As veterans' pot prescriptions rise tenfold in 2 years, Ottawa asks questions

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"Minister of Veterans Affairs Kent Hehr says he wants answers following a spike in the number of veterans turning to the government to pay for their medically prescribed marijuana.

In 2013-14, 112 veterans were reimbursed for medical marijuana, according to figures provided by Veterans Affairs. The next year, it was 628. Now, in just the first nine months of the 2015-16 fiscal year, it's shot up to 1,320.
"I immediately launched an internal review" after being briefed on the issue in early March, said Hehr.
"The fact that the former government let this program evolve from 2007 onward without a policy, an informed policy based on the wellness of veterans and their families, frankly shocked me."

The federal government sets a limit of how much pot it will pay for: 10 grams a day. What's less clear is why veterans are using medical marijuana, because the department says it doesn't track the underlying conditions behind the prescriptions.

Some veterans say they are using it to help with post-traumatic stress disorder. Sylvain Chartrand, director of the group Canadians Veterans Advocacy, ingests his cannabis via a marijuana butter that he mixes into hot chocolate.
Veterans Affairs Minister Kent Hehr says his department is looking into the use of medical marijuana among veterans to better understand what conditions the drug is being used to treat. (Fred Chartrand/Canadian Press)

"I need it for my PTSD. I don't sleep. For my anxiety. For depression," said Chartrand, who served in Cyprus in 1990 and Bosnia in 1993.

Veterans Affairs isn't involved in prescribing marijuana. Veterans consult their doctor and Blue Cross processes the claims.

However, giving pot to veterans with post-traumatic stress disorder directly contradicts the military's stance on the issue. In a statement, the Canadian Forces said there's not enough proof to authorize marijuana as a treatment for PTSD and that some evidence suggests it could be harmful.

Why the increase?
The veterans affairs minister wouldn't weigh in on what might be behind the growing number of prescriptions.

"I've asked my staff to go about this internal review, look at the use of marijuana for medical purposes, establish what is in the best interest of my veterans."

Chartrand isn't convinced that more prescriptions actually means more veterans are using pot.
"Yes, there's an influx, but people were using it before and just not getting paid for it," he said.
The Conservatives say they're concerned about whether the number of prescriptions is too high and whether it's taxpayer money well spent.

"It's very worrying," said defence critic Pierre Paul-Hus. "What we're doing is we're taking our veterans and saying we're going to give you a joint of marijuana, that's going to help your problems. I don't think it's the solution."

When asked why the previous government didn't take action despite reports of increased use, Paul-Hus suggested the "major" increase in the number of prescriptions is clear now.

The increased claims also come with an increased cost. From April 1 to Dec. 31, 2015, the bill for veterans' medical marijuana added up to $12.1 million.
Hehr hopes the internal review will be completed in the next couple of months."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/veterans-marijuana-bill-forces-1.3487516
 

CannaReview

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It's very worrying," said defence critic Pierre Paul-Hus. "What we're doing is we're taking our veterans and saying we're going to give you a joint of marijuana, that's going to help your problems. I don't think it's the solution."
Yah his solution is to ignore them long enough that maybe they'll dissapear and feed them drugs that will make them in zombies.
 

torontomeds

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What a bag of shit this guy is. Ummm they use it because you made them do shitty things and now they can not sleep, eat, even have a social life because they suffer from trauma. I have been using Cannabis for PTSD and a few other reasons for a long time, it really does help, clearly if the Vets are saying it works it must work, clearly a lot of people say it works for PTSD, so here is a crazy idea "Maybe it works" not saying it works for all people, but it clearly does work for some people, I got into it with my Dr last time I visited him because he wanted me to take like 3 or 4 different pills for my PTSD, I told him that the Cannabis has been fine for more then half my life, why switch now??? he had no real answer other then I should try his pills, I declined, he declined to renew my MMPR script, seeing as I had a pink already, I just went back to growing, what a douche this guy is still at this moment running a pill/cannabis mill style clinic, he charges people for Cannabis scripts for only 3 months at a time, then bills ohip as well, what a tool. Anyways I am a grown ass man, like I really need his approval for something that has been working longer then this guy has been a dr in Canada(he is foreign) only been in Canada for like 3 years, how the hell can he know about Cannabis as a med, when this is a western thing? the place he came from is very anti Cannabis. What a schmuck........
 

Olive Drab Green

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"What's less clear is why veterans are using medical marijuana, because the department says it doesn't track the underlying conditions behind the prescriptions."


