SURPRISE! The NSA data on you IS used for policing w/o a warrant

ClaytonBigsby

Well-Known Member
Surprise! NSA data will soon routinely be used for domestic policing that has nothing to do with terrorism

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2016/03/10/surprise-nsa-data-will-soon-routinely-be-used-for-domestic-policing-that-has-nothing-to-do-with-terrorism/


A while back, we noted a report showing that the “sneak-and-peek” provision of the Patriot Act that was alleged to be used only in national security and terrorism investigations has overwhelmingly been used in narcotics cases. Now the New York Times reports that National Security Agency data will be shared with other intelligence agencies like the FBI without first applying any screens for privacy. The ACLU of Massachusetts blog Privacy SOS explains why this is important:

What does this rule change mean for you? In short, domestic law enforcement officials now have access to huge troves of American communications, obtained without warrants, that they can use to put people in cages. FBI agents don’t need to have any “national security” related reason to plug your name, email address, phone number, or other “selector” into the NSA’s gargantuan data trove. They can simply poke around in your private information in the course of totally routine investigations. And if they find something that suggests, say, involvement in illegal drug activity, they can send that information to local or state police. That means information the NSA collects for purposes of so-called “national security” will be used by police to lock up ordinary Americans for routine crimes. And we don’t have to guess who’s going to suffer this unconstitutional indignity the most brutally. It’ll be Black, Brown, poor, immigrant, Muslim, and dissident Americans: the same people who are always targeted by law enforcement for extra “special” attention.

This basically formalizes what was already happening under the radar. We’ve known for a couple of years now that the Drug Enforcement Administration and the IRS were getting information from the NSA. Because that information was obtained without a warrant, the agencies were instructed to engage in “parallel construction” when explaining to courts and defense attorneys how the information had been obtained. If you think parallel construction just sounds like a bureaucratically sterilized way of saying big stinking lie, well, you wouldn’t be alone. And it certainly isn’t the only time that that national security apparatus has let law enforcement agencies benefit from policies that are supposed to be reserved for terrorism investigations in order to get around the Fourth Amendment, then instructed those law enforcement agencies to misdirect, fudge and outright lie about how they obtained incriminating information — see the Stingray debacle. This isn’t just a few rogue agents. The lying has been a matter of policy. We’re now learning that the feds had these agreements with police agencies all over thecountry, affecting thousands of cases.

On the one hand, I guess it’s better that this new data-sharing policy is acknowledged in the open instead of carried out surreptitiously. On the other hand, there’s something even more ominous about the fact that they no longer feel as though they need to hide it.

It’s all another sobering reminder that any powers we grant to the federal government for the purpose of national security will inevitably be used just about everywhere else. And extraordinary powers we grant government in wartime rarely go away once the war is over. And, of course, the nifty thing for government agencies about a “war on terrorism” is that it’s a war that will never formally end.

This is why I hate smart tvs, phones, meters, anything. We knew they could, but now they're just rubbing it in our faces. This is NOT America as intended.
 

Singlemalt

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Related: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/obama-says-cannot-legal-case-apple-inc-223034884--finance.html

"AUSTIN, Texas (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama on Friday made a passionate case for mobile devices to be built in such a way as to allow government to gain access to personal data if needed to prevent a terrorist attack or enforce tax laws..............."
Later he brings up kiddie porn. So already we've gone from terrorism to tax evasion and kiddie porn


The courts have already upheld that the police can search your cell phone even for a traffic stop; some PD's already have the means to allow a cop you D/L your phone from his cruiser.
 

dgthumb

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I don't worry about my phone being screened by the NSA, mostly because I live by the rule "what if I lose my phone some where". So I don't keep anything on the phone that could come back to bite me later.
If the government wants to be able to view our data without a warrant, then fair is fair, let's get their email passwords and phone data. Share it up... but yeaaa like they'd actually let the average Joe see what's really going on behind the scenes.

