Why do you newbs always grow auto's?

whitebb2727

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See that's crazy, I was talking to my brother and he claims 25% on fem hermies.

I've let plants go way to far in flower (because I get way to far behind on trimming) I've let plants go 6 weeks to long and never had seeds..

I'm building my seed run rooms in the next couple of weeks. I'll definitely experiment with that. But S1's are the ones that will most likely go hermie right?
Not to my knowledge. I'm doing that myself now. Selfing a plant to get s1.

I've smoked stuff from all over. Grown a lot of strains.

If I really thought fem beans would herm or not with it, I wouldn't do it.

I'm fixing to start going through a bunch of my old seeds and anything I like I will self it out and catalog it. I'll come back and work with them.

Don't get me wrong, I use and make regular seeds to.
 

Bbcchance

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I'm not a fan of autos but I got some in a pack of seeds given to me from a fellow grower. I didn't know they were autos and one has been topped twice and the other once. Everything I've read states topping autos is not a good idea and now I see why. The one topped twice is struggling because it started flowering one or two days after it was topped the second time. Not enough time to recover so if I get 5-7g it'll be fine. I also have freebie autos that will be planted outside so it won't cost me anything extra and they should reach close to their full potential with sun and rain.

If anyone has topped an auto and still got a decent harvest, let me know. It would be interesting to hear.
I have a buddy who's in his 60s and has been growing forever without internet(just doesn't use it) he was always asking me for seeds, I hipped him to online seeds and he accidentally got some autos(didn't read just ordered what was on sale) he runs them outside in his back yard in a shorter season climate and now he swears by them and runs nothing else, he likes to get 2 runs in one season works well for his needs and they yield pretty good for him outdoors (just one other reason for autos i guess)
 

Alienwidow

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5 weeks veg.
9 weeks of flower
600watts
Organic
22 ounces of nug
4 ounce of larf
14 week start to finish.

Explain to me how an auto could ever compete?

4 weeks more for 22 ounces

Or the claim 10 weeks for an auto that yields maybe an ounce two at best..


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OH CUMMMMMMMMON DANK!!! You really expect anyone to believe those plants are five weeks of veg? Man seriously, come back to reality here. 26 oz of bud from a five week veg? Under a six hundred? Fuck man, what nutrients do you use?...besides blow?
 

Alienwidow

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https://www.rollitup.org/t/original-dank-genetics.855120/

Your point is invalid..

I've been breeding for 8 years.
I currently have 28 strains in my growroom. I have thousands of beans from hundreds of genetics stashed away. My sister in laws dad was Lonestar the owner Texas Resin Company.

Google Odanksta first legal grow..

Ignorance is bliss
So i followed the link and ya, you claim to have been breeding for eight years, or at least know someone who has, or at least are related to someone who knows someone who has.

Then i had a look at your grow thread. Where i found that like none of the genetics youre using you produced. All youre doing is getting beans from real breeders and planning on breeding them...so stealing ;)

If you really were a breeder for eight years why are you getting all those seeds from some other guy...who got them from real breeders? If i was starting a breeding project i figure id bring MY genetics and start MY genetics. No? :lol:
 

Alienwidow

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Soooooooo, i was looking to see if maybe i was wrong about the last thread and it turns out when you were arguing legallyflying you claimed a six week veg, not five. So then i said fuck it, hes gonna post his sprouts, which ya did....on feb 5. So a quick click over to the calender shows thats two months and three weeks ago, or 11 weeks, or exactly 80 days ago.... So did you lie to us all? Or just change your grow style by ooooohhhh, lets say doubling your veg time? (And still going....)
 

Alexander Supertramp

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tntgreen13

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Y'all do know they suck right? They are a horrible idea to even start with.

You can't take cuttings, they yield like shit and they use more light..

Can one of y'all share with me why you would possibly ever want to grow shit genetics?
As a first time grower I have 2 reasons why I have autos going, amongst my photoperiod plants 1). I plan for a longer veg allowing my indoor autos to reap the benefits of those 18 hours the rest of my garden is getting for veg. 2) if planned properly it reduces chance of a late fall harvest (outdoor) that could otherwise run into the rainy season.

In addition, how many "newbs" get yields there first grow that rates "good" on your scale?
 

Strocat

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Y'all do know they suck right? They are a horrible idea to even start with.

You can't take cuttings, they yield like shit and they use more light..

Can one of y'all share with me why you would possibly ever want to grow shit genetics?

If you dont need 3+ oz's per plant and want a small stealth plant that will finish quick Id get autos.

Oh btw. I had a nirana auto bubblelicious that turned out to be some of the most potent smoke I've ever had in my life. that plant at harvest was 1 foot tall and yielded dry 29.3 grams.. she did so in 62 days from putting the seed in the ground.

my room is big enough to do 1 "good" photo plant or I can put 3 autos in the same spot. sooo... I can have 1 strain or 3. Some of the autos nowadays are just as good as photo period plants. Best diesel I ever smoke was from a super auto. do you know of super autos?

I suggest you try bomb seeds autos or memphisto genetics (their toof decay and chem city blues are amazing autos)


If you have fem auto seeds and hate them soo much send them to me. I'll gladly throw them under a 180 watt ufo led and 4 150 watt cfls


as for regular seeds.. well.. I dont have the lighting or room to pull males or pray for one female. All a man wants is a couple oz's of high quality personal smoke. why should I have to risk males? pop 3 seeds and they're all male.. well.. u just wasted time,money,and lifespan of your light.

