Have any of you DIY COB Growers finished a crop under 1000W DE HPS? - POLL

[Michael Huntherz]

Yeah they get nasty really quick if you try to debate based on facts rather than fiction.

You're smart about certain things, but perhaps not others. I haven't ignored you, yet, go get some context for that and try again. A lot of people are tired of you and ignored you long ago, I see you're educated about the botany of it all, much more than myself, so I'm waiting to see if you really have hate in your heart or can choose to be reasonable. I chose to be rude to trippyness for a reason, you can disagree with that, but 90% of my comments are actually constructive and thoughtful, I just get tired when people only want to argue and run in circles.

- edited; so I'm less of a rude cock myself.

 

[Abiqua]

what happens to dead flesh when frozen...a: it turns purple. its science. remember. shitbrick.

@satleave

 

[Sativied]

You have an odd way of saying thanks after I schooled you... again. That sig man.... You went full potato... sad.

You're smart about certain things, but perhaps not others. I haven't ignored you, go get some context for that and try again, big guy.

What are you talking about ignoring? Try what again? It appears you are not in a position to judge smartness so so much for the compliment. Context is how fast led fans derail a thread with personal attacks and overall douchebag behavior (and then cry to mods when someone treats them like they act...) out of a shortage of valid arguments. See this thread... As in this one. Mofos making comments about people's moms... Or see post above, tiny little miniature nano dude.

Let's get back on topic and try to behave like adults.

 

[a mongo frog]

You're smart about certain things, but perhaps not others. I haven't ignored you, yet, go get some context for that and try again. A lot of people are tired of you and ignored you long ago, I see you're educated about the botany of it all, much more than myself, so I'm waiting to see if you really have hate in your heart or can choose to be reasonable. I chose to be rude to trippyness for a reason, you can disagree with that, but 90% of my comments are actually constructive and thoughtful, I just get tired when people only want to argue and run in circles.

- edited; so I'm less of a rude cock myself.

But really theres no reason to put people on ignore or be dicks to them just because they'd rather use an hps bulb. And sometimes when we talk led vs hps people start to be dicks to people. On both sides, no just one or the other.

 

[ttystikk]

But really theres no reason to put people on ignore or be dicks to them just because they'd rather use an hps bulb. And sometimes when we talk led vs hps people start to be dicks to people. On both sides, no just one or the other.

Remaining above the fray is a difficult high wire act sometimes, I can't say I manage it 100%.

 

[Greengenes707]

So cool, you have nothing to do but nit pick. You pick one pic of a half filled led side with the full hps, with plants looking the same under both as far as signs of cold or def, but only want to talk about the led. I said he had more to fill the room and make it even.
I'm so glad to see you grasping at straws when a real and valid example is put up. It's really funny to see you squirm for nothing. Have I ever told you what to use, or what you do is wrong. Have you ever seen me say hps is shit, or sucks, or is horrible...? you never will, and I tip my hat to all well done grows, big or small. But you can not do that. you reach for any little hole...while showing nothing. I have nothing to hide and will not stick to only showing the biggest and best when across the board the results speak for themselves.

So you guys will continue this dick measuring contest with no end...cool...what is your goal??

Meanwhile...I'll be helping people fill their room with highly efficient and effective LED grow lights that are better than anything else offered regardless of tech. You don't have to believe it. Your belief has nothing to do with our shared reality. And in that the results stand.
I have results...you have opinions.

 

[Michael Huntherz]

But really theres no reason to put people on ignore or be dicks to them just because they'd rather use an hps bulb. And sometimes when we talk led vs hps people start to be dicks to people. On both sides, no just one or the other.

I agree with that.

Let's get back on topic and try to behave like adults.

OK, we can do that.

Aww, hugs!

idgaf what light people use, but COB growing will be the standard sooner rather than later, because they are the best technology for it. Period.

 

[BOBBY_G]

However, warehouses get really cold, so this is where it goes down hill.

what if they used the pile of old hps fixtures in the corner. theyre pretty efficient as heaters - upwards of 60%

 

[cdgmoney250]

As well, as of yet I am yet to see a COB pull more than a DE.
Please provide sources if true. Watt for watt.

