Terpenes enhancement and manipulation

[TomIke]

Somethings you dont have to test to know its bullshit...like turning lead into gold.Its totally contrary to the rules of nature.Go read a basic botany text on root ion absorption,and you will understand why this cant happen.

Once you attach the word "science" it must be true. Can you personally do this science, not just read the book?

 

[TomIke]

NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! I have had enough of you all. You just want to be wiki warriors and key board gangsters. I was going to give you guys my formulas and share the info but you all just want to hijack someones info and call it your own. I gave you all the info its in the posts. Do your own research and spend the next two years doing you own trial and error. To think I was almost dumb enough to be cool and share but I see now you all just want to be skeptical. If you are not received you dust the dirt off your feet and never look back. So have a nice day all. That is all I am willing to share on the info. You add all kinds of shit to your grow already and you are complaining about natural plant matter. Give me a break, what world do you live in death is my set. Guess my religion. lol

I've been a member here for several years. I mostly just read. Rarely, I throw in my 2 cents. Overall, there is much negativity here. Still, if one person is helped it is worth the effort. I'll stay around, mostly reading. We can get along, but it does take a considerable amount of self-control. Peace to you my brothers.

 

[Resinhound]

Once you attach the word "science" it must be true. Can you personally do this science, not just read the book?

Go turn lead into gold...I dont care,you wont be successful and neither will he.The op stated at the beginning of this thread he was going to change cannabis cultivation as we know it.And reading a book is a good place to start.After you are done reading and digest the FACTS,you can try not to feel stupid..but that wont work either.Unsubscribing from this nonsense,just more bullshit stoner pseudo science.

 

[GrowerGoneWild]

OP had a suggestion to try, you don't have to try. Why so much bashing?

Adulteration and manipulation isn't the same thing. He's not willing to post a procedure to replicate the terpene enhancement.

Its bad science, period. If I think its wrong, I'll call bullshit on it.

 

[GrowerGoneWild]

I've been a member here for several years. I mostly just read. Rarely, I throw in my 2 cents. Overall, there is much negativity here. Still, if one person is helped it is worth the effort. I'll stay around, mostly reading. We can get along, but it does take a considerable amount of self-control. Peace to you my brothers.

I would hope that people would correct me if I'm wrong in my concepts. I will take intellectual honesty over warm and fuzzy feelings. I can't improve or others if we cant call bullshit on each other.

Peace to you too..

 

[TrimothyLeary]

You can't enhance terpenes with adulterants. That would simply be adding flavors, which may or may not alter the overall flavor or scent, but the terpenes would be unaffected. That's genetics and response to environment. If putting stuff in the ground made weed taste like the stuff you're putting in the ground, my weed would taste like bat shit and seaweed.(It doesn't. My last harvest tastes like Pina colada.)

Since you're not changing the terpene profile, just the flavor/scent (doubtful, but let's just assume so for the sake of argument,) there would be no change in effect on the user.

It was probably mentioned already, but, mangoes and lemon grass don't work. They're also junk science.(Their effect enhancing effect, I mean.)

But seriously OP, if you're interested in something better grounded in objective science, but still completely hypothetical, check out my little article on insect herbivory impacting terpene production. On my facebook.

Again, it's likely not a feasible way to enhance a terpene profile, but it's better than putting oil in your water.

 

[jayjay777]

My wife n inlaws argue for months at a time too. Where is the love...

O ya, Who got kicked from icmag n why lol?

 

[qwizoking]

Dude i got kicked from a weed forum before coming here for posting studies proving a mod wrong.. what was him name like burnt toast or some shit

 

[jayjay777]

I was just curious, ive been looking into terpene development lately n see this thread, I began to read n seen the argument start, then I noticed it was like 4 months ago lol. So I clicked on page 8 n it looks like 8 pages of arguing... I couldnt care less...

So your theory is essential oils, specifucally eucalyptus will raise terpene production?

 

[Dr. Who]

You can't enhance terpenes with adulterants. That would simply be adding flavors, which may or may not alter the overall flavor or scent, but the terpenes would be unaffected. That's genetics and response to environment. If putting stuff in the ground made weed taste like the stuff you're putting in the ground, my weed would taste like bat shit and seaweed.(It doesn't. My last harvest tastes like Pina colada.)

