Gorilla Bubble from Tonygreens Tortured Beans

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tonygreen

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BX1F1 is a full-sib cross from a same BX1 line.

I have chosen to use "the dude" as the father and I selected a BX1 female that exhibited many fine traits and was a very good hybrid, similar to what I saw in the original F1 with even distribution of traits.
She carries the added structure trait, "the dude" was a pure gg4 leaning selection.

By making a "F1" from two GB BX we are going to get homozygosity on many gene pairs that will be missed every time by BXing alone.

Simple BX over and over will cause your traits to segregate! Their is no way to recover the original genome by bxing alone!
The BX2 will have many homozygous genes, the BX1F1 will have many more ;p

I expect to begin recreating the uniformity of the F1 but with homozygous gene pairs instead of perfect heterozygosity exhibited in the F1.

In short you can expect these plants to breed true for several traits with reliability.

And the good thing is we have several "leads" with lines pointing in slightly different ways within the family, If I fuck up I got options, but like I say the math has been good to me...

BX1F1 yeah... I got a feeling...
 
eastcoastmo

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tonygreen said:
As we feel out the family we have run it out into several different lines. The BX and the Filials are becoming more different, with the filials becoming super sour bubble phenos with increased vigor and branching. Anyone who has grown sour bubble can say what a pita she is with veg speed but the smoke is out of this world on the best phenos. In the filial you will find mainly sour bubble type plants all with increased branching, topping response and for those who have grown pure sour bubble you will find the vigor is greatly increased to the point its back to normalcy. They breed true for the massive structural "trunks" and thick branches, I believe the branching trait may be locked as well. The F4's will be out sometime after this next drop.

The BX alone can only make so many gene pairs homozygous. By Bxing alone you will never come close to recovering the complete genotype.
The BX1F1 will make some gene pairs homozygous that are simply not possible by bxing alone, no matter how many times you do it.

That being said look for the BX2 to be a scroggers dream. As you can look back and see "the dude" had an insane calyx to leaf ratio. You will find more glue leaners for sure but not so much of the structural support as the filials. Alot of people will be happy to have glue genes in seed form. They will be much more reliable than gg4 s1 have proven to be for recovering the glue genotype in a reg line.

The BX1F1 should have more support structure than BX2, we look for and a more open structure than the filials. Perhaps more like the original F1 but with more vigor, branching and better calyx to leaf ratio. The math looks good, ;p Should be a very nice hybrid. I am very excited about these. If I had to bet my money something special will come out of them. As I said more genes will be homozygous than possible with BX alone...
Im gonna be looking to see what people find out of them,,, BXing your shit to death is not the answer just another tool... You can never truly recover the genotype by bxing alone!
I think these may be closer to recovering the genotype and improving the genotype (support structure). We'll see. TBH the math aint let me down yet...


You will find these lines for the next release will breed true for several traits. Resin production and branching is locked in. your outcrosses will benefit from the homozygous gene pairs we have been creating!

By working the line extensively we get to see all the different ways the traits manifest. We also give ourselves options and the ability to do quality evaluations and see how the math behind the project manifests itself in reality.
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That's some great info Tony, thanks for taking the time to respond :)
 
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Couldn't have explained it any better than that. Appreciate that info man truly it's always good to learn. I always wondered stuff like that in breeding and that gives a some clarity to crosses like that. You killed this all I have to say great eye for breeding. I see the stronger branching def not like GG#4 lol you don't have to be like these others out here who just chuck and go. Keep doing what your doing like this I think it will be more satisfying for you
 
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akhiymjames said:
Couldn't have explained it any better than that. Appreciate that info man truly it's always good to learn. I always wondered stuff like that in breeding and that gives a some clarity to crosses like that. You killed this all I have to say great eye for breeding. I see the stronger branching def not like GG#4 lol you don't have to be like these others out here who just chuck and go. Keep doing what your doing like this I think it will be more satisfying for you
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pretty complex stuff for me all these breeding techniques, i would need to go to an actual class & learn how to do it, love to learn how to do it properly, but for now, its just basic pollen chucks & hopes for the best outcome
 
eastcoastmo

eastcoastmo

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akhiymjames said:
Couldn't have explained it any better than that. Appreciate that info man truly it's always good to learn. I always wondered stuff like that in breeding and that gives a some clarity to crosses like that. You killed this all I have to say great eye for breeding. I see the stronger branching def not like GG#4 lol you don't have to be like these others out here who just chuck and go. Keep doing what your doing like this I think it will be more satisfying for you
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I'm totally frothing to get these beans hey, looks like some solid hard work has gone into working it :-D
 
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Thanks for the support guys! Trying to be different than other breeders. The harvest date will be included in the cards. Should help out the bean hoarders some! I won't ever just cross and dump so it may take longer for releases but I hope they are worth it. Hell I have access to many cup winners but I gotta stay true to my style so no twenty one-off drops.
 
eastcoastmo

eastcoastmo

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You dont want to see my handwriting guys so... lol
I wanted the green to be glow in the dark but my wife was like "how old are you" !!
Next time I am gonna slip it in lol...
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Mate, it's so good to have you on here, you sound like a real stand up bloke and I know I appreciate it! It's good to meet a breeder who is open about their practices and hasn't sold out to the newest fad. Keep up the good work my friend, we're all watching intently!
 
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