And people wonder why I avoid smart phones and other apps.
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
Surprise! NSA data will soon routinely be used for domestic policing that has nothing to do with terrorism

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2016/03/10/surprise-nsa-data-will-soon-routinely-be-used-for-domestic-policing-that-has-nothing-to-do-with-terrorism/


A while back, we noted a report showing that the “sneak-and-peek” provision of the Patriot Act that was alleged to be used only in national security and terrorism investigations has overwhelmingly been used in narcotics cases. Now the New York Times reports that National Security Agency data will be shared with other intelligence agencies like the FBI without first applying any screens for privacy. The ACLU of Massachusetts blog Privacy SOS explains why this is important:

What does this rule change mean for you? In short, domestic law enforcement officials now have access to huge troves of American communications, obtained without warrants, that they can use to put people in cages. FBI agents don’t need to have any “national security” related reason to plug your name, email address, phone number, or other “selector” into the NSA’s gargantuan data trove. They can simply poke around in your private information in the course of totally routine investigations. And if they find something that suggests, say, involvement in illegal drug activity, they can send that information to local or state police. That means information the NSA collects for purposes of so-called “national security” will be used by police to lock up ordinary Americans for routine crimes. And we don’t have to guess who’s going to suffer this unconstitutional indignity the most brutally. It’ll be Black, Brown, poor, immigrant, Muslim, and dissident Americans: the same people who are always targeted by law enforcement for extra “special” attention.

This basically formalizes what was already happening under the radar. We’ve known for a couple of years now that the Drug Enforcement Administration and the IRS were getting information from the NSA. Because that information was obtained without a warrant, the agencies were instructed to engage in “parallel construction” when explaining to courts and defense attorneys how the information had been obtained. If you think parallel construction just sounds like a bureaucratically sterilized way of saying big stinking lie, well, you wouldn’t be alone. And it certainly isn’t the only time that that national security apparatus has let law enforcement agencies benefit from policies that are supposed to be reserved for terrorism investigations in order to get around the Fourth Amendment, then instructed those law enforcement agencies to misdirect, fudge and outright lie about how they obtained incriminating information — see the Stingray debacle. This isn’t just a few rogue agents. The lying has been a matter of policy. We’re now learning that the feds had these agreements with police agencies all over thecountry, affecting thousands of cases.

On the one hand, I guess it’s better that this new data-sharing policy is acknowledged in the open instead of carried out surreptitiously. On the other hand, there’s something even more ominous about the fact that they no longer feel as though they need to hide it.

It’s all another sobering reminder that any powers we grant to the federal government for the purpose of national security will inevitably be used just about everywhere else. And extraordinary powers we grant government in wartime rarely go away once the war is over. And, of course, the nifty thing for government agencies about a “war on terrorism” is that it’s a war that will never formally end.

This is why I hate smart tvs, phones, meters, anything. We knew they could, but now they're just rubbing it in our faces. This is NOT America as intended.
Goddamned right it isn't. The Federal Government has overstepped its constitutional boundaries and needs to be put in its place- or replaced outright.

I HAVE CIVIL RIGHTS AND NO ONE MAY ABUSE THEM. NOT COPS, NOT GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, NOT THE MILITARY.
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
Related: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/obama-says-cannot-legal-case-apple-inc-223034884--finance.html

"AUSTIN, Texas (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama on Friday made a passionate case for mobile devices to be built in such a way as to allow government to gain access to personal data if needed to prevent a terrorist attack or enforce tax laws..............."
Later he brings up kiddie porn. So already we've gone from terrorism to tax evasion and kiddie porn


The courts have already upheld that the police can search your cell phone even for a traffic stop; some PD's already have the means to allow a cop you D/L your phone from his cruiser.
Wow, didn't know they could search your phone for a traffic stop. How is that not a blatant violation of search n seizure without due process?
 

dgthumb

Well-Known Member
Not sure but I think it has something to do with devices using readily available radio/wi-fi/mystery waves; no reasonable expectation of privacy.
Yea, with bluetooth within a certain range I can see this being plausible. On the same note, I can see some foil hatter just trying to stir the pot.
 

