charges of that nature has to be a dead fish. No way anyone but the most ardent feminists could still in good faith vote for someone who so willfully violated protocol and endangered state secrets.

 

[UncleBuck]

Everything I've head suggests that her potential crimes are significantly worse and potentially wah more damaging than what Potreyus did.

your klan buddies are giving you bad info.

 

[Bugeye]

I can't imagine a more entertaining summer than having both Trump and Hillary under indictment!

I think Hillary clearly tried to circumvent FOIA with her home server and then fucked up every which way trying to cover her tracks. No idea if it is worse or equal or less than what Petraeus did. Someone will probably indict Trump for just for being Trump.

 

[UncleBuck]

I can't imagine a more entertaining summer than having both Trump and Hillary under indictment!

I think Hillary clearly tried to circumvent FOIA with her home server and then fucked up every which way trying to cover her tracks. No idea if it is worse or equal or less than what Petraeus did. Someone will probably indict Trump for just for being Trump.

poor trump just gets so persecuted. the poor thing.

and climate change is fake. hiatus.

benghazi.

 

[Fogdog]

Everything I've head suggests that her potential crimes are significantly worse and potentially wah more damaging than what Potreyus did.

Dude you talk out of your ass. So, post something more than what goes on in the echo chamber between your ears. Give me a link to something other than a right wing media organ, something from a fact checking site or a major media site that is counter to what I just said and documented.

I don't ask you to trust me, I posted external sources from mainstream media or neutral sites. I could go to some frothing at the mouth left sites and I put msnbc on that list too. I discount those sites just as much as anything from the radical right, such as Fox.

The violation Clinton may be up for pales in comparison to Trump's Fraud and Racketeering charges. Prove me wrong if you can. Stuff coming from you ass doesn't count.

 

[Fogdog]

I think Hillary clearly tried to circumvent FOIA with her home server and then fucked up every which way trying to cover her tracks.

What you think is not important.

 

[UncleBuck]

Give me a link to something other than a right wing media organ

he doesn't listen to right wing news, just breitbart and drudge.



not even good trolling, if that's what the sock puppet is trying to do.

 

[Fogdog]

he doesn't listen to right wing news, just breitbart and drudge.



not even good trolling, if that's what the sock puppet is trying to do.

Why do these guys talk as though what they think is important? And then just dismiss facts. Its as though they missed out on the gene that enables critical thinking.

 

[ThickStemz]

Dude you talk out of your ass. So, post something more than what goes on in the echo chamber between your ears. Give me a link to something other than a right wing media organ, something from a fact checking site or a major media site that is counter to what I just said and documented.

I don't ask you to trust me, I posted external sources from mainstream media or neutral sites. I could go to some frothing at the mouth left sites and I put msnbc on that list too. I discount those sites just as much as anything from the radical right, such as Fox.

The violation Clinton may be up for pales in comparison to Trump's Fraud and Racketeering charges. Prove me wrong if you can. Stuff coming from you ass doesn't count.

I'm going to post this link and take it for what it's worth. I love how you preset the stage here by saying we need a left wing news source, since we know the American media is almost as polarized as our politics, the left isn't talkin about this and the right is talking too much.

I use this article becuase it gives what the two laws are. Yes its possible hillary just did the same thing the general did. It's also possible she did more. We don't know yet. That's what I'm saying.

There is potential for worse if you simply read what the laws are and compare it to what is publicly known at this point about what happend.

http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/judge-these-are-all-the-charges-hillary-faces-over-private-emails

Napolitano said the far more serious charge would be a conspiracy to “conceal documents from government computers,” which carries a penalty of three years in jail per document. A conviction on that charge would disqualify her from holding public office again.


And from a more left leaning blog with more description of what that more serious charge is...

http://www.norcalblogs.com/postscripts/2016/01/19/hillary-clinton-indicted/


There has to be a reason she chose to not use government computers. She went through a lot of trouble and expense in doing this. And she knew it was illegal becuase she dismissed the Kenyan ambassador in 2012 for doing something similar.

 

[Fogdog]

I'm going to post this link and take it for what it's worth. I love how you preset the stage here by saying we need a left wing news source, since we know the American media is almost as polarized as our politics, the left isn't talkin about this and the right is talking too much.

