2 questions

Conch

New Member
Hey folks
How is everyone today?
Ok here are my questions.
1. Do you use kool bloom in addition to or instead of florabloom?
2. i am in week 3 of 12/12 and I need to trim some leaves to allow light to get to the buds.
How much trimming is safe ?
Thanks in advance everyone.
The Conch
 

RM3

Well-Known Member
Hey folks
How is everyone today?
Ok here are my questions.
1. Do you use kool bloom in addition to or instead of florabloom?
2. i am in week 3 of 12/12 and I need to trim some leaves to allow light to get to the buds.
How much trimming is safe ?
Thanks in advance everyone.
The Conch
The buds do not process light, they are sinks

Tis the leaves that process light

Good Luck
 

Cyrus420

Well-Known Member
1. You can but be sure to use small amounts as to not over-feed your plant. Before adding any nutrients, especially if you're new, start at 1/8 of the recommended feeding given by the Kool Bloom's instructions.

2. Well you should of done all your trimming while still in veg as to not stress your plant too much, but no worries it's not too late. As RM3 said the buds do not process light, the leaves do! But that is okay you can still trim! Study your plant and find where it's getting the least amount of light or no light at all. These leaves, branches, and bud sights (usually located lower on the plant) are only going to be sapping energy from your more well light bud sights on the top. Without taking too much at one time as to not stress your plant feel free to gently remove with scissors or clippers the sights where light isn't optimal.

How much trimming is safe? No more than 50% of your plant, remember now that it is in flowering it won't grow major fan leaves or other small leaves back as it's focused on bud development.
 

Conch

New Member
Thank you very much that helps a lot.
This is my first time so I am still learning.
But we were all new once
Thanks again
 

Dr. Who

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1. You can but be sure to use small amounts as to not over-feed your plant. Before adding any nutrients, especially if you're new, start at 1/8 of the recommended feeding given by the Kool Bloom's instructions.

2. Well you should of done all your trimming while still in veg as to not stress your plant too much, but no worries it's not too late. As RM3 said the buds do not process light, the leaves do! But that is okay you can still trim! Study your plant and find where it's getting the least amount of light or no light at all. These leaves, branches, and bud sights (usually located lower on the plant) are only going to be sapping energy from your more well light bud sights on the top. Without taking too much at one time as to not stress your plant feel free to gently remove with scissors or clippers the sights where light isn't optimal.

How much trimming is safe? No more than 50% of your plant, remember now that it is in flowering it won't grow major fan leaves or other small leaves back as it's focused on bud development.
@Conch
This is false information on trimming! Those leaves are the "food factories" FOR your buds!
Defoliation in almost any form will reduce bud size to some extent!

LOOK at this!
https://www.rollitup.org/t/no-lower-budsites-do-not-need-light-to-develop-get-educated.829061/

AND this!
https://www.rollitup.org/t/light.853779/

Defoliation is counter productive!
I do remove a FEW branch's that will NOT extend out to the plants exterior edging.
SOME pure Indica's get a little fan leaf removal late in bloom to provide some light to the MAIN buds for even ripening and that's all it does......
 

Conch

New Member
Hum mm ok well thanks for the info.
Unfortunately a bit late but I didn't trim a lot and my girls are strong so I hope they will be ok
Thanks again for the info ....live and learn
 

Conch

New Member
I want to believe that it is only a difference of opinion , I can't imagine why anyone would give bad info just to be a ass
 

RM3

Well-Known Member
I want to believe that it is only a difference of opinion , I can't imagine why anyone would give bad info just to be a ass
most likely there was no intent to be an ass, thing is this is a topic of much debate, much like flushing.

Some believe it is ok and some don't, both groups have their own reasons

no worries
 

Cyrus420

Well-Known Member
@Conch
This is false information on trimming! Those leaves are the "food factories" FOR your buds!
Defoliation in almost any form will reduce bud size to some extent!

LOOK at this!
https://www.rollitup.org/t/no-lower-budsites-do-not-need-light-to-develop-get-educated.829061/

AND this!
https://www.rollitup.org/t/light.853779/

Defoliation is counter productive!
I do remove a FEW branch's that will NOT extend out to the plants exterior edging.
SOME pure Indica's get a little fan leaf removal late in bloom to provide some light to the MAIN buds for even ripening and that's all it does......
Not false, many professional growers defoliate and there are benefits to it backed by basic science.

You chopped off part of a plant and it will focus it's energies elsewhere, that's just common knowledge and useful knowledge depending on the situation.

I wouldn't recommend defoliation for something such as a 400W+ HID system but I will if you're using CFL's or a weaker light source that doesn't provide penetration.

Google Lollipopping, people do it all the time.

ALSO: In that thread you linked it's a topped and trained plant. Trained plants get their lower bud sites up to the top so they get as much energy as the main cola. It's super obvious that his lower bud sites are over shadowed by his main colas.

Edit: You also admit you chop leaves too...so way to be a hypocrite bro. You defoliate too.
 

Conch

New Member
Not false, many professional growers defoliate and there are benefits to it backed by basic science.

You chopped off part of a plant and it will focus it's energies elsewhere, that's just common knowledge and useful knowledge depending on the situation.

I wouldn't recommend defoliation for something such as a 400W+ HID system but I will if you're using CFL's or a weaker light source that doesn't provide penetration.

Google Lollipopping, people do it all the time.

ALSO: In that thread you linked it's a topped and trained plant. Trained plants get their lower bud sites up to the top so they get as much energy as the main cola. It's super obvious that his lower bud sites are over shadowed by his main colas.

