Terpenes enhancement and manipulation

[Joedank]

Methyl Jazz works... but your yield suffers in a HUGE way

It all comes down to Genetics.. you cant make a Hobbit into Shaq and vice versa

yea i hear if you only use it at the end an spray the stalks of the plant you can recive some big rewards...lol

Terpenoids don't survive extraction which is why they always taste the same and have no aroma.

I use this last week of flower.

http://www.amazon.com/Potassium-Sulfate-Potash-Organic-Pounds/dp/B00L225EXI/ref=pd_sim_86_22?ie=UTF8&dpID=512sxYMu58L&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160,160_&refRID=0PFZ769BPGB89XVF9HCZ

sulpomag yup ... me too ...
good point about terps ... thats why i love my rosin

 

[qwizoking]

Thats not a good point at all...
Thc is a terp, many terps have a bp over that of thc and terpenoids specifically are heavier, some with a melting point over thcs boiling point

Some terps are quite light. Especially on fresh harvests/uncured bud

Like half thc bp

To make a pristine extract we simply do some chem class reminiscing. And get something with 50-60%thc some other "cannabinoids" and general high terp content.

The terps like to hit receptors.. but much of the flavor is also caused by more inert compounds
Say my green crack thats an ester bomb smelling of apples, banana and like isoamyl acetate


Sorry.. i almost said something before. But with his extracts tasting the same comment i figured nobody would listen. My oil reeks, from a straight lemon drop of my slh to orange creamsicle, sour chemy berry etc.
Delicious

 

[PerfectGrower]

The chitosan oligosaccharide in our micro product does wonders for terpene production

 

[Joedank]

Thats not a good point at all...
Thc is a terp, many terps have a bp over that of thc and terpenoids specifically are heavier, some with a melting point over thcs boiling point

Some terps are quite light. Especially on fresh harvests/uncured bud

Like half thc bp

To make a pristine extract we simply do some chem class reminiscing. And get something with 50-60%thc some other "cannabinoids" and general high terp content.

The terps like to hit receptors.. but much of the flavor is also caused by more inert compounds
Say my green crack thats an ester bomb smelling of apples, banana and like isoamyl acetate


Sorry.. i almost said something before. But with his extracts tasting the same comment i figured nobody would listen. My oil reeks, from a straight lemon drop of my slh to orange creamsicle, sour chemy berry etc.
Delicious

idk about thc being a terpine in itself ... seems to me alot of terp profiles to fall out in vaccume . hence the cold traps and reclaims being used on vac ovens to find these "lighter?" terrps ...lol ... terp dip!!! here comes my steam distiller
wanna come check it out quizo?

 

[Joedank]

The chitosan oligosaccharide in our micro product does wonders for terpene production

not to be a dick but you do know this messes with aroma of many terrp profiles(sour d being the one i notive it on the most ) and flowering time / sencenece?
timing is key in my applications . a great read on ic mag about it ...

 

[PerfectGrower]

Our testing has proved otherwise....our grower's run sour d very regularly. Application rates of chitosan are important as well.


Here you can see sour d at week 6 using our product line. When we harvest, I can send you the full spectrum lab results and compare!


I know this picture doesn't back up the terpene argument...but it shows we are no dummies when it comes to the sour d. We have tested it extensively



Joedank, do you know what nutrient profile you are feeding your sour d in flowering? Nutrition is important....

 

[testiclees]

The chitosan oligosaccharide in our micro product does wonders for terpene production

"There is no micro product in the world that even comes close!"

That claim which is made about the perfect grower micro product sounds so bombastic and phony that ill be doubtful of any other claims made by perfect grower.

 

[PerfectGrower]

"There is no micro product in the world that even comes close!"

That claim which is made about the perfect grower micro product sounds so bombastic and phony that ill be doubtful of any other claims made by perfect grower.

This thread is going south...sorry I will digress from it.

Testiclees...have a look at what's in our micro product and I think you'll agree?


Im not here to argue or get on the wrong foot here guys! I'm on your side....!!

 

[testiclees]

The chitosan oligosaccharide in our micro product does wonders for terpene production

This thread is going south...sorry I will digress from it.

Testiclees...have a look at what's in our micro product and I think you'll agree?


Im not here to argue or get on the wrong foot here guys! I'm on your side....!!

I appreciate the prompt response.

The red flag though still flies high over any product that claims : "There is no micro product in the world that even comes close".
If this had any connection to reality and Power put in the legit science to make this claim i would expect to see tables showing analysis of at least the top ten micro products. Instead i see this:
"Micro contains Iron EDDHA, low weight chitosan oligosaccharide and pharmaceutical grade reagents.


Our scientifically proven micronutrient ratios promote increased plant growth, root health and resin production. There is no micro product in the world that even comes close!"