I started using marijuana at 22-23 for PTSD resulting from combat in Afghanistan, for which I am retired. This guy clearly has never suffered in his life, especially in the ways some of us who actually have served have suffered, if he's going to question why we need it.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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Maybe the reason for more soldiers choosing mmj is because it is a safer alternative to prescription drugs. What a crazy concept. As for it being covered by ONLY taxpayer funded health insurance, while the rest of us are forced to fend for ourselves...that needs to end. It either applies to everyone or no one at all...same rules for everyone.
 

gb123

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I read it somewhere that it said the feds pay half, so the vets order twice as much and sell half in order to not have to pay for their script.
..unforeseen government regulated crap!!!
 

doingdishes

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Maybe the reason for more soldiers choosing mmj is because it is a safer alternative to prescription drugs. What a crazy concept. As for it being covered by ONLY taxpayer funded health insurance, while the rest of us are forced to fend for ourselves...that needs to end. It either applies to everyone or no one at all...same rules for everyone.
it's all up to the insurer if they'll cover it. not all Blue Cross plans will cover MMJ
i have SunLife and they told me that it's whatever package your employer chooses. if my work says "cover it" then i would be covered. i doubt they will though
 

VIANARCHRIS

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it's all up to the insurer if they'll cover it. not all Blue Cross plans will cover MMJ
i have SunLife and they told me that it's whatever package your employer chooses. if my work says "cover it" then i would be covered. i doubt they will though
Hmmm...seems the only time it is covered is when the taxpayer is paying the bill. Most of those receiving this benefit are also receiving a government pension (earned and deserved) that exceeds what most get on disability, so are better able to pay. If the coverage is too rich for private sector health plans, it's too rich for taxpayers.
 

gb123

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The federal government sets a limit of how much pot it will pay for: 10 grams a day. Bungay says that equates to about $2,000 per month. WHAT PATIENT HAS THAT TO SPEND???

10 grams a day to smoke... and what if the person has cancer as well?
I could easily see older gentlemen selling half of his stash/day, to add some spending cash to an already dim retirement picture! :)
 

VIANARCHRIS

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I just had a thought...What are the chances Veteran's Affairs starts offering to pay for the costs to set up gardens for mmj vets? It would be cheaper to give a one-time payment than pay $2000/mo. I'm sure it's being discussed....
 

Medipuffs

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I just had a thought...What are the chances Veteran's Affairs starts offering to pay for the costs to set up gardens for mmj vets? It would be cheaper to give a one-time payment than pay $2000/mo. I'm sure it's being discussed....
they should have community garden style co-ops in the basement of the legionnaires clubs the old guys frequent for beers and allow them to get their hands dirty as therapy in their own gardens and for those who cannot it should be given to them (all subsidized by the gov of course since they are already paying off the mmpr failures). gives them something to do as well as puts their health in their own hands and for a bunch of individuals who suffer from ptsd it would be good for them to connect with nature and feel the relief and pride you get from growing your own crop
 

VIANARCHRIS

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they should have community garden style co-ops in the basement of the legionnaires clubs the old guys frequent for beers and allow them to get their hands dirty as therapy in their own gardens and for those who cannot it should be given to them (all subsidized by the gov of course since they are already paying off the mmpr failures). gives them something to do as well as puts their health in their own hands and for a bunch of individuals who suffer from ptsd it would be good for them to connect with nature and feel the relief and pride you get from growing your own crop
Good idea-never gonna happen. My dad was president of a legion where they fought to ban a vet from using mmj outside in the smoking area. Legions are non-profits controlled by board members...mostly old military guys who equate mmj to heroin.
 

doingdishes

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i would be afraid of a co-op set up under a few circumstances-could someone blame you for a crop failure? what if they couldn't make it to water...if you say yes to helping like that once, you will always have to say yes.
i think a "U Grow" co-op would be great and fun but what about the lazy people? those are the ones that would ruin it. they'd blame "you" for their short comings
 

Medipuffs

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i would be afraid of a co-op set up under a few circumstances-could someone blame you for a crop failure? what if they couldn't make it to water...if you say yes to helping like that once, you will always have to say yes.
i think a "U Grow" co-op would be great and fun but what about the lazy people? those are the ones that would ruin it. they'd blame "you" for their short comings
I figure they propably wouldn't know how to grow right away but they were able to receive military training and earn their credentials therefore im sure they are able to pick up skills if they are presented in a manner that was comfortable for them to understand. In that case i was thinking they would have somebody on the Legion payroll to tend to the gardens and teach the vets how to get their hands dirty. Same as the bartender upstairs haha they would have somebody oversee everything for those that are disabled or unreliable schedule wise or unfortunately "lazy". I would like to think that if they were able to enjoy the experience it would be beneficial for some and those that don't like the gardening part could still receive their medication and have a look at the beautiful nature of cannabis as its grow organically once in a while.

I know it will never happen but it would be nice :)
 
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