These are the results from my very first grow under this setup. I personally believe that there is for improvement via better training.

light tech: DIY 50x Bridgelux Vero 29 Ver. 2/ Ledil Angelina 90 deg Reflector
distance from canopy: 14" - 18"
wattage: 3125 Watts (50x Vero 29 @ 1.4A)
SF and layout: 4.5' x 13.5' (61 sq ft)
strain: mostly Snow Cap and a few 707 Headband
yield: 9.83 lbs (4452g)
GPW: 1.42
G/SF: 72.98
wall W/SF: 51.22
estimated PAR W/SF: ??? 850-1050 PPFD with Apogee PAR Meter

Notes: Plants were double trellised scrog and NOTdefoliated.
Organic soil in 15 gal smart pots. Nectar for the Gods Nutrient's.

This same light setup can be made using 2300w for the same price I paid 9 months ago, with current tech.

 

[a mongo frog]

These are the results from my very first grow under this setup. I personally believe that there is for improvement via better training.

light tech: DIY 50x Bridgelux Vero 29 Ver. 2/ Ledil Angelina 90 deg Reflector
distance from canopy: 14" - 18"
wattage: 3125 Watts (50x Vero 29 @ 1.4A)
SF and layout: 4.5' x 13.5' (61 sq ft)
strain: mostly Snow Cap and a few 707 Headband
yield: 9.83 lbs (4452g)
GPW: 1.42
G/SF: 72.98
wall W/SF: 51.22
estimated PAR W/SF: ??? 850-1050 PPFD with Apogee PAR Meter

Notes: Plants were double trellised scrog and NOTdefoliated.
Organic soil in 15 gal smart pots. Nectar for the Gods Nutrient's.

This same light setup can be made using 2300w for the same price I paid 9 months ago, with current tech.

Did you document this grow on here? Because this sounds like some sort of record setting shit.

 

[Sativied]

OK, we can do that.

Aww, hugs!

Just noticed the edit... And the edit reason. Didn't work out man, on the contrary. Pretending "a lot" of butthurt bullshitters ignoring me says anything about me or should even concern me - just as your judgement about me after justifying your own comments like that - is... unhuggable. Mongo is not entirely correct, it usually is the led sekt who start being dicks. It's very classic. Ad hominem.

I personally don't care who or what you are, nor about your tone, I care about the topic, about arguments and conclusions, sharing and learning knowledge.

"I just get tired when people only want to argue and run in circles."
You're telling me? Have you even read this thread?

what if they used the pile of old hps fixtures in the corner. theyre pretty efficient as heaters - upwards of 60%

Don't forget the effectiveness of the IR and also the yellow light penetrating better through lack of absorbance.

 

[Michael Huntherz]

Just noticed the edit... And the edit reason. Didn't work out man, on the contrary. Pretending "a lot" of butthurt bullshitters ignoring me says anything about me or should even concern me - just as your judgement about me after justifying your own comments like that - is... unhuggable. Mongo is not entirely correct, it usually is the led sekt who start being dicks. It's very classic. Ad hominem.

I personally don't care who or what you are, nor about your tone, I care about the topic, about arguments and conclusions, sharing and learning knowledge.

"I just get tired when people only want to argue and run in circles."
You're telling me? Have you even read this thread?


Don't forget the effectiveness of the IR and also the yellow light penetrating better through lack of absorbance.

It seems you already know everything, congratulations, you lovely fellow.

 

[PSUAGRO.]

That's almost like saying hey I bought a Chinese car once so all cars are junk....... Sorry but scientific fact is on the cob led side. There is no debate. Meters don't lie. Neither do integrating spheres. You know the tool that real Grow light manufacturers and university's use. I'm surely not trying to be a smart ass but unfortunately our arguments are based on facts not fiction. In a year or less we will all look back at this thread and laugh. I'm sure when the chain saw was invented Paul Bunyan said they where junk and he was better. Maybe he was better than the first iteration of the chain saw. Well we are in the age of Stihl chainsaws now. No man on earth can compete. Such is the way of technology. There will always be a newer better way.