Is there a place on your site to review studies? To be honest I'm doubtful that Perfect is even aware of the top micro products. Horticulture is a very broad area of study and micro products have been produced and refined since at least the 90's. There are loads of well researched and field tested products that have been around for a long while. Yet no product in the world comes close? LOL you'll need more than words to give even a measure of cred to that claim.

 

[PerfectGrower]

Our products are, in fact, the first to actually allow the scientific process to happen.


Show me another company that tells you the exact amount of each element you feed your plants. It doesn't exist. We do it for each week.


Sure there is some marketing in this, its a business that sells a product. Is it a lie? No way.


We want everyone to be a better grower. We give you the tools to find the answers. What works and what doesn't? This is the only way a grower gets better. Now you have the tools to determine the correct answers.


I will keep my butt in the growing section. It's better I help people...I'm surely not here for a pee-pee contest


Good day

 

[testiclees]

[QUOTE="PerfectGrower, post: 12503114, member: 929476"]Our products are, in fact, the first to actually allow the scientific process to happen.
[/QUOTE]
Please don't insult us with laughable and preposterous bull shit.


Youve got a few folks looking for a response on your IC chitosan posts. On that thread there actually is at least one PhD biochemist. So maybe you can explain to him how you've enabled the scientific process for the first time.

 

[Joedank]

Our testing has proved otherwise....our grower's run sour d very regularly. Application rates of chitosan are important as well.


Here you can see sour d at week 6 using our product line. When we harvest, I can send you the full spectrum lab results and compare!


I know this picture doesn't back up the terpene argument...but it shows we are no dummies when it comes to the sour d. We have tested it extensively



Joedank, do you know what nutrient profile you are feeding your sour d in flowering? Nutrition is important....

i enjoy your posts . but soil applications of chitosan are in the infantcy of this soil science ATM..


i allow the plant to choose and grow in huge soil beds years old .... YARDS of soil n compost ....this is my sour d View attachment 3655586about 40 days in and 37 to goView attachment 3655585
i use logan labs an jermy from build a soil as my soil consultant .

 

[PerfectGrower]

Joedank,

You're ahead of the game, I like that. Chitosan comes in many different forms. Some are better than others in terms of efficacy. Some forms also have more scientific literature to back them up.

In our experience, we've done a lot of research over the years and we're happy with the choices we've made in our formulations. As always, to each their own


Grow big!

 

[Krippled]

Why has there been a distinct change in smell right at week 5 of flower????? I thought it was my bad first round with the mother plant but now the clones from her are doing the Exact same thing... In veg the fans smell of a light coffee, early flower it's all fruity then week 5 hits and it reeks of Mothball-Fuel smell.. Any input would be great..

 

[since1991]

Perfect grower nutes are the shit. I used them a couple runs ago. Follow to feed chart. It works. They are cheaper than the store bottles for sure.

 

[since1991]

But i agee that one nute manufacturer nute line being superior to another is mostly marketing. Nutes should serve one purpose and that is keep the plant thriving and healthy. Most cannbis marketed brands do this if you know what your doing and how to use them. I usually brush off peoples claims of this nute brand did this to mu plants or did that....or made it smell/taste like this or that. That shit is either placebo or almpst always something or some other factor in the grow room besides nutrient brands. Nutes dont make or break a grow. They should just "work". Nothing more or less. Almost all brands do. If they dont....its something YOU dId or didnt do. So that being case...and i know how to use them all....i look for the least expensive ones short 0f mixing my own salts and profiles.

 

[tstick]

Why has there been a distinct change in smell right at week 5 of flower????? I thought it was my bad first round with the mother plant but now the clones from her are doing the Exact same thing... In veg the fans smell of a light coffee, early flower it's all fruity then week 5 hits and it reeks of Mothball-Fuel smell.. Any input would be great..View attachment 3685683 View attachment 3685684

That seems to be the natural evolution of the terpenes in many, many, many strains....Coffee, fruity and then "funky"...

But it's not true of every strain. I've had some smell like dirty socks and boiled cauliflower and broccoli....and then turn into spicy, hash-y flavors upon ripening.

 

[SPLFreak808]

Why has there been a distinct change in smell right at week 5 of flower????? I thought it was my bad first round with the mother plant but now the clones from her are doing the Exact same thing... In veg the fans smell of a light coffee, early flower it's all fruity then week 5 hits and it reeks of Mothball-Fuel smell.. Any input would be great..View attachment 3685683 View attachment 3685684

I have a crap yielding but dense grape kush cut that does the same damn thing. From berries to coffee and dirt smell after it matures lol, if it makes you feel any better it taste like flowers,fruits and dirt after cure.

 

[since1991]

Yeah. Some strains change up big time while they cure. Actually the majority of mine do. What you smell in peak flower is not the same as a good weeks or even months long cure. I wish ot would but it hardly ever happens. Terpenes are volatile and degrade or change with time and handling very easily.

 

[Krippled]

Thank you all for the input. After cure it has a Apple pie moonshine smell....unsure of strain.