My 8hr flowering experiment

torontoke

torontoke

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skunkwreck said:
Hope you get to feeling better quick my man and yes you're winning....the "dawgbizkits" is a yielder....easily a zip per gal. of grow medium...just harvested two of them at 60 days...a zip per plant and in half gal. containers so outdoors they should become beasts . Far out yielded everything else in the garden ! Great cross you made there !!!!
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Appreciate the feedback but Mother Nature gets all the credit on that one all I did was bring two kids together that obviously already had a glimmer in their eye for each other lol
They look delicious.
Still interested in hearing how she smokes for you. I actually just finished a bag of it my buddy grew out up here. Nice n frosty too.
I'm hoping to throw 6 females outside this season so we'll see how she does outdoor soon. Might even sprinkle a lil pollen on one if she's sexy.
 
caretak3r

caretak3r

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ArcticOrange said:
I agree that its not a failed experiment. I want to run an experiment where i would minic the sun for 10 weeks after equinox slowly shortening the days and increasing the nights. I think it may have merit for decreasing power while maintaining yield but i need more space so i can do a side by side. Ill be sure to make a journal when i do.

Also im utilizing UV differently than i have in the past as someone showed me how they shave 2 weeks off their flower time and i got very intrigued. I will be documenting that in my grow thread.
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Sorry for replying to an older post, but I'm on a quest to find all the tricks to finish faster. I'm already adding uvb to my cab, but is there more technique involved in using UVB to speed up the finish from what you've been told?
 
caretak3r

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Sorry to crash your thread torontoke, thanks for the hospitality :) Thanks for all the feedback to all. I started a thread in the LED section trying to get this type of info but didn't quite get the response I was hoping for. I have a small flowering cab (26" w x 39"h x 33"d). I've got 6 vero 18s (3500K and 4000K) running ~1A each for ~180-200w. I'll be using them for side lighting soon (right now they are up top). I'm adding 2 v-series v22 on dimmable 3A drivers along with an old red/blue chinese panel that I'm running soft (swapped drivers for 300ma ones) on top. So I have 100W of cheap red/blues, up to 200W of 4000K v22, up to 200w of vero 18s and a t5 reptile bulb for UVB, and 730nm far reds for Pfr trigger. I will dial them up/down to what the plants respond to. I have about 30 clones that have been rooting in 12/12 for about 10 days. They are now starting to show pistils. I'll prune them all for single colas and plant them in 1Gal smarpots (about 3 to a pot). I want to run 4on/10.5 off (short night aided by the 730nm trigger) and start to lengthen the nights/off period by 10 or 15 min increments each cycle toward the end of the grow (via my own timer script that I run with a raspberry pi and relay board). I know this is a little crazy but I can do it perpetual to make up for lost yield and I'm in a situation where I need these girls to finish as fast as possible. I'll start a journal here and @ RM3's place within a week or so.
 
torontoke

torontoke

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caretak3r said:
also, just wanted to say thanks to torontoke for sharing this thread - It's really hard to find documented grows on shortened day cycles.
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I know that's why I posted mine lol
Now if I could ever get my cranky buddy to let me take some pics of my other room I'd light this thread up with some nugporn.
I'm just glad someone else found the info useful.
There's only a few of us really trying stuff and sharing our findings but more n more people are starting to ask questions.
Any way good luck with your experiment and let us know how it goes.
Post a link in here to your journal when u start one.
 
torontoke

torontoke

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Sorry for the lack of updates folks but there's been a whole lot goin on in my life lately.
My health seems to have calmed down and I've been slowly working away on my off grid property so not much spare time to post as often as I used to in the past.
The last batch of beans I popped have now been transplanted into 1gal pots and another batch his been popped.

Also my first real attempt at a pollen chuck looks to have been super successful. I helped trim a crap load of plants last week that were oozing seeds out of everywhere.
They are currently in drying baskets and hopefully I get enough beans to share some love.
Will be interesting to see the results of these crosses that were created again using an 8hr light cycle.