Since you're not changing the terpene profile, just the flavor/scent (doubtful, but let's just assume so for the sake of argument,) there would be no change in effect on the user.

It was probably mentioned already, but, mangoes and lemon grass don't work. They're also junk science.(Their effect enhancing effect, I mean.)

But seriously OP, if you're interested in something better grounded in objective science, but still completely hypothetical, check out my little article on insect herbivory impacting terpene production. On my facebook.

Again, it's likely not a feasible way to enhance a terpene profile, but it's better than putting oil in your water.

WRONG!

K sulfate WILL change the terp profile by enhancing all terp output!!! If you have a "fruity" smelling or tasting strain. K sulfate will make it more citrus smelling and tasting!
Mg sulfate will do the same but to a lessor extent and adds a bit to the "fruity" side. It's more "neutral" but does increase terp output!
Gen Hydro uses differing concentrations of each to get differing results (along with other ingr.)....

The point being is that you CAN increase terp/trich production. This has an effect on the smell and taste outcome by the simple increase of the terp profile. Like I said above, by increasing the overall or even nonspecific one end of the spectrum terps. You effect the smell and taste profile....

You CAN NOT add "flavorings" like essence's or oil's and get that to transfer to the plant! In fact, your hurting the plant with alcohols and oils.......Spraying oils on the plant is flat out GROSS! BLAH!

 

[qwizoking]

Dont forget p

Pk
Boosters arent bs

 

[GrowerGoneWild]

WRONG!

K sulfate WILL change the terp profile by enhancing all terp output!!! If you have a "fruity" smelling or tasting strain. K sulfate will make it more citrus smelling and tasting!
Mg sulfate will do the same but to a lessor extent and adds a bit to the "fruity" side. It's more "neutral" but does increase terp output!
Gen Hydro uses differing concentrations of each to get differing results (along with other ingr.)....

The point being is that you CAN increase terp/trich production. This has an effect on the smell and taste outcome by the simple increase of the terp profile. Like I said above, by increasing the overall or even nonspecific one end of the spectrum terps. You effect the smell and taste profile....

You CAN NOT add "flavorings" like essence's or oil's and get that to transfer to the plant! In fact, your hurting the plant with alcohols and oils.......Spraying oils on the plant is flat out GROSS! BLAH!

I think its possible to alter the profile by using the salts that have sulfur within but you're not going to create something radical or thats outside the possible genetic limitation of the plant. Light selection could be a factor too, I'm seeing LED results showing different expressions of terpene profiles from HPS or HPS/MH light. I know that DJ short prefers regular sunlight to bring out the qualities of the plant. The only manipulation I'm aware of is selective breeding.

Its possible to adulterate flowers by taking advantage of xylem transport, a water soluble flavoring and by cutting the stem so that it sits directly in the scented solution. I'm sure we've all colored carnations as kids by using a dye in the water.. I think the concept is the same. A water soluble flavor should move towards the flowers.. But this is adulteration, not enhancement or manipulation.

 

[flowersforfree]

I've got the best Skunk #1 in CO because I let a skunk into my grow room and have him spray them down right before I chop

COULDA TOLD ME IVE BEEN LOOKING TO USE A SKUNK

 

[flowersforfree]

ok good discussion
but I have one question or a thought idk you decide
I'm new to all the inside game but that being said
the big island is where I got wet outdoors
if a plant grew by mango it tasted like mango
if it grew by strawguavy it tasted like strawberry
in Michigan if it grows by corn (heaven forbid lol) it taste like corn
folks been flavoring weed for a long time
but I like the idea of, it can add or subtract medical properties
and this brings up what I'm thinking
being this is my first in door grow
I was thinking of adding mango or pog juice to enhance flavor and maybe come up with some fruity skunk
am I just wasting my time?
and by juice I mean juicing whole fruit, no caned or bottled crap
it has to be good for the plant and whats good for the plant is good for you right?

