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[greasemonkeymann]

OH yeah... I can finally make a final comment on HPS vs MH... MH sucks. Buds LOOK bigger. But density is waaaaaay superior on the red tent. Overall difference in yield... 25 percent and UP leaning towards HPS. The old heads had it right. Who would have thpught eh.

Been using Mhs for yrs and yrs, you will yield less, my yields didn't go down that far though, maybe 10%
and in my opinion the difference in the smoke after was worth the 10%
You smoke the Mh tents flowers yet?
you can DEF tell a difference...

 

[kmog33]

Been using Mhs for yrs and yrs, you will yield less, my yields didn't go down that far though, maybe 10%
and in my opinion the difference in the smoke after was worth the 10%
You smoke the Mh tents flowers yet?
you can DEF tell a difference...

I think most of that is just intensity of the light. As hps puts out more light per watt than mh, it would take more actual watts of mh than hps to yield the same In theory.


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[Al Yamoni]

So i got this stuff from the local dro shop...View attachment 3627647theyre always hookin me up w free samples n this is one of em. They knew little about it. Only that a local company makes it outta food waste from landfills and the guy is a microbiologist. And that it wreaks like hell! So long story short, i used it to make bokashi grain (bukaki as we like to call it lol) and i believe it worked. The finished grain smells like that sweet apple cider vinegar smell, just like em1 makes, so i assume it worked.

My question is i wonder if i could use this as a foliar like a lacto b? And what dilution rate do u use on yr standard lacto? Id assume this stuff would be the same rate?

I would go for it, with lacto B you want to take it easy as a soil drench but you can get pretty heavy with the foliar sprays. Highest I have reached was about 4T per gallon. Gave the soil a bit of that same mix and they drooped for a couple hours and perked right back up. I'd start with that stuff @ 1T per gallon and spray twice a week at lights off and just before lights on.. Let me know what's up!

 

[jimmy311]

Now I got gnats..smh
Anyone use gnatrol?
A guy gonna help me out and send a yellow trap and a oz of it.. For $8

I got mine about 10" away.
I have a digital thermometer I keep about two inches above the canopy to make sure the light isn't too much/toasty.
The bat wings are pretty bad ass reflectors if your room is conducive to that setup, my grow is all symmetrical so I gotta keep em enclosed somewhat
18" is far though man, you are losing a lot of the lights intensity at that distance.
the MH doesn't travel too well, on my experience..
so yours are vertical i'm assuming? with a batwing that's the typical setup

My lights are more then 3' away??

Oh PS. Its ormi approved and used commercialy

 

[akhiymjames]

Been using Mhs for yrs and yrs, you will yield less, my yields didn't go down that far though, maybe 10%
and in my opinion the difference in the smoke after was worth the 10%
You smoke the Mh tents flowers yet?
you can DEF tell a difference...

I'm glad you said this cus this confirms what I have been hearing about MH and UVB making smoke much better

 

[greasemonkeymann]

I think most of that is just intensity of the light. As hps puts out more light per watt than mh, it would take more actual watts of mh than hps to yield the same In theory.


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nah I know, but it's just like the LEDs argument, the USEABLE light
much of the HPS is of a wasted/unefficient spectrum.
I've done both, I've gone back and forth a bunch
and for me the difference is visually obvious
bigger glands, more trichs, etc.
even the actual effect of the herb seems to change.

 

[akhiymjames]

nah I know, but it's just like the LEDs argument, the USEABLE light
much of the HPS is of a wasted/unefficient spectrum.
I've done both, I've gone back and forth a bunch
and for me the difference is visually obvious
bigger glands, more trichs, etc.
even the actual effect of the herb seems to change.

This needs a double like

 

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[kmog33]

nah I know, but it's just like the LEDs argument, the USEABLE light
much of the HPS is of a wasted/unefficient spectrum.
I've done both, I've gone back and forth a bunch
and for me the difference is visually obvious
bigger glands, more trichs, etc.
even the actual effect of the herb seems to change.

I mean just as far as density. There's still less useable light. The spectrum being better explains the better structure/resin production. It just can't pull the density due to the shear light output per watt difference. LEDs are the same. They are just putting out more light per watt at this point than hps so the density is also on par


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[greasemonkeymann]

Now I got gnats..smh
Anyone use gnatrol?
A guy gonna help me out and send a yellow trap and a oz of it.. For $8


My lights are more then 3' away??

