SuperSoil vs Organic Bottled Nutes

[bicit]

Another vote for no till method here. No point in buying bottles, they don't do anything special. I'm sure they work, they also cost a ton of money.

I don't even recommend buying bottles for hydroponics... just paying for water really. Get the raw salts online and dissolve them yourself.

Don't buy bottled water.

 

[Beemo]

Another vote for no till method here. No point in buying bottles, they don't do anything special. I'm sure they work, they also cost a ton of money.

I don't even recommend buying bottles for hydroponics... just paying for water really. Get the raw salts online and dissolve them yourself.

Don't buy bottled water.

i agree... its for people who dont have that much space to work with...

just dissolved some su pu mag the other day...
but some bottles are a must... fish hydro, fulvic acid, silica, and a few others...

 

[hyroot]

yes please stop running your mouth....

your omri fish


http://www.organicgem.com/

Fact omri certs are pure bull shit. You can get windex omri listed for $$$$ . Oregon till is the only true organic certification. It takes 5 years to get it and a lot of inspections.

Bottled nutes are not by any means organic. They have salts, chemical preservatives, phosphoric acid, folic acid, and are all bad for you and cause cancer. Same shit is in cocacola.

The organic labels foods use in stores is under USDA organic guidelines which is very loose. They allow small amount of chemicals and pesticides. 99.9% of usda approved organic foods in fact is not organic at all.

The majority of the fruits and Veggies in the U.S. come from California. Most of those farms are not organic. They have been using chemical fertz for decades. They don't have the infrastructure to switch to organic nor the government aid. Those farms would have to shut down for 1-2 years while they plant bio accumulators to phytoremediate the soil. Which is removing the chemicals and heavy metals from the soil. Those farms when the salinity in the soil gets too high they do what is called crop burning. Where they burn the left over crops and the soil.. Then allow the ash to compost in the soil. They do this at least once a year. They all seem to crop burn on the same day. Then they continue to use chemical fertz. Some farms do this when they get a pest problem that is so severe that pesticides don't work.

Look up the Salton Sea. Which is the largest lake in California. It's a 35 mile lake in SoCal that is highly polluted and has a very high salinity due to runoff from all the surrounding farms. They wiped out 400 species of birds in the area. The fish still there are mutated. There's dead fish all over the shoreline. The smell of the lake is like a mix of rotten eggs and a baby's diaper. You can smell it from over 60 miles away.

Anyway these farms have usda organic certs. They're not organic at all. They're actually destroying the planet. To get true organic food. You have to go to farmers markets and get heirloom grown fruits and veggies. Meat from Coop free range grass fed or corn fed animals. The

 

[Yodaweed]

Fact omri certs are pure bull shit. You can get windex omri listed for $$$$ . Oregon till is the only true organic certification. It takes 5 years to get it and a lot of inspections.

Bottled nutes are not by any means organic. They have salts, chemical preservatives, phosphoric acid, folic acid, and are all bad for you and cause cancer. Same shit is in cocacola.

The organic labels foods use in stores is under USDA organic guidelines which is very loose. They allow small amount of chemicals and pesticides. 99.9% of usda approved organic foods in fact is not organic at all.

The majority of the fruits and Veggies in the U.S. come from California. Most of those farms are not organic. They have been using chemical fertz for decades. They don't have the infrastructure to switch to organic nor the government aid. Those farms would have to shut down for 1-2 years while they plant bio accumulators to phytoremediate the soil. Which is removing the chemicals and heavy metals from the soil. Those farms when the salinity in the soil gets too high they do what is called crop burning. Where they burn the left over crops and the soil.. Then allow the ash to compost in the soil. They do this at least once a year. They all seem to crop burn on the same day. Then they continue to use chemical fertz. Some farms do this when they get a pest problem that is so severe that pesticides don't work.

Look up the Salton Sea. Which is a 35 mile lake that is highly polluted and has a very high salinity due to runoff from all the surrounding farms. They wiped out 400 species of birds. The fish still there are mutated. There's dead fish all over the shoreline. The smell of the lake is like a mix of rotten eggs and a baby's diaper. You can smell it from over 60 miles away.