I use this article becuase it gives what the two laws are. Yes its possible hillary just did the same thing the general did. It's also possible she did more. We don't know yet. That's what I'm saying.

There is potential for worse if you simply read what the laws are and compare it to what is publicly known at this point about what happend.

http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/judge-these-are-all-the-charges-hillary-faces-over-private-emails

Napolitano said the far more serious charge would be a conspiracy to “conceal documents from government computers,” which carries a penalty of three years in jail per document. A conviction on that charge would disqualify her from holding public office again.


And from a more left leaning blog with more description of what that more serious charge is...

http://www.norcalblogs.com/postscripts/2016/01/19/hillary-clinton-indicted/

You are absolutely right. I call bullshit on right wing media organs. Wingnut idiot organ grinders just make up shit and repeat it. To wit:

They will be forced to hand down an indictment against Hillary or you will see mass resignations at the FBI.

Who says that? Somebody named Jack. Come on man, don't you see how flimsy this is?

The next charge is much more serious, a conspiracy to “conceal documents from government computers,” which carries a penalty of three years in jail per document. A conviction on that charge would disqualify her from holding public office again. Then there is perjury, but chances are it will all be handled with a plea deal and then she’s gone from politics forever.

Again, "Jack" says this. Clinton hasn't been charged and nobody but Jack mentions this charge as even a possibility. So, who am I supposed to believe? "Jack" or the Washington Post? By the way, you mention Napolitano, who is not quoted in the right wingnut blog posting.

Maybe she does say that somewhere but its not in that blog post.

Oh and then he goes on about Benghazi. Foaming at the mouth wingnut made up shit. And you made me dumber for reading it. At least I don't think its worth anything.

Finally, this bit about mainstream media being left wing. To this I say:

 

[Padawanbater2]

Why do these guys talk as though what they think is important? And then just dismiss facts. Its as though they missed out on the gene that enables critical thinking.

Interesting phenomenon, isn't it?

 

[Fogdog]

Interesting phenomenon, isn't it?

Its no wonder that most are are poorly educated. Mommy's homeschooling was too hard for them.

 

[SSHZ]

Do you read or just look at pictures?

Trump is involved in a RICO investigation and charged with fraud. The civil suit is in CA. The NY AG is pursuing fraud charges and millions of dollars in damages. Trump had been informed that his company was fraudulently using the status of University in its name and advertising -- five years before the company changed its name. I'm no lawyer and the Donald has access to the best but it looks pretty bad from where I sit.

Clinton is being investigated to determine if she knew some of the emails that she sent on a personal server were classified. Petraus did far worse -- he sent classified documents to his publisher in order to get his book written. He was fined $100,000 and pled guilty to a misdemeanor. Nobody involved in the investigation thinks what Hillary did was anywhere close to what Petraus did. I'm not saying Hillary is innocent or should not be charged if they find she did knowingly send a classified memo through her personal server. The investigation isn't over. Maybe they will find something worse....maybe.

Oh and Benghazi? Just dumb made up shit. Its so dumb and baseless that talk of charges regarding Benghazi is an embarrassment to Republican leadership

Fraud charges under RICO statute is a whole bigger can of worms that what Hillary is being investigated for.

Still, it is funny that both of today's front runners are under investigation at the same time. Maybe we should make orange the new color of the White House.

You are wrong.....even many Dem's have said that what Hillary is accused of is MUCH worse than what Petraus did.......the scope of documents and details is far, far worse. Now there is word that they shared log in info (a crime), that she solicited money for her non-profit thru speaking engagements for Bill in exchange for favorable treatment while she was at the state dept (another crime) and they destroyed evidence by attempting to erase data from the hard drive. And of course the moving of classified documents to a non state dept. server, let's not forget about that. There's more coming too....ask yourself why would the FBI would allocate 150 seasoned agents to the case????.....The FBI director said in Oct the case would be wrapped up in Jan and now it's going to be 5 months longer than expected- what do you think they've been doing??????

 

[ThickStemz]

You are absolutely right. I call bullshit on right wing media organs. Wingnut idiot organ grinders just make up shit and repeat it. To wit:

They will be forced to hand down an indictment against Hillary or you will see mass resignations at the FBI.

