Soiless medium considered hydro or soil?

[Alienwidow]

Did you read my last post? Which part don't you understand? You think Promix is teaming with organisms? Are you depending on them to feed your plant?

Well i know i can plant a seed in promix hp and the "soil" will grow a plant for a month or more. Ive seen it in plant problems many times. Noob thinks his soiless is organic potting soil and doesnt feed, plants turn yellow and he comes here to ask why. The HP after the promix lable means the promix is "teaming with organisms", because its been inoculated with mycorrhizae. I mean you use the stuff so you should know this. So by definition you are wrong. It may not be able to get a plant to flower well, but it still sustains life easily through a colony of microorganisms. Right?

 

[Olive Drab Green]

So you can't have an organic hydro grow?

 

[Alienwidow]

Why Stallone?

I changed it for the party cup competition. Im a rookie in it, hoping for a title shot.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

I changed it for the party cup competition. Im a rookie in it, hoping for a title shot.

Got it, Rocky, makes sense.

 

[Alienwidow]

So you can't have an organic hydro grow?

No you can, aquaponics. But to still be hydro the roots have to live in water not soil. Organic has nothing to do with the substrate.

 

[Alienwidow]

Did you read my last post? Which part don't you understand? You think Promix is teaming with organisms? Are you depending on them to feed your plant?

Heres a quote right from the promix website. I just copied it and im pasting it so you dont think that the real growers are lying to you still.

PRO-MIX® PG ORGANIK™ is formulated with fine sphagnum peat and fine vermiculite, similar to our PRO-MIX® PGX to help with water retention for emerging seedlings. It also contains coir - horticultural grade for improved water absorption of the growing medium, even after the wetting agent is broken down or leached during extended crop cycles. Also added are limestone (for pH adjustment), an organic wetting agent and a starter fertilizer that lasts approximately 2-4 weeks.

I mean if it was just an inert substance like clay pebbles, or lava rock, surely you dont believe it could sustain plant life for 2-4 weeks right? There must be some organic matter AND some teaming with microorganisms going on in that soiless blend of soil right dave?

 

[Olive Drab Green]

What about DTW Hydro?

 

[Alienwidow]

What about DTW Hydro?

Like in hydroton or rock wool? Expand a bit for me.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Like, the subsection in the forum under Hydro, where people who grow in Coco and other soilless in draining pots collaborate.

 

[bravedave]

Dave i dont get why youre so skeptical of real growers like were all lying to you. 2 lbs a light is possible, hps bulbs are better for flowering than MH, and that plant was 150.5 grams. These are all facts.

Where have I been skeptical of real growers? Lets not conflate

 

[thumper60]

Well i know i can plant a seed in promix hp and the "soil" will grow a plant for a month or more. Ive seen it in plant problems many times. Noob thinks his soiless is organic potting soil and doesnt feed, plants turn yellow and he comes here to ask why. The HP after the promix lable means the promix is "teaming with organisms", because its been inoculated with mycorrhizae. I mean you use the stuff so you should know this. So by definition you are wrong. It may not be able to get a plant to flower well, but it still sustains life easily through a colony of microorganisms. Right?

I love ya man ,but the hp on promix only means it has more perlite.bx has less perlite more vermiculite,pro-mix does contain mycorrhizae

 

[bravedave]

Heres a quote right from the promix website. I just copied it and im pasting it so you dont think that the real growers are lying to you still.

PRO-MIX® PG ORGANIK™ is formulated with fine sphagnum peat and fine vermiculite, similar to our PRO-MIX® PGX to help with water retention for emerging seedlings. It also contains coir - horticultural grade for improved water absorption of the growing medium, even after the wetting agent is broken down or leached during extended crop cycles. Also added are limestone (for pH adjustment), an organic wetting agent and a starter fertilizer that lasts approximately 2-4 weeks.

I mean if it was just an inert substance like clay pebbles, or lava rock, surely you dont believe it could sustain plant life for 2-4 weeks right? There must be some organic matter AND some teaming with microorganisms going on in that soiless blend of soil right dave?

Rich, if you want to think of it as soil then go right ahead. I, and most here, don't.

 

[Alienwidow]

Like, the subsection in the forum under Hydro, where people who grow in Coco and other soilless in draining pots collaborate.

Well in coco youll still have a soil web or colony of microorganisms that will be trying to feed the plant but less availible organic food. Coco is made from coconut shells so its organic matter already. Coco is also manufactured rather than mined like peat so its more in the grey area than peat based soiless mixes. But coco can also just be run like soil. You can feed it organicly and never have a drop of runoff just like soil. It doesnt have to be run in a drain to waste method. Coco and peat based soil mixes are totally different animals. Coco can be compared to a hydro growing substrate much easier than a peat based soiless mix.
Most people never see it but theres actually coco that is in huge chunks that is much more true to the drain to waste hydro, that the drain to waste model was started around. The chunks act like rocks, absorbing nothing or very little. The water floods and drains just like youd be using hydroton pellets. This type of coco cannot be done like soil.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

So what about mostly coco amended with peat, yucca, blood and bone, and given organic solid mixtures of fish meal, bone, blood, wheat, feather, and that also contain microbes?

 

[Alienwidow]

I love ya man ,but the hp on promix only means it has more perlite.bx has less perlite more vermiculite,pro-mix does contain mycorrhizae

Lol, i love ya too thumper, i was just pointing out to dave that the soiless blend he uses himself is teaming with organisms because he claimed it wasnt a type of soil as per the definition of soil. It says it right on the bag....edit-i see what you were saying about my quote now, what i was trying to say was that when the bag says hp on it that it has mycorrhizae added to it so its "teaming with organisms".

 

[Olive Drab Green]

I also use molasses and coconut water. Not together or all the time.

 

[Alienwidow]

So what about mostly coco amended with peat, yucca, blood and bone, and given organic solid mixtures of fish meal, bone, blood, wheat, feather, and that also contain microbes?

Youre definitely soil. Coco fiber is the closest you can get to hydro without being hydro. If you run the chunks its hydro. With the fiber your roots are in a soiless subtrate that builds a soil web and holds water, just like the definition of soil states. What youve done by the sounds of it is build organic potting soil with coco as the base.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Youre definitely soil. Coco fiber is the closest you can get to hydro without being hydro. If you run the chunks its hydro. With the fiber your roots are in a soiless subtrate that builds a soil web and holds water, just like the definition of soil states. What youve done by the sounds of it is build organic potting soil with coco as the base.

I'm just trying to figure out how to technically refer to my grow regarding methodology. I know it's organic, and I run LEDs. Most people have been concluding that my set-up is technically DTW hydro. As cool as that sounds, I just want to find a consensus on my grow labels.

 

[Alienwidow]

Where have I been skeptical of real growers? Lets not conflate

Werent you are he guy who claimed that MH was superior to hps for flower?

 

[thumper60]

Lol, i love ya too thumper, i was just pointing out to dave that the soiless blend he uses himself is teaming with organisms because he claimed it wasnt a type of soil as per the definition of soil. It says it right on the bag....View attachment 3643915edit-i see what you were saying about my quote now, what i was trying to say was that when the bag says hp on it that it has mycorrhizae added to it so its "teaming with organisms".

wow I have not seen that type,shits changing to fast.