The Chinese Government Is Now Using Donald Trump As Proof That Democracy Doesn’t Work

[bearkat42]

Donald Trump isn’t just a threat to American democracy — he may also be hurting the prospects for democratic rule in the most populous nation on Earth. On Monday, China’s state-owned Global Times publishedan editorial that casts Trump as proof of democracy's inherent dangers. The piece opens with a description of the clashesbetween protesters and Trump supporters in Chicago Friday night.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/03/china-uses-trump-in-anti-democracy-propaganda.html?mid=twitter_dailyintelligencer

 

[Jimdamick]

They just essentially went along with world opinion,at this time, which shows that all the EU and the world (except Israel) is scared of the repercussions if Trump is elected. They merely put their own spin on it. Just more propaganda for their masses.

 

[texasjack]

I'd rather have a system that leads to riots than what they have.

 

[Rob Roy]

All coercion based governments must lie and use propaganda to maintain themselves.

A good point was made though, Democracy doesn't work. as it routinely necessarily subjugates a large number of people by its very nature.

Because a thing is "less evil" than another alternative does not provide evidence of its being good, it only provides evidence of it not being as shitty as the shittier alternatives.

 

[texasjack]

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Because a thing is "less evil" than another alternative does not provide evidence of its being good.

Yes it does. In the real world if there are only 2 systems the better one is inherently good since there is nothing better out there.

 

[Rob Roy]

Yes it does. In the real world if there are only 2 systems the better one is inherently good since there is nothing better out there.

False dichotomy. You have described a world where the ONLY choices amount to finding the "best master".

You have ignored the possibilities of "no masters" .

Even if the "no master" situation is presently forcibly supressed, it doesn't mean it will never exist.

By continuing to feed the "best master" dichotomy, you are making it more difficult for other more rational avenues, to emerge.

 

[texasjack]

False dichotomy. You have described a world where the ONLY choices amount to finding the "best master".

You have ignored the possibilities of "no masters" .

Even if the "no master" situation is presently forcibly supressed, it doesn't mean it will never exist.

By continuing to feed the "best master" dichotomy, you are making it more difficult for other more rational avenues, to emerge.

I don't consider anarchy to be anywhere near a good choice but thanks for playing.

 

[bluntmassa1]

Communism does not work either so basically the world is fucked.

Why can't we all just run amuck? All they want to do is control us no matter what form of government ain't no government in freedom. Fucking legal gambling that is rigged so the government is the only winner!! Fuck is wrong with holding a high stakes poker game in NY? Fucking hookers? Slanging drugs? Doing drugs? No need for cops someone fucks up I'll put the mother fucker down or beat him down depending on the offense.

We did just fine with pitch forks and torches. Lol, Before the bitch ass feds came in we had a decent country you could do anything before prohibition that's what made the fucking Mafia their was no 5 families before prohibition!!

 

[Rob Roy]

I don't consider anarchy to be anywhere near a good choice but thanks for playing.

Except Panarchy does not disallow choice.

Most other forms of governance do, disallow choice.

This is irrefutable by the way.

 

[texasjack]

Except Panarchy does not disallow choice.

Most other forms of governance do, disallow choice.

This is irrefutable by the way.

Choices are irrelevant if you can simply be clubbed to death by the village strongman.

 

[Rob Roy]

Choices are irrelevant if you can simply be clubbed to death by the village strongman.

Well what a coincidence, it appears neither of us is a fan of thugs with clubs.

In one scenario (yours) thugs are virtual certainty, in the other scenario (mine) it is wholly conjecture.

 

[dgthumb]

All coercion based governments must lie and use propaganda to maintain themselves.

A good point was made though, Democracy doesn't work. as it routinely necessarily subjugates a large number of people by its very nature.

Because a thing is "less evil" than another alternative does not provide evidence of its being good, it only provides evidence of it not being as shitty as the shittier alternatives.