Who says that? Somebody named Jack. Come on man, don't you see how flimsy this is?

The next charge is much more serious, a conspiracy to “conceal documents from government computers,” which carries a penalty of three years in jail per document. A conviction on that charge would disqualify her from holding public office again. Then there is perjury, but chances are it will all be handled with a plea deal and then she’s gone from politics forever.

Again, "Jack" says this. Clinton hasn't been charged and nobody but Jack mentions this charge as even a possibility. So, who am I supposed to believe? "Jack" or the Washington Post? By the way, you mention Napolitano, who is not quoted in the right wingnut blog posting.

Maybe she does say that somewhere but its not in that blog post.

Oh and then he goes on about Benghazi. Foaming at the mouth wingnut made up shit. And you made me dumber for reading it. At least I don't think its worth anything.

Finally, this bit about mainstream media being left wing. To this I say:
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I think I posted 2 links the first is judge Nepalitano saying the exact same thing. It's an actual news article from an actual news source.

The second link in clearlydefined as a blog.

 

[Fogdog]

You are wrong.....even many Dem's have said that what Hillary is accused of is MUCH worse than what Petraus did.......the scope of documents and details is far, far worse. Now there is word that they shared log in info (a crime), that she solicited money for her non-profit thru speaking engagements for Bill in exchange for favorable treatment while she was at the state dept (another crime) and they destroyed evidence by attempting to erase data from the hard drive. And of course the moving of classified documents to a non state dept. server, let's not forget about that. There's more coming too....ask yourself why would the FBI would allocate 150 seasoned agents to the case????.....The FBI director said in Oct the case would be wrapped up in Jan and now it's going to be 5 months longer than expected- what do you think they've been doing??????

Cite it, something from main stream media or a neutral fact checking site. I've looked and haven't found it. Only on right wing echo chamber blogs. I'm not saying you aren't correct. I'm only saying I'm not taking your word for it.

 

[Fogdog]

I think I posted 2 links the first is judge Nepalitano saying the exact same thing. It's an actual news article from an actual news source.

The second link in clearlydefined as a blog.

I rejected the federalist papers outright. Nothing there is credible.

 

[Fogdog]

Funny, very funny bit on me. I had to look up Napolitano to find out who he is.

Andrew Peter Napolitano is the Senior Judicial Analyst for Fox News Channel

Derp de Derp de Derp You guys are just plain ignorant. He's a paid for propagandist. The Fox news channel is not a credible source for anything other than what brands of preparation H are available.

 

[Fogdog]

It just get better. More on "Judge" Napolitano: Napolitano said he is a "contrarian" on President Abraham Lincoln's legacy, "bemoan[ed] the fact" that Lincoln has been "mythologized," and accused Lincoln of having "set about on the most murderous war in American history" over slavery rather than "allowing it to die" since it "was dying a natural death."

 

[ThickStemz]

Funny, very funny bit on me. I had to look up Napolitano to find out who he is.

Andrew Peter Napolitano is the Senior Judicial Analyst for Fox News Channel

Derp de Derp de Derp You guys are just plain ignorant. He's a paid for propagandist. The Fox news channel is not a credible source for anything other than what brands of preparation H are available.

As I said, disregard his opinion and simply notice what the law is...

Conspiracy to conceal documents from government computers or record.

That is an actual crime.

Now compare that with what is known about this case. Hillary set up a private server to store her email records. This is expressly against the rules as she dismissed our ambassador to Kenya for something similar.

Also consider that she had thousands of classified documents there. The security on her server isn't as good as the state departments.

And the law provides that this is a crime if intentionally done or if negligently done.

She is at a minimum guilty of the lesser charge the general pled guilty to. And it looks as the shoe fits on this charge as well.

She didn't disclose she had these emails on a private server. Remember that. They would have forever been concealed had not her records been subpoenaed by congress and the server was then discovered.

Do you think hillary is an IT expert? Do you think she maintained this server with no help? No of course not. Whoever maintained that server had access to top level classified documents without appropriate clearance.

 

[Red1966]

lol

If she's indicted, she won't be running for president there, sport..

In that case, Sanders would stroll right on into the white house, cockslapping Turnip as he passed

She won't be indicted though, I guarantee that

An admission to the corruptness of the Obama administration?