Edit: You also admit you chop leaves too...so way to be a hypocrite bro. You defoliate too.
I am confused are you talking to me?
 

Conch

New Member
Not false, many professional growers defoliate and there are benefits to it backed by basic science.

You chopped off part of a plant and it will focus it's energies elsewhere, that's just common knowledge and useful knowledge depending on the situation.

I wouldn't recommend defoliation for something such as a 400W+ HID system but I will if you're using CFL's or a weaker light source that doesn't provide penetration.

Google Lollipopping, people do it all the time.

ALSO: In that thread you linked it's a topped and trained plant. Trained plants get their lower bud sites up to the top so they get as much energy as the main cola. It's super obvious that his lower bud sites are over shadowed by his main colas.

Edit: You also admit you chop leaves too...so way to be a hypocrite bro. You defoliate too.
Damn I should have kept my mouth shut lol
 

Cyrus420

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prolly not directly

basically the argument that I told you about has begun
There isn't an argument to be had. OP wanted to know how much to trim, not if he should.

And besides, it's proven that trimming is helpful depending on the circumstance, especially where weaker lights are concerned.
 

RM3

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There isn't an argument to be had. OP wanted to know how much to trim, not if he should.

And besides, it's proven that trimming is helpful depending on the circumstance, especially where weaker lights are concerned.
Not proven in my world, but I do like readin the threads LOL
 

Cyrus420

Well-Known Member
Damn I should have kept my mouth shut lol
Once again I was talking to user Dr. Who, it clearly shows in the post who I'm quoting, I don't understand why you think I am talking to you.

See above this where it says "Conch said:" on the little green bar? That means I'm quoting your post in order to reply to it, like you did to mine.
 

Cyrus420

Well-Known Member
Not proven in my world, but I do like readin the threads LOL
We live in the same world that adhere to the same natural laws.

If your plants could benefit from trimming they would.

Edit: Please understand what I mean. Trimming your plants CAN help them but it doesn't mean it WILL. In OP's case where I assume he is using weaker lights some defoliation will help the light penetrate further down to help feed the lower bud sights. This is why LST works, it brings the buds closer to the light so they receive the same amount of energy. It's also true your plant uses energy to keep it's lower branches and leaves alive, if you remove these the plant has no choice but to route it's nutrients to the upper branches, providing them with even more sustenance.
 

Mount

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@Conch no one is right and no one is wrong...much like RM3 said..its a touchy subject and each grower should consider the options that work for them, but please know, the plant does use its leaves for processing and absorbing light to process as well.. they are also the way a plant breaths/transpire... so maybe consider selective trimming with the leaf tucking to get what you think is the needed light to those budsites..Happy Growing
 
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神秘人

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I cut down 50% leaves at the first week in 12/12, then my plants grow fine. i think there is no stabdard about trimming, you have to observe your plants and your devices&tent then you cut down the leaves which are unlikely to get the light and dont worry about the percentage, how much you have to cut down based on the plant's position and circumstance. Dont forget to add some vitamin B after cutting in order to help plants recover.
 

Dr. Who

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Not false, many professional growers defoliate and there are benefits to it backed by basic science.

You chopped off part of a plant and it will focus it's energies elsewhere, that's just common knowledge and useful knowledge depending on the situation.

I wouldn't recommend defoliation for something such as a 400W+ HID system but I will if you're using CFL's or a weaker light source that doesn't provide penetration.

Google Lollipopping, people do it all the time.

ALSO: In that thread you linked it's a topped and trained plant. Trained plants get their lower bud sites up to the top so they get as much energy as the main cola. It's super obvious that his lower bud sites are over shadowed by his main colas.

Edit: You also admit you chop leaves too...so way to be a hypocrite bro. You defoliate too.
After growing for more decades then you've been alive (most likely). I laugh at someone saying "professional" grower. Many of what you would call "professional" have their head up their ass on half the things they do or practice! If one writes a book. That makes them an author. Not an expert on the subject....Jorge is a good grower. He has his head up his ass on several things. "The REV" and his idea's ,,,,,, well his soil sucks ass and the layering thing is stupid. Same for Sub Tool and some of his genetics are weak too. Danny Danko is wrong on things too......Hmm, I've never had a problem with Ed Rosenthal, so there's that.

You say that "chopping part of a plant off will focus it's energy somewhere else". This is true in some ways BUT, not for defoliating leaves from a plant in ANY major amount.....The leaves are the "food factories" for the plant. You remove them and they sure aren't helping any more are they? Now your plant is struggling to attempt to repair it's self from damage. Some would argue that it's putting more into flowering to quickly finish before it dies. Both observations are true! Except that this will now result in smaller tighter buds that while they have density weight, they have no real size and therefor have reduced bag appeal. Not only is this the REAL science working here. I have seen this first hand with friends, over and over again by the same guy!

I added that late in bloom I remove a small amount of leaves from some PURE Indica's that tend to shade some budding and I want them to ripen evenly. No where did I even IMPLY that it would increase bud size.. The amount of leaves removed would maybe amount to 2-3% of the leaves on the plant. This is also done at about a week to go.....So then, as you can see. This is a very minor amount of leaves at the last second.

So, maybe I should have made myself more clear on how this works BUT, don't come on here and attempt to turn my words against me kiddo. You really know not of what you speak or how to employ it properly! The way you think shows logic and not actual book science......I might advise you to take a cpl of Horticultural class's at a local college and really learn something..

Good Day
 
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