dgthumb

Well-Known Member
Also, there is a much stiffer fine if using your phone while driving, so there is that revenue aspect that benefits the cops
I don't use my phone while driving out of respect to the others on the road, same reason I don't drink and drive. I've seen way to many people swerving, weaving, making unsafe lane changes, get up next to em. Yup, phone in hand.... jerks.
 

justugh

Well-Known Member
u all called me nutz .........see i am not paranoid enough

call it ......orson wells 1984
now the ? for u is what are u going to do about it ......bitch and accept it or fight back (in the current laws while stock piling ammo fo the day they no longer police but they are enforcers )

buy your guns do not tell them u own them and stock pile 10,000 rounds for a rain day ( a good shotgun can be used for hunting or breaching a door /close in combat ) just matter of the round u load in chamber
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
Surprise! NSA data will soon routinely be used for domestic policing that has nothing to do with terrorism

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2016/03/10/surprise-nsa-data-will-soon-routinely-be-used-for-domestic-policing-that-has-nothing-to-do-with-terrorism/


A while back, we noted a report showing that the “sneak-and-peek” provision of the Patriot Act that was alleged to be used only in national security and terrorism investigations has overwhelmingly been used in narcotics cases. Now the New York Times reports that National Security Agency data will be shared with other intelligence agencies like the FBI without first applying any screens for privacy. The ACLU of Massachusetts blog Privacy SOS explains why this is important:

What does this rule change mean for you? In short, domestic law enforcement officials now have access to huge troves of American communications, obtained without warrants, that they can use to put people in cages. FBI agents don’t need to have any “national security” related reason to plug your name, email address, phone number, or other “selector” into the NSA’s gargantuan data trove. They can simply poke around in your private information in the course of totally routine investigations. And if they find something that suggests, say, involvement in illegal drug activity, they can send that information to local or state police. That means information the NSA collects for purposes of so-called “national security” will be used by police to lock up ordinary Americans for routine crimes. And we don’t have to guess who’s going to suffer this unconstitutional indignity the most brutally. It’ll be Black, Brown, poor, immigrant, Muslim, and dissident Americans: the same people who are always targeted by law enforcement for extra “special” attention.

This basically formalizes what was already happening under the radar. We’ve known for a couple of years now that the Drug Enforcement Administration and the IRS were getting information from the NSA. Because that information was obtained without a warrant, the agencies were instructed to engage in “parallel construction” when explaining to courts and defense attorneys how the information had been obtained. If you think parallel construction just sounds like a bureaucratically sterilized way of saying big stinking lie, well, you wouldn’t be alone. And it certainly isn’t the only time that that national security apparatus has let law enforcement agencies benefit from policies that are supposed to be reserved for terrorism investigations in order to get around the Fourth Amendment, then instructed those law enforcement agencies to misdirect, fudge and outright lie about how they obtained incriminating information — see the Stingray debacle. This isn’t just a few rogue agents. The lying has been a matter of policy. We’re now learning that the feds had these agreements with police agencies all over thecountry, affecting thousands of cases.

On the one hand, I guess it’s better that this new data-sharing policy is acknowledged in the open instead of carried out surreptitiously. On the other hand, there’s something even more ominous about the fact that they no longer feel as though they need to hide it.

It’s all another sobering reminder that any powers we grant to the federal government for the purpose of national security will inevitably be used just about everywhere else. And extraordinary powers we grant government in wartime rarely go away once the war is over. And, of course, the nifty thing for government agencies about a “war on terrorism” is that it’s a war that will never formally end.

This is why I hate smart tvs, phones, meters, anything. We knew they could, but now they're just rubbing it in our faces. This is NOT America as intended.
Absolute power corrupts, absolutely. This country has completely forgotten about that.
 

tyler.durden

Well-Known Member
Goddamned right it isn't. The Federal Government has overstepped its constitutional boundaries and needs to be put in its place- or replaced outright.

I HAVE CIVIL RIGHTS AND NO ONE MAY ABUSE THEM. NOT COPS, NOT GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, NOT THE MILITARY.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. - Thomas Jefferson


 
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