EDIT
If I did this same processes time and time again with the same juicing process
over time with breeding the plant should gain some ?flavonoids? propertys of the juice it has been growing in. which coinside with tarps, right?
I'm just trying to get my mind around this, very interesting

 

[greasemonkeymann]

I would hope that people would correct me if I'm wrong in my concepts. I will take intellectual honesty over warm and fuzzy feelings. I can't improve or others if we cant call bullshit on each other.

Peace to you too..

This is one of the wisest posts I've ever seen on this forum.

 

[shorelineOG]

ok good discussion
but I have one question or a thought idk you decide
I'm new to all the inside game but that being said
the big island is where I got wet outdoors
if a plant grew by mango it tasted like mango
if it grew by strawguavy it tasted like strawberry
in Michigan if it grows by corn (heaven forbid lol) it taste like corn
folks been flavoring weed for a long time
but I like the idea of, it can add or subtract medical properties
and this brings up what I'm thinking
being this is my first in door grow
I was thinking of adding mango or pog juice to enhance flavor and maybe come up with some fruity skunk
am I just wasting my time?
and by juice I mean juicing whole fruit, no caned or bottled crap
it has to be good for the plant and whats good for the plant is good for you right?

EDIT
If I did this same processes time and time again with the same juicing process
over time with breeding the plant should gain some ?flavonoids? propertys of the juice it has been growing in. which coinside with tarps, right?
I'm just trying to get my mind around this, very interesting

Thats interesting you noticed that. A guy on here named the rev. said the same thing about transferring qualities to different plant species. I had a tomato next to a jalapeno plant and the tomatoes were spicy, was told they can't pollinate each other but something happened. I have grown out schwag that was straight lemon,pine,garlic and fuel. The fuel phenos came out of brick weed smuggled in gas tanks. Sounds crazy as shit, but true.

 

[flowersforfree]

I'm getting off topic a little
hot peppers by the carrots will also give you spicy carrots
there is something to this all we need is time and more grows

 

[Dr. Who]

ok good discussion
but I have one question or a thought idk you decide
I'm new to all the inside game but that being said
the big island is where I got wet outdoors
if a plant grew by mango it tasted like mango
if it grew by strawguavy it tasted like strawberry
in Michigan if it grows by corn (heaven forbid lol) it taste like corn
folks been flavoring weed for a long time
but I like the idea of, it can add or subtract medical properties
and this brings up what I'm thinking
being this is my first in door grow
I was thinking of adding mango or pog juice to enhance flavor and maybe come up with some fruity skunk
am I just wasting my time?
and by juice I mean juicing whole fruit, no caned or bottled crap
it has to be good for the plant and whats good for the plant is good for you right?

EDIT
If I did this same processes time and time again with the same juicing process
over time with breeding the plant should gain some ?flavonoids? propertys of the juice it has been growing in. which coinside with tarps, right?
I'm just trying to get my mind around this, very interesting

Thats interesting you noticed that. A guy on here named the rev. said the same thing about transferring qualities to different plant species. I had a tomato next to a jalapeno plant and the tomatoes were spicy, was told they can't pollinate each other but something happened. I have grown out schwag that was straight lemon,pine,garlic and fuel. The fuel phenos came out of brick weed smuggled in gas tanks. Sounds crazy as shit, but true.

As a farmer you've gotten me intrigued....I am going to play with this in our home garden......Getting something like that to work on the field scale is not feasible but. I like the spicey tomato thing.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

As a farmer you've gotten me intrigued....I am going to play with this in our home garden......Getting something like that to work on the field scale is not feasible but. I like the spicey tomato thing.

man... spicy tomatoes...slice up some avocados, a lil lime juice, un plata de carne asada... ocho cervesas..
y latina..

I'm trying to think of the garden I used to have.. I grew mostly berries though..

 

[Dr. Who]

man... spicy tomatoes...slice up some avocados, a lil lime juice, un plata de carne asada... ocho cervesas..
y latina..
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I'm trying to think of the garden I used to have.. I grew mostly berries though..

I think I know what I'm having tonight now!. The whole famdamnly is out doing something and it's a "Daddy eats out kinda night"!