This conversation should have been over long ago, some people just like to fight...........gavita pro 1000e DE was tested many times in a sphere, we know the #s and reflector losses it suffers(1.5-1.7ppf/w)=== FACT

Commercial led fixtures hitting over 2ppf/w, in spheres ==== FACT, cobs will up this # when we get the tests back

IR negating HPS's reflector losses=== NOT FACT, cat theory

Plants looking "different" under leds means it's a negative=== NOT FACT, feline theory

Living in Holland makes you a indoor lighting expert=== NOT FACT, pussy theory

Failing math, thermodynamics, ROI calculations===NOT FACT, RIU theories

 

[testiclees]

You have an odd way of saying thanks after I schooled you... again. That sig man.... You went full potato... sad.


What are you talking about ignoring? Try what again? It appears you are not in a position to judge smartness so so much for the compliment. Context is how fast led fans derail a thread with personal attacks and overall douchebag behavior (and then cry to mods when someone treats them like they act...) out of a shortage of valid arguments. See this thread... As in this one. Mofos making comments about people's moms... Or see post above, tiny little miniature nano dude.

Let's get back on topic and try to behave like adults.

You drop an arrogant juvenile load of mindless bullshit then suggest "behave like adults" that's why you're regarded as a tiresome ass

 

[BOBBY_G]

what if they used the pile of old hps fixtures in the corner. theyre pretty efficient as heaters - upwards of 60%

seriously. i see the lowly grow tech huddled under a gavita in the breakroom, beads of sweat rolling off his tanned forehead. think about it. youd NEVER have to flush in the bathroom again - who would know the water is yellow?

 

[Rahz]

It's a difficult argument that COBs run too cool. They actually put off a good bit of heat (although I wouldn't mind if they were more efficient than they already are). It seems to me that if the grow area needs to be heated, something's not being done right. Besides that, a heating element isn't the most efficient way to produce heat.

 

[Michael Huntherz]

It's a difficult argument that COBs run too cool. They actually put off a good bit of heat (although I wouldn't mind if they were more efficient than they already are). It seems to me that if the grow area needs to be heated, something's not being done right. Besides that, a heating element isn't the most efficient way to produce heat.

I think raising the "might have to heat the warehouse" argument is lunacy, misrepresented as a defect when it is actually a benefit.

One would only gain more control over the environment; As one's lighting becomes more efficient there is less of a difference to compensate for via HVAC.

Paper bags, think your way out of them.

@Rahz I am agreeing with you, I think. I'm not sure I understand your post completely, but I think we're on the same page.

 

[Rahz]

Yea, same idea. In a large scale operation the rate and direction of air exchange can be used to regulate canopy temperatures. Even at 65% efficient, a 10x10 area using 2000 watts will produce 700 watts of heat, plus the light conversion warming the canopy. But if nothing else... increase the wattage. The worst you can do is get more light for the same amount of heat.

Beyond that, a warehouse with poor insulation, high ceiling, and a drop in bulb replacement scheme might have some issues but it wouldn't be smart to only consider alternative lighting that works as a drop in replacement. To change the bulb and nothing else might not be the smartest strategy. I agree with you, thinking beyond the bulb there are benefits. Tiered systems can be built around LED to produce much higher g/ft and use less floor space. Insulation can be added, or a building with decent insulation can be rented.

 

[cdgmoney250]

Did you document this grow on here? Because this sounds like some sort of record setting shit.

No, I haven't done a journal or anything.
But I have been telling people about what I plan on doing, and posting pictures in different threads along the way. I believe I already referenced my results in this thread a few times.

And yes, in my circles at least, it was some record setting shit.

That's why I keep refuting what the HID Heads keep jabbering about... Because truly, they have no idea WTF they are talking about.

I built this light with zero intention of saving any watts, and I'm as happy as a pig in shit with it.

 

[a mongo frog]

No, I haven't done a journal or anything.
But I have been telling people about what I plan on doing, and posting pictures in different threads along the way. I believe I already referenced my results in this thread a few times.

And yes, in my circles at least, it was some record setting shit.

That's why I keep refuting what the HID Heads keep jabbering about... Because truly, they have no idea WTF they are talking about.

I built this light with zero intention of saving any watts, and I'm as happy as a pig in shit with it.

Can you talk a little about veg times and training you did? Because this may reflect more on the gardener then the lights, something we never talk about in these threads. Do you have any pics of the head band?