That's how I feel about voting period. We're not picking "the best" candidate, were just choosing the "lesser of two evils"

 

[Rob Roy]

That's how I feel about voting period. We're not picking "the best" candidate, were just choosing the "lesser of two evils"

Exactly. It creates a thing called the ratchet effect and continues the incremental march toward less and less personal and economic freedom.

People end up forging their own chains.

 

[NLXSK1]

Donald Trump isn’t just a threat to American democracy — he may also be hurting the prospects for democratic rule in the most populous nation on Earth. On Monday, China’s state-owned Global Times publishedan editorial that casts Trump as proof of democracy's inherent dangers. The piece opens with a description of the clashesbetween protesters and Trump supporters in Chicago Friday night.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/03/china-uses-trump-in-anti-democracy-propaganda.html?mid=twitter_dailyintelligencer

First of all, the press isnt free in China. Their STATE OWNED press came out and said Trump is bad.

It doesnt take a PHD to realize that they dont want him fucking with the massive trade imbalance between the US and China. So yeah, they aint fans.

 

[Rob Roy]

First of all, the press isnt free in China. Their STATE OWNED press came out and said Trump is bad.

It doesnt take a PHD to realize that they dont want him fucking with the massive trade imbalance between the US and China. So yeah, they aint fans.

A trade imbalance is not the issue and is a diversion used to create nationalism and gain populist support.

Free trade brings prosperity and peace. Trade restrictions and sanctions aren't in place to benefit the average joe in the long run, despite the belief that they are.

The Chinese control their media, so does the USA, just in a different way. Kill your television.

 

[NLXSK1]

A trade imbalance is not the issue and is a diversion used to create nationalism and gain populist support.

Free trade brings prosperity and peace. Trade restrictions and sanctions aren't in place to benefit the average joe in the long run, despite the belief that they are.

The Chinese control their media, so does the USA, just in a different way. Kill your television.

It isnt the trade imbalance that is the problem. It is the government manipulating the currency. Do you think trade is free right now? My TV hasnt been on for days. Check your assumptions at the door.

China doesnt like Trump. China's STATE OWNED media came out against Trump. Bearkat is acting like is is a political movement or something when it is simply political propaganda. You jumped right on that bus I see.

 

[Rob Roy]

It isnt the trade imbalance that is the problem. It is the government manipulating the currency. Do you think trade is free right now? My TV hasnt been on for days. Check your assumptions at the door.

China doesnt like Trump. China's STATE OWNED media came out against Trump. Bearkat is acting like is is a political movement or something when it is simply political propaganda. You jumped right on that bus I see.

Nope, I didn't jump on the propaganda bus, I am more of a none of the above flying car kind of guy.

Currency issues are certainly a problem, but they are not the ONLY problem.

Free trade? The only significant trade that is free is the black market and that has skewed pricing due to the illegality. So no, there aren't many real free markets, the presence of government intervention makes that self evident.

I'm glad you killed your television. I will take your advice and check my assumptions.

 

[NLXSK1]

Nope, I didn't jump on the propaganda bus, I am more of a none of the above flying car kind of guy.

Currency issues are certainly a problem, but they are not the ONLY problem.

Free trade? The only significant trade that is free is the black market and that has skewed pricing due to the illegality. So no, there aren't many real free markets, the presence of government intervention makes that self evident.

I'm glad you killed your television. I will take your advice and check my assumptions.

Of course they are 'not the only problem', we can agree on that.

The point I was making however was that China doesnt like Trump because he would address issues that are currently balanced in their favor.

We do have a free press. It allows itself to be manipulated but certainly has more flexibility than the Chinese press which is simply a division of the government.

 

[bearkat42]

Of course they are 'not the only problem', we can agree on that.

The point I was making however was that China doesnt like Trump because he would address issues that are currently balanced in their favor.

We do have a free press. It allows itself to be manipulated but certainly has more flexibility than the Chinese press which is simply a division of the government.

 

[NLXSK1]

So he is going to confront the Chinese and make his own goods more expensive to sell. Maybe he is looking out for the country after all. He is the only one who has not had to beg for millions of dollars from donors with agenda's.