Next project will be creating a run of fems with cs and we will see how that goes.
Not just a guy that's was too lazy to pull the male in time anymore.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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torontoke said:
Sorry for the lack of updates folks but there's been a whole lot goin on in my life lately.
My health seems to have calmed down and I've been slowly working away on my off grid property so not much spare time to post as often as I used to in the past.
The last batch of beans I popped have now been transplanted into 1gal pots and another batch his been popped.

Also my first real attempt at a pollen chuck looks to have been super successful. I helped trim a crap load of plants last week that were oozing seeds out of everywhere.
They are currently in drying baskets and hopefully I get enough beans to share some love.
Will be interesting to see the results of these crosses that were created again using an 8hr light cycle.

Next project will be creating a run of fems with cs and we will see how that goes.
Not just a guy that's was too lazy to pull the male in time anymore.
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Glad your health is OK. I just made some cs. I'm going to start making fem beans.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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torontoke said:
Cool what are you making?
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I'm going to start with the mephisto Heisenbergs and dinafem blue amnesia xxl. I would love to have a few hundred auto flower seeds to throw in random outdoor places next year.

I will make some c99 and other photo seeds to. I would like to fem every strain I grow. If the smoke is good keep the beans. Build a large inventory and then refine the work.


I also have seeds saved from my teenage years. That was back when real road kill and red hair skunks were on the east coast. I would like to play around with those and see what I could find.
 
torontoke

torontoke

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whitebb2727 said:
I'm going to start with the mephisto Heisenbergs and dinafem blue amnesia xxl. I would love to have a few hundred auto flower seeds to throw in random outdoor places next year.

I will make some c99 and other photo seeds to. I would like to fem every strain I grow. If the smoke is good keep the beans. Build a large inventory and then refine the work.


I also have seeds saved from my teenage years. That was back when real road kill and red hair skunks were on the east coast. I would like to play around with those and see what I could find.
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Sounds good
I have a fairly good stash now myself that I'm hoping to lock in and fem.
My biggest problem is too much ambition sometimes but big homers come from big swings I suppose.
 
Dr. Who

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Dr. Who said:
The idea for this whole schmear came from a paper from 1913 in France from a man named Julien Tournois....He was growing Hops and Hemp "underglass" (old term for greenhouse growing) He found that they would "flower most precociously in winter". He observed that they would flower most rapidly when allowed only 6 hours of daylight.

Further intel
https://books.google.com/books?id=wh9sW9QII6kC&pg=PA131&lpg=PA131&dq=Julien+Tournois&source=bl&ots=CVDfEmC5DZ&sig=-lnx1NhB-Puu5zHT4rqocBVjqy8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5V8hVe2PN4SLsAXfq4CADw&ved=0CDoQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=Julien Tournois&f=false
and
https://books.google.com/books?id=c25eErZbHr4C&pg=PA182&lpg=PA182&dq=Julien+Tournois&source=bl&ots=YRtz8wMTYb&sig=8atR4ux-mp3S57Z_zTJRDaveoaA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5V8hVe2PN4SLsAXfq4CADw&ved=0CD0Q6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=Julien Tournois&f=false

Google Julien Tournois and you will eventually find all sorts of views on this idea as it stands in regard to basic plant growth to C3 plant function manipulation....

Do NOT use logic to explain what you believe to be fact on this topic......

The OP is making an acceptable experiment to discover the useable information it can supply.....I am about to do a commercial size run in a side by side test to determine the commercial viability of this theory in actual application.....I will not be starting this phase for another 8 weeks.....I will cover the experiment here also.

Till that time. I AM closely following this thread!!!

WELL DONE so far! @torontoke

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Update on resulting yield.......With highly shortened lighting times...........6&7 hrs on time. I averaged over a 20% loss in yields vs "normal" lighting times of 11/13...

Once dipping into less then 9+ hrs the resulting yield loss was unacceptable for my needs....There was some quality loss also.

Gas light in veg is fine!
 
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