Anyway these farms have usda organic certs. They're not organic at all. They're actually destroying the planet. To get true organic food. You have to go to farmers markets and get heirloom grown fruits and veggies. Meat from Coop free range grass fed or corn fed animals. The

It all runs downhill, here in Colorado our water is polluted badly by mines, my water source was contaminated by a mine wash out last year, really sad to see the earth be destroyed like this and people don't even realize what is going on.

 

[Yodaweed]

i agree... its for people who dont have that much space to work with...

just dissolved some su pu mag the other day...
but some bottles are a must... fish hydro, fulvic acid, silica, and a few others...

You can get those from other sources than a bottle, silica is in green sand, amend your soil with it.

 

[Dear ol" Thankful Grower!]

After harvest. Pull stalk then replant new plant or replant new plant next to stalk (the old stalk will fall over and break off on its own eventually ) Top dress amendments at half the rate of the soil mix. Then top dress castings / compost and then water. The castings and compost on top will help break down the amendments faster. Along with enzymes from seed sprout teas or coconut water or top dressing malted seeds. That will all break down the old roots as well. Plus the microbes feed on the old roots

Is it true ph your water with ph up and down in soil it kills your microbes? And my tap water comes out at 8.0 my bag o soil says its ph adjusted can i just use my tap water?

 

[hyroot]

Is it true ph your water with ph up and down in soil it kills your microbes? And my tap water comes out at 8.0 my bag o soil says its ph adjusted can i just use my tap water?

Yes ph up down is a chemical that kills microbes. There's natural ph up downs, wood ash, peat moss, oyster shell flour, etc... There's plenty of ph buffers and regulators in living soil. Crab shell meal, worm castings, coco, rock dusts, etc....

 

[Beemo]

Fact omri certs are pure bull shit. You can get windex omri listed for $$$$ . Oregon till is the only true organic certification. It takes 5 years to get it and a lot of inspections.

Bottled nutes are not by any means organic. They have salts, chemical preservatives, phosphoric acid, folic acid, and are all bad for you and cause cancer. Same shit is in cocacola.

The organic labels foods use in stores is under USDA organic guidelines which is very loose. They allow small amount of chemicals and pesticides. 99.9% of usda approved organic foods in fact is not organic at all.

The majority of the fruits and Veggies in the U.S. come from California. Most of those farms are not organic. They have been using chemical fertz for decades. They don't have the infrastructure to switch to organic nor the government aid. Those farms would have to shut down for 1-2 years while they plant bio accumulators to phytoremediate the soil. Which is removing the chemicals and heavy metals from the soil. Those farms when the salinity in the soil gets too high they do what is called crop burning. Where they burn the left over crops and the soil.. Then allow the ash to compost in the soil. They do this at least once a year. They all seem to crop burn on the same day. Then they continue to use chemical fertz. Some farms do this when they get a pest problem that is so severe that pesticides don't work.

Look up the Salton Sea. Which is the largest lake in California. It's a 35 mile lake in SoCal that is highly polluted and has a very high salinity due to runoff from all the surrounding farms. They wiped out 400 species of birds in the area. The fish still there are mutated. There's dead fish all over the shoreline. The smell of the lake is like a mix of rotten eggs and a baby's diaper. You can smell it from over 60 miles away.

Anyway these farms have usda organic certs. They're not organic at all. They're actually destroying the planet. To get true organic food. You have to go to farmers markets and get heirloom grown fruits and veggies. Meat from Coop free range grass fed or corn fed animals. The

i already know that...

tell that to yodaweed... he's the one saying OMRI only...

 

[genuity]

No one is Organic on the Internet.

Everybody's pot is the best on the Internet.

Everything is new on the Internet.

One day on the Internet. ...

 

[chuck estevez]

No one is Organic on the Internet.

Everybody's pot is the best on the Internet.

Everything is new on the Internet.

One day on the Internet. ...

but I grow organic, with L.E.D, I use Advanced nutrients and flush,defoiliate and fondle my girls daily. my weed is awesome and you are going to get cancer!!

 

[Rrog]

I'm trying to use all MI-base / local amendments and soil components

 

[genuity]

but I grow organic, with L.E.D, I use Advanced nutrients and flush,defoiliate and fondle my girls daily. my weed is awesome and you are going to get cancer!!

