Ergot spores

[AZgreenthumb]

Ergot can kill you, can't it? I know it grows from rye being tainted and may have been responsible for the Salem Witch Hunts and Trials.

Yes ergot can kill you
ergotism causes a nervous system dysfunction such as writhing, tremors, or convulsions. It can cause temporary or a permanent psychosis. Hallucinations, particularly in adolescents, are produced with mild poisoning with ergotism. Ergotism can be very lethal: for survivors, there is a 'reverse immunity' of sorts: a victim who survives the first exposure is even more susceptible the next time.

I was joking about the Debbie Downer cause you mentioned you were not trying to be a downer. Lol

For sure hard to read people emotions online. But I wish you all the best in your journey when you feel you have enough chemistry experiance try to synthesize MDMA first. Then once you master that move on to a more complicated drug synthisis like DMT or Mescaline then move on to LSD. Food for thought.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Yes ergot can kill you
ergotism causes a nervous system dysfunction such as writhing, tremors, or convulsions. It can cause temporary or a permanent psychosis. Hallucinations, particularly in adolescents, are produced with mild poisoning with ergotism. Ergotism can be very lethal: for survivors, there is a 'reverse immunity' of sorts: a victim who survives the first exposure is even more susceptible the next time.



For sure hard to read people emotions online. But I wish you all the best in your journey when you feel you have enough chemistry experiance try to synthesize MDMA first. Then once you master that move on to a more complicated drug synthisis like DMT or Mescaline then move on to LSD. Food for thought.

Sounds similar to strychnine?

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Yes ergot can kill you
ergotism causes a nervous system dysfunction such as writhing, tremors, or convulsions. It can cause temporary or a permanent psychosis. Hallucinations, particularly in adolescents, are produced with mild poisoning with ergotism. Ergotism can be very lethal: for survivors, there is a 'reverse immunity' of sorts: a victim who survives the first exposure is even more susceptible the next time.



For sure hard to read people emotions online. But I wish you all the best in your journey when you feel you have enough chemistry experiance try to synthesize MDMA first. Then once you master that move on to a more complicated drug synthisis like DMT or Mescaline then move on to LSD. Food for thought.

Sassafras oil for MDMA, peyote buttons from cactus, DMT from touch-me-nots and some kind of grass, LSD is from.. What is lysergic acid diethylamide derived from?

 

[AZgreenthumb]

Sassafras oil for MDMA, peyote buttons from cactus, DMT from touch-me-nots and some kind of grass, LSD is from.. What is lysergic acid diethylamide derived from?

Ergotamine Tartarate is converted into LSA (d-lysergic acid amide) and then the LSA is converted into LSD.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Ergotamine Tartarate is converted into LSA (d-lysergic acid amide) and then the LSA is converted into LSD.

Gotcha.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Interesting how the dextrorotary isomer would become a chiral compound. I want to see the chemistry behind it.

 

[iHearAll]

I don't think people understand just how difficult it is to synthesize LSD. Most of the people who make LSD are experienced organic chemists working in fully equipped laboratories. One will usually need precursor chemicals, such as lysergic acid amides, which you can pretty much only obtain with a DEA license. Or you could specifically harvest the ergot fungus and chemically extract its alkaloids, then process those into the specific amides, then finally LSD. For this you would need thousands and thousands of dollars worth of lab equipment, experience in harvesting microscopic fungi, weeks worth of time, proper growing chambers in a completely sterile environment, all the necessary chemicals, a great amount of experience in organic chemisty, etc. You cannot make LSD without a fully equipped lab. Don't try to make LSD unless you have a phd in organic chemistry and hundreds of thousands of dollers to set up your own lab. Its estimated all of the LSD produced is made by a handful of people. These people have years of lab experience, a fully functional lab, $, connections for precursors, and higher level chem degrees or been trained by one of the few cooks before them.

You definitely don't NEED a phd to follow a lab proceedure. Especially if you aren't starting with ergot. If you started with lsa it's a whole different ball game. I think a good chunk of stoners have vacuum pumps and.anyone with 1-200$ can get the necessary glass to use. Granted im not suggesting someone go from making bho to thinking lsd?yea i got this. And then they wear no gas mask and have lung cancer aand still messed up somewhere.

