EXCUSE ME?!..The OFFICIAL Bernie Sanders For President 2016 Thread

ttystikk

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I've called Mr Sanders' politics centrist and a paragon of reasonableness. It's nice to see someone agrees with me;

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This rather graphically explains the extraordinary state of the political mess in our country.
 
Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
Oh yeah? How do you figure? I'm afraid I see a distinction without a difference here. Her record speaks volumes, and it isn't one I want running the country.
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So, I'm at a loss to identify a healthcare initiative of Hillary's that will be as big a disaster as cancelling the ACA.

Was NAFTA Hillary's initiative? What economic initiative of Hillary's was as big a disaster as Bush administration decisions that gave big banks the authority to self regulate the credit default swap market? What about another round of tax cuts and spending increases that GOP candidates promise?

Is Hillary's vote as bad as Bush adminstration's deceit when they ginned up the Weapons of Mass Destruction excuse to invade Iraq?

I think there is a difference. And would appreciate if you could give specific complaints that show an initiative of Hillary's that is worse than Katrina, 9-11, Enron energy scandal, Iraq war, unbalanced tax cuts and spending increases, lapses in governance of securities or cancellation of the ACA. Cruz, Kasich and Trump all promise policies and actions that would match Bush's bungling.
 
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Steve Man

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Fogdog said:
So, I'm at a loss to identify a healthcare initiative of Hillary's that will be as big a disaster as cancelling the ACA.

Was NAFTA Hillary's initiative? What economic initiative of Hillary's was as big a disaster as Bush administration decisions that gave big banks the authority to self regulate the credit default swap market?

Is Hillary's vote as bad as Bush adminstration's deceit when they ginned up the Weapons of Mass Destruction excuse to invade Iraq?

I think there is a difference. And would appreciate if you could give specific complaints that show an initiative of Hillary's that is worse than Katrina, 9-11, Enron energy scandal, Iraq war, unbalanced tax cuts and spending increases, lapses in governance of securities or cancellation of the ACA. Cruz, Kasich and Trump all promise policies and actions that would match Bush's bungling.
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Im with you on this, im in no way a Hillary supporter but id take her 1000 times over either Bush
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
So, I'm at a loss to identify a healthcare initiative of Hillary's that will be as big a disaster as cancelling the ACA.

Was NAFTA Hillary's initiative? What economic initiative of Hillary's was as big a disaster as Bush administration decisions that gave big banks the authority to self regulate the credit default swap market? What about another round of tax cuts and spending increases that GOP candidates promise?

Is Hillary's vote as bad as Bush adminstration's deceit when they ginned up the Weapons of Mass Destruction excuse to invade Iraq?

I think there is a difference. And would appreciate if you could give specific complaints that show an initiative of Hillary's that is worse than Katrina, 9-11, Enron energy scandal, Iraq war, unbalanced tax cuts and spending increases, lapses in governance of securities or cancellation of the ACA. Cruz, Kasich and Trump all promise policies and actions that would match Bush's bungling.
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Your logic is irrefutable. Yet, being the laser of the evils isn't enough to garner my enthusiastic support.

And if the foundation of your argument is 'anyone but Chump!', then that's an even stronger argument for Mr Sanders.
 
Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
Your logic is irrefutable. Yet, being the laser of the evils isn't enough to garner my enthusiastic support.

And if the foundation of your argument is 'anyone but Chump!', then that's an even stronger argument for Mr Sanders.
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ttystikk said:
I've called Mr Sanders' politics centrist and a paragon of reasonableness. It's nice to see someone agrees with me;

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This rather graphically explains the extraordinary state of the political mess in our country.
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That plot showing where Clinton places right of center in a matrix of political alignment is, I think pretty accurate. The GOP have painted themselves in the extreme authoritarian right-wing corner while nobody can be found in the lie-ertarian quadrants. Bernie is about where I thought he'd be as well.

As far as "lesser of two evils choice" is concerned, we all have to make a choice even if it's none of the above. To me, this kind of vote is more about voting against right wing initiatives such as millions losing healthcare coverage, extremely harsh treatment of the Latino population, running up the debt and expansion in amount and severity of US military armed conflict in foreign locations.
 
UncleBuck

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Fogdog said:
If I were in a swing state
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i was registered independent in oregon.

proudly registered as democrat now that i'm in colorado.

definitely do view it as my duty to vote in every election now. i was the last in line to vote in adams county after a 14 hour work day for the midterm. and they announced the results before i even got to vote.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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UncleBuck said:
i was registered independent in oregon.

proudly registered as democrat now that i'm in colorado.

definitely do view it as my duty to vote in every election now. i was the last in line to vote in adams county after a 14 hour work day for the midterm. and they announced the results before i even got to vote.
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Yeah, those early announcements are bullshit.

I'm a proud voter too, but I'm under no illusions my duties as a concerned citizen stop there. Neither are you, judging by the quantity of posts on political topics.
 
Fogdog

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UncleBuck said:
i was registered independent in oregon.

proudly registered as democrat now that i'm in colorado.

definitely do view it as my duty to vote in every election now. i was the last in line to vote in adams county after a 14 hour work day for the midterm. and they announced the results before i even got to vote.
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I've never missed a vote since I was able to vote. I won't miss the next two votes this year either. Adams county is nice country. A person with a liberal bent is a bit on his own out there.

East of the Cascades are not many people and most of them conservative. When I lived in Idaho, I pretty much did not mention politics. But still voted even though my vote only showed up in the "other party" category.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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I keep hearing people pledging now that they WILL NOT vote for Mrs Clinton because in their eyes she no different from the republicans.

Someone needs to publicly call her out for being a DINO- Democrat In Name Only.

She is surely shaping up to be the best path to a republican victory in November.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Here's that graphic again. Where in the fuck does Shillary Clinton get off telling anyone she represents American democrats?!
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bigbillyrocka

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True story: I'm a centrist with a tick to the left and when I heard Bernie was the same I fell in love.

I was called a socialist by phil, the lead singer of All that remains about 6 years ago... wonder what he's sayin' now...
 
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