Nope,I did not see any foraging for dandelion an such.....if you don't got any dandelion, you are not organically correct.

 

[genuity]

I'm trying to use all MI-base / local amendments and soil components

This is what it is all about....

 

[Rrog]

And I'm doing LED

 

[hyroot]

Nope,I did not see any foraging for dandelion an such.....if you don't got any dandelion, you are not organically correct.

I was hand picking dandelions yesterday. Unfortunately in my area they only grow a couple inches tall. No where to get bushy dandelions around here

 

[st0wandgrow]

LOL...

you really dont know organics...

And you do??

bacteria/fungal population in soil, is a must in organics... it tells the roots to EAT....

 

[Beemo]

And you do??

nah... but i prolly know more than you...
i dont go around like yoda and be 1 minded on a subject...
but keep telling peeps in organic to keep using coco...

 

[Beemo]

Fact omri certs are pure bull shit. You can get windex omri listed for $$$$ . Oregon till is the only true organic certification. It takes 5 years to get it and a lot of inspections.

Bottled nutes are not by any means organic. They have salts, chemical preservatives, phosphoric acid, folic acid, and are all bad for you and cause cancer. Same shit is in cocacola.

The organic labels foods use in stores is under USDA organic guidelines which is very loose. They allow small amount of chemicals and pesticides. 99.9% of usda approved organic foods in fact is not organic at all.

The majority of the fruits and Veggies in the U.S. come from California. Most of those farms are not organic. They have been using chemical fertz for decades. They don't have the infrastructure to switch to organic nor the government aid. Those farms would have to shut down for 1-2 years while they plant bio accumulators to phytoremediate the soil. Which is removing the chemicals and heavy metals from the soil. Those farms when the salinity in the soil gets too high they do what is called crop burning. Where they burn the left over crops and the soil.. Then allow the ash to compost in the soil. They do this at least once a year. They all seem to crop burn on the same day. Then they continue to use chemical fertz. Some farms do this when they get a pest problem that is so severe that pesticides don't work.

Look up the Salton Sea. Which is the largest lake in California. It's a 35 mile lake in SoCal that is highly polluted and has a very high salinity due to runoff from all the surrounding farms. They wiped out 400 species of birds in the area. The fish still there are mutated. There's dead fish all over the shoreline. The smell of the lake is like a mix of rotten eggs and a baby's diaper. You can smell it from over 60 miles away.

Anyway these farms have usda organic certs. They're not organic at all. They're actually destroying the planet. To get true organic food. You have to go to farmers markets and get heirloom grown fruits and veggies. Meat from Coop free range grass fed or corn fed animals. The

now that i see you like stow comment...
this was for me LOL... next time read a few pages before who you side with... no hard feelings

funny how YODA liked it... its going against everything he stands for....

 

[st0wandgrow]

but i prolly know more than you...

Perhaps. If so, I'd love for you to explain how roots "EAT", and how microbes instruct them to do so. I'm always down to learn something new...

but keep telling peeps in organic to keep using coco...

Actually I use leaf mold for my base now, but I do prefer coco over peat if given the choice. Each to their own

 

[Chunky Stool]

The thing with bottled nutes is that you are bypassing the soil food web and force feeding the plant. When you force feed a plant like this, it doesn't have a choice about taking up the nutrients, osmotic pressure forces the nutes into the roots. This is why you have to stop feeding and flush the excess salts out of the soil when feeding with bottled nutes.

With living soil, the plant produces exudates from the roots to attract and multiply the specific microbes necessary to produce the specific nutrients that the plant needs to grow to it's full genetic potential. Most of us experience fade towards the end of a run in living soil. IMO this isn't down lack of nutrients in the soil, rather the plant doesn't need to take nutes out of the soil anymore and starts using the easier accessed nutrients already stored in it's leaves. Horticulturalist's call this natural progression 'plant senescence' and it's probably part of the reason why we don't need to flush, the other being the lack of salt build up from using bottled products.

There are some bottled products that don't build up in the soil. Mills A+B comes to mind. You can feed them every time you water from veg all the way thru flower.