I decided after watching the far red thread to use all 3w red diode leds and run them the entire cycle, deal with the stretch, maybe a little sog style, and watch them pack on. I used to used HPS and I would get fat nugs, and that is why I did not want to change, but heat is hell to overcome, 8,000 BTU portable Ac and such. LED's no problem, remote driver, almost called it a ballast, haha, keeps heat out of the grow area. I plan on growing more trees/bushes longer veg; 200W veg light with cloning above and 13W blue/white led panels. I see the resultsf rom the far red diodes and it gets me excited. lol peace.