Ergot can kill you, can't it? I know it grows from rye being tainted and may have been responsible for the Salem Witch Hunts and Trials.

Then don't start with ergot. Purify lsa first.

 

[bluntmassa1]

You definitely don't NEED a phd to follow a lab proceedure. Especially if you aren't starting with ergot. If you started with lsa it's a whole different ball game. I think a good chunk of stoners have vacuum pumps and.anyone with 1-200$ can get the necessary glass to use. Granted im not suggesting someone go from making bho to thinking lsd?yea i got this. And then they wear no gas mask and have lung cancer aand still messed up somewhere.

Then don't start with ergot. Purify lsa first.

So you can really turn LSA into LSD? Basically just extract Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds then no need for ergotamine?

Will that really work to make the same quality LSD as Timothy Leary and Albert Hoffman?

 

[AZgreenthumb]

You definitely don't NEED a phd to follow a lab proceedure. Especially if you aren't starting with ergot. If you started with lsa it's a whole different ball game. I think a good chunk of stoners have vacuum pumps and.anyone with 1-200$ can get the necessary glass to use. Granted im not suggesting someone go from making bho to thinking lsd?yea i got this. And then they wear no gas mask and have lung cancer aand still messed up somewhere.

Then don't start with ergot. Purify lsa first.

are you kidding 1-200 dollars were talking about reacting chemicals under an inert atmosphere your going to need a lot more money then that here read this synthisis here this is not something that can be done for 200$ or 20,000$ for that matter. https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/pdf/lsd.garbrecht.pdf
The processes are so complex, the intermediate products so fragile, and the by-products of many of the steps so toxic, that the majority of university chemistry labs in the nation would be ill equipped to undergo such a procedure. I can say that without a doubt in my mind that there are likely only a handful recognized research labs in the country with the means to produce pure lsd safely.

 

[AZgreenthumb]

Mabey someone with more chemistry knowledge then myself can weigh in @MrEDuck are you there?

 

[iHearAll]

are you kidding 1-200 dollars were talking about reacting chemicals under an inert atmosphere your going to need a lot more money then that here read this synthisis here this is not something that can be done for 200$ or 20,000$ for that matter. https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/pdf/lsd.garbrecht.pdf
The processes are so complex, the intermediate products so fragile, and the by-products of many of the steps so toxic, that the majority of university chemistry labs in the nation would be ill equipped to undergo such a procedure. I can say that without a doubt in my mind that there are likely only a handful recognized research labs in the country with the means to produce pure lsd safely.

That's from ergot.

 

[iHearAll]

Well im done anyway. The easy kids way is posted in this thread a dozen times if you so wish to start making lsd25. Which i really don't recommend. Just worth the conversation/perspective headbutt. Sorry if i came across negative at all.

 

[iHearAll]

So you can really turn LSA into LSD? Basically just extract Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds then no need for ergotamine?

Will that really work to make the same quality LSD as Timothy Leary and Albert Hoffman?

It's in the proceedure on the previous page.

 

[iHearAll]

For sake of the wrong person making too much lsd and polluting water supplies, ill go with it's impossible......

 

[bluntmassa1]

are you kidding 1-200 dollars were talking about reacting chemicals under an inert atmosphere your going to need a lot more money then that here read this synthisis here this is not something that can be done for 200$ or 20,000$ for that matter. https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/pdf/lsd.garbrecht.pdf
The processes are so complex, the intermediate products so fragile, and the by-products of many of the steps so toxic, that the majority of university chemistry labs in the nation would be ill equipped to undergo such a procedure. I can say that without a doubt in my mind that there are likely only a handful recognized research labs in the country with the means to produce pure lsd safely.

I don't think it's that complex I'm pretty sure it was a documentary I seen but it was a fairly basic lab setup that either Timothy Leary or Albert Hoffman used but I don't think they made the ergotamine just turned it into LSD and the reason LSD ain't around like it used to is it's a lot harder to get ergotamine.

