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HGK420

HGK420

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st0wandgrow said:
I've had those (probably from coco coir). They're actually pretty easy to deal with....compared to mites anyway.

Couple applications of spinosad and they're gone. I tried various neem products and that didn't seem to get rid of them. Maybe slowed them down a tad, but that's it. Spinosad will crush them.
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azamax has worked pretty good for a friend of mine as a soil drench and he used wipe out on the top and he's pretty clear now. i used spinosad and haven't had luck. it was a 5+ year old bottle of captain jacks tho so i should prolly grab a new one.
 
HGK420

HGK420

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DirtyEyeball696 said:
I've used canna coco and Mother Earth coco without issues for 6 years but I also use preventives


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canna and mother earth probably source their coco from the same spots. there is only a handful of places to get it, like peat. I'm not saying every batch has bugs but I've been hearing over and over "i got thrips and i didn't bring in any clones or anything" and this would explain a lot of those cases i bet.

your talking thrips not gnats when you say use ortho home defense? (just spinosad isn't it?)
 
DirtyEyeball696

DirtyEyeball696

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HGK420 said:
canna and mother earth probably source their coco from the same spots. there is only a handful of places to get it, like peat. I'm not saying every batch has bugs but I've been hearing over and over "i got thrips and i didn't bring in any clones or anything" and this would explain a lot of those cases i bet.

your talking thrips not gnats when you say use ortho home defense? (just spinosad isn't it?)
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I'm not too sure of the make-up of the home defense. I accidentally used it on the floating larvae once after watering and was very surprised to find how many it killed. Nothing is really 100% & preventatives like forbid4f really help me. Neem oil also helps to have in your garden too.
 
Resinxtractor

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Forbid is not to be used on consumable crops ever. Not my opinion either scientific fact and federal law. I don't care if you use it on clones just once. It will show in a pesticide screening just like all the Colorado growers that found out the hard way and had to trash million dollar crops. Not to mention the amount of ppe needed to apply that product properly and not poison your self.

Once I built a proper grow room ie. No outside air exchane, vented hoods, or portable ac and started showering and changing to clean grow room only clothing and shoes did I stop seeing any and all bugs.
 
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Resinxtractor said:
Forbid is not to be used on consumable crops ever. Not my opinion either scientific fact and federal law. I don't care if you use it on clones just once. It will show in a pesticide screening just like all the Colorado growers that found out the hard way and had to trash million dollar crops. Not to mention the amount of ppe needed to apply that product properly and not poison your self.

Once I built a proper grow room ie. No outside air exchane, vented hoods, or portable ac and started showering and changing to clean grow room only clothing and shoes did I stop seeing any and all bugs.
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Would avid show up like that? Like even dipping a rooted cutting?
 
Resinxtractor

Resinxtractor

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Yes avid, floramite , imidicloprid, eagle 20 are all systemic. All of it will show albeit in minute amounts. You have to remember your liver is bypassed when you inhale smoke laced with pesticides directly into your blood stream.

Also if you read the inserts that come with the bottles. You will see it is stated very clearly on all these products to not be used indoors and not on consable crops. They are intended for turf grass on golf courses and florists growing in greenhouses. You need full on tyvek suit goggles and proper respirator when spraying. If your dipping clones definitely wear gloves.

Growers in Colorado thought the same thing dip the clones early on with systemics and it should be out after 2 month veg and 2 month flower. But it wasn't and several entire indoor acres of cannabis where put through the shredder.
 
DirtyEyeball696

DirtyEyeball696

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I'd say all that was true except one thing. Those idiots sprayed their plants during flower after they found out they had a problem, too late. These are supposed to be used in 2-4 weeks of veg. By the time your 8-10 week flower is over and you've flushed for 10 or so days their are no traces of pesticides. I have proven this over and over in tests


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Resinxtractor

Resinxtractor

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you must be miss informed because I personally know and communicate often with one of the growers out in CO who was caught up in the Pesticidegate out there.

https://www3.epa.gov/pesticides/chem_search/reg_actions/registration/fs_PC-124871_11-Aug-05.pdf

If you read this you will find the Half life of Spirodiclofen varies but has the potential to have a half-life of up to 63.9 days in soil (California soil) depending on ph and soil conditions. So that would mean potentially in the right conditions this product would take 127.8 days or 18 weeks to break down. Not a risk I am willing to take hoping its out.

What Labs have you had pesticide screenings at and do they specifically screen for Spirodiclofen?
 
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