Oh PS. Its ormi approved and used commercialy

damn dude, that's far as hell man.
you are only getting like maybe 40% of that lights actual output man
You'll see a HUGE difference bumping that closer.
always, always, always, have the HID regardless of bulb type as close as possible without burning
The intensity dramatically diminishes
I had a cheap light-reader that I bought yrs ago, and you'd be surprised how quick the light drops off, the further away it is

 

[greasemonkeymann]

I mean just as far as density. There's still less useable light. The spectrum being better explains the better structure/resin production. It just can't pull the density due to the shear light output per watt difference. LEDs are the same. They are just putting out more light per watt at this point than hps so the density is also on par


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well, like I said, I didn't notice that personally.
Never have, really.
20% is a big dropoff, if my yields were affected that dramatically i'd use just hps too
there isn't much of a noticeable difference from my experience.
I'd say I've done probably 25-30 harvest with a mh/hps mix
and probably about 75 harvests with just a dual HPS setup
and further still about 25 harvests with a SOLE MH
never flowered under LEDs (want to) or cfls
also the strains I grew at the time were sativa dom mixes, bluedream, j1, and the jack herer
All of which I had grown for yrs

 

[greasemonkeymann]

I'm glad you said this cus this confirms what I have been hearing about MH and UVB making smoke much better

I just urge ANY grower that's using two ballasts, to at least give it a try.
It's just the cost of the bulb, as nowdays the digi ballasts can fire both
so like a 75 dollar bulb is WELL worth it.
and once you try it?
my bet is that you won't go back
It's less than a hundred dollar investment
You'd thank me afterwards (course I woulda thought mad Hamish would have liked the results)
sorry for the triple-post fellas... I hate doing the multi-quote response

 

[kmog33]

well, like I said, I didn't notice that personally.
Never have, really.
20% is a big dropoff, if my yields were affected that dramatically i'd use just hps too
there isn't much of a noticeable difference from my experience.
I'd say I've done probably 25-30 harvest with a mh/hps mix
and probably about 75 harvests with just a dual HPS setup
and further still about 25 harvests with a SOLE MH
never flowered under LEDs (want to) or cfls
also the strains I grew at the time were sativa dom mixes, bluedream, j1, and the jack herer
All of which I had grown for yrs

20% is a big drop off and i think that sounds more heat related probably lol. I think a 5-10% difference would make more sense, but fairly negligible. I run LEDs and my last run pulled ~1.7 gpw. Density is as good as anything else I've run. But my LEDs are running at ~46% efficient, so a bit better than hps.


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[jimmy311]

Not when your males should be females....you don't want to be breeding with them hermie genes like that but doesn't mean you can't find something worth while with a parent like that

They prolly threw male seeds in and charged u for FEMS lol
Hermie is when a female or male(that u know and can see) turns into a diff sex.. ??? I thought.. U can't get Hermie from a seed?? Can u? That's a first

 

[jimmy311]

I mean just as far as density. There's still less useable light. The spectrum being better explains the better structure/resin production. It just can't pull the density due to the shear light output per watt difference. LEDs are the same. They are just putting out more light per watt at this point than hps so the density is also on par


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So keep my Mh build in for whole grow???

 

[kmog33]

So keep my Mh build in for whole grow???

If you want. Lol. It's mostly preference.


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[jimmy311]

damn dude, that's far as hell man.
you are only getting like maybe 40% of that lights actual output man
You'll see a HUGE difference bumping that closer.
always, always, always, have the HID regardless of bulb type as close as possible without burning
The intensity dramatically diminishes
I had a cheap light-reader that I bought yrs ago, and you'd be surprised how quick the light drops off, the further away it is

But their small plants

 

[greasemonkeymann]

20% is a big drop off and i think that sounds more heat related probably lol. I think a 5-10% difference would make more sense, but fairly negligible. I run LEDs and my last run pulled ~1.7 gpw. Density is as good as anything else I've run. But my LEDs are running at ~46% efficient, so a bit better than hps.


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well the lumen difference between a 600 hps and a 600 mh is HUGE..
just hard to say how the plants respond to that.
the 10k 600 I got is BRIGHT AS FUCK...
to my naked eye it's WAY brighter than the 600 hps..
but not according to the lumen output, but like I said, much of that isn't useable
it's simply like the age-old organic vs chem grows.
TRY THEM BOTH AND DECIDE
It's allllll preference...
for me?
a leaf-compost, meal based mix, organically grown, water only, using both a mh and a hps is exactly what my preference has led me to
JUST what I like, catered to me.
knowing mad Hamish (via the internet that is) I think he probably had the temps under control, he is a good grower, just perplexed as to why the large dropoff.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

But their small plants

doesn't matter, those have established roots enough to benefit from the light being closer, assuming they aren't freshly cloned/transplanted.
cannabis can take a LOT of light before having issues, it's always the TEMP thats is the limiting factor
gotta remember they germinate outside naturally, and that light is a candle compared to the suns output, and the sun doesn't kill em.
Those back two plants are pretty small, so depending on what their history.
'either way though you want that WAY closer my man

 

[akhiymjames]

They prolly threw male seeds in and charged u for FEMS lol
Hermie is when a female or male(that u know and can see) turns into a diff sex.. ??? I thought.. U can't get Hermie from a seed?? Can u? That's a first

You are right a hermie turns into the opposite sex but oh yes bro now def can get a hermie from a plant from seed. Remember all these great strains came from seed at the beginning of their life so yea a seed plant can hermie. There are many known cases too of FEM seeds turning male and happens regular in the line too. Some say it's rogue male pollen around but it happens too often to many breeders and different strains so I believe there's always that possibility with FEM seeds