But just cause you can't buy ergotamine in the USA don't mean you can't get it just give a pharmacist in Mexico cash and they will give you oxycontin and steroids so ergotamine ain't impossible to get.

 

[HeatlessBBQ]

But it would be worth it to learn yet another trade. Try growing the fungus an another house for safety. Or can you synthesis it from lsa?

What is Your intention ?
Are You learning or are You experienced ?

 

[Mr. Bongwater]

not gonna happen

buy lsd like everyone does

i encourage you to prove me wrong. please, keep me posted on your progress.

aside from any dangers and pitfalls you might come across...

1. you'll never find ergot spores
2. you'll never isolate ergot fungi
3. you'll never grow any substantial amoutn of fungal matter
4. you'll never be able to extract ergot alkaloids
5. you'll never have the chemicals to process the alkaloids to LSD
6. you'll never have the equipment to process the alkaloids
7. you'll never have the conditions to process the alkaloids

this is all assuming you actually know what you're doing with chemistry, actual chemistry, not the anarchists cookbook or whatever method you would follow.

as for LSA, #3-#7 apply, substituting ergot for morning glory or whatever seeds you're thinking.

i'll give you a hint, google "ergotamine tartrate". move to a third world country, buy as much as you want and then start dabbling in chemical synthesis.

really, i fully support your efforts. you WILL fail, but you'll probably learn something.

so how the hell do people actually make lsd then? somebody out there has to make it if its around in small quanities

 

[AZgreenthumb]

I don't think it's that complex I'm pretty sure it was a documentary I seen but it was a fairly basic lab setup that either Timothy Leary or Albert Hoffman used but I don't think they made the ergotamine just turned it into LSD and the reason LSD ain't around like it used to is it's a lot harder to get ergotamine.

But just cause you can't buy ergotamine in the USA don't mean you can't get it just give a pharmacist in Mexico cash and they will give you oxycontin and steroids so ergotamine ain't impossible to get.

Here are some pics of actual LSD labs and keep in mind this is just a small fraction of the glassware in these labs. Do these look like 200$ setups to you? I read a story about a LSD chemist who was busted in the UK he spent 49,000 USD on chemicals alone. I'm not saying you can't synthisize LSD on your own one day it's just going to take lots of education, Hands on experiance, and lots and lots of money go about this smart and don't believe anyone who tells you your going to be able to buy all the glassware you need for 200$.

FYI the last pic is of an MDMA lab but you get the idea.

 

[AZgreenthumb]

As for the ergotamine tartarate you can't buy pure ergotamine from a pharmacist. You can buy ergotamine tartarate pills but they are an impractical source of ergotamine do to the extremely low concentration of ergotamine in these pills. And the high ratio of filler would make them nearly impossible to extract any decent amount of precursor.

You can only acquire pure ergotamine from a company that provides chemicals to pharmaceutical companies such as Sigma-Aldrich. And if you tried to order from a company like that you would be reciving a knock on your door from a DEA agent wanting to know why you tried to order a schedule 1 chemical.

As I said before the chemists who are making this have some serious high level precursor connections because ergotamine is nearly impossible to find nowadays.

It's way beyond what you will find at any Mexican pharmacy. Although a lot of people I know have been going to Mexico buying shit tons of XANAX and reselling it for 5 a pop something to keep in mind if you want to make some quick cash.

 

[HeatlessBBQ]

Here are some pics of actual LSD labs and keep in mind this is just a small fraction of the glassware in these labs. Do these look like 200$ setups to you? I read a story about a LSD chemist who was busted in the UK he spent 49,000 USD on chemicals alone. I'm not saying you can't synthisize LSD on your own one day it's just going to take lots of education, Hands on experiance, and lots and lots of money go about this smart and don't believe anyone who tells you your going to be able to buy all the glassware you need for 200$.View attachment 3643579View attachment 3643580View attachment 3643582View attachment 3643583

FYI the last pic is of an MDMA lab but you get the idea.

and MDMA is easier to synthesize than LSD...
Thank You for spreading the truth and educating Us on what is what.
Instead of sugar coating it.