These are just my personal opinions I'm not stating any of this as fact.
 
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Bangaman

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While genetically altered ruderalis is a relatively new event in cultivation...cannabis ruderalis plants have existed a VERY long time. Some auto strains can be quite good if they are indica or sativa dominant. But, if the ruderalis component is dominant...the resulting genetics will be less than pleasing to most growerz...Just my humble opinion.
Spoke to a buddy who runs the grow for a clinic up here and he says the opposite of what you are saying. 60% of their grow is auto flower hybrids for the following reasons
  1. VERY high THC content,
  2. improved resistance to pests, advers conditions extreme environmental changes, including low stress impact in dry conditions.
  3. Reduced height
  4. very high CBD CONTENT,
  5. Speed to harvest and short stature make autoflower perfect for SOG in their industrial high volume setting.
  6. Perfect for medicinal applications

Their thousands of daily customers are very happy. They intend to go 100% auto by end of summer. Good for clinics, good for me
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Blunted 4 lyfe

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Y'all do know they suck right? They are a horrible idea to even start with.

You can't take cuttings, they yield like shit and they use more light..

Can one of y'all share with me why you would possibly ever want to grow shit genetics?
Lighten up a bit OD, we all know autos suck sometimes I imagine newbs choose autos to grow is the attraction of no fuss no muss. Once they get experience under their built they'll grow photos.

B4L
 
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Blunted 4 lyfe

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Are you bored? Was there someone in particular you were trying to bait? Otherwise I'm not sure why you would direct this thread at people that spend most of their time panicking, googling, and running the gauntlet on RIU trying to find help?
Plenty of people grow autos, experienced growers, so why not ask them to explain their choices instead of picking on newbs? Or do you just want a laugh at the silly things newbs say? Cos I guess i get that...
OD is just trolling, he's looking to get a rise outa you. This is his shtick. It took me all of 2 seconds to figure him out, don't sweat it.

B4L
 

Bbcchance

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OD is just trolling, he's looking to get a rise outa you. This is his shtick. It took me all of 2 seconds to figure him out, don't sweat it.

B4L
Like most of the riu troll threads, what started off as a joke to get a rise out of a few people has yet again morphed into a thread with some solid info,pros and cons for newbs thinking about their first grow........well done :clap:
 

Dr. Who

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A. Who said anything about light leaks
B. What company do you work for? I chuck pollen as well.
C. This discussion stems from the opinions of whether making fems with CS passes down the herm trait to offspring.

I'm not trying to have a damn argument on here but everyone thinks they've got all the answers. I admit I do it at times as well. I have been told to my face as well as done shit tons ( as we probably all have) of reading about everything under the sun, including th CS fem debate. I have multiple grow locations and have been doing it over 10 years so it's not like I'm some closer grower who doesn't know shit. As for Barneys and Cali hell ya they suck balls, but I wanted a strain and took the leap. I've seen other herms here and there. It happens when you've grown hundreds of plants. Why this turned into an argument where I ever said every fem seed is herm trash. Just said they have the trait which is what I've always been taught. Unless someone on here is a geneticist, then nothing anyone says on here is gonna change my opinion.
I'm not arguing here - I'm passing on truths

1: I did! So all the misinformed can find some comfort and not stress so much!
2: I work for ME! I run several business. 43+ years of this. Started N. Of Frisco on a commune - never looked back. In my opinion the best modern breeders are a good deal of the underground or boutique breeders....There are a few "above" the surface boy's I like too.....
3: There are (like I said) two opinions on passing bisexuality down from the use of any method of "reversing" a Female to produce "FEM TRAIT" seeds! No matter what method you use. (I do not use CS or any form of AgNO3 - better results with my choice. If you want that, you have to buy it somewhere else) You will not get a bisexual (herming) increase by using reversal sprays!
A: I say trait because you do NOT produce 100% female seeds by any reversal!
B: It's is the quality of breeding stock and the breeding practice that pass's down ANY bisexual trait! (Cannabis leans bisexual NATURALLY)

Now then...Let me take the time to post this from another source. He says it just fine and I don't have to type my ass off. Thanks to Matt.

If you use a plant that is from a phenotypically unstable line, you will end up with males in the line. And there are SO FEW TRUE IBL Lines (meaning 100% uniformity between phenotypes from each seed) so you should expect to see a small population of males depending on this variable. Educate yourself and your customers on the science behind reversals. Reversing plants does NOT cause more hermaphroditism or a potency drop. In fact, it's a great way to bring vigor back to a clone only line that is tired from being passed from cut to cut. The solution actually causes the gibberelin hormone to be produced in the plant (many factors cause the plant to naturally produce gibberelin, one of which is stress, however that does not mean that having the plant produce this hormone is causing it stress - one doesnt necessitate the other to be true). Gibberelins are naturally produced by the plants in nature when the plant senses a male is needed in the population to continue its line (we all know plants are living beings, however many don't understand the true nature of their intelligence and ability to assess their surroundings.) The introduction of the "XXXX" SEX REVERSAL SPRAY also causes ethylene production to halt which causes pistillate formation and female characteristics. Reversing the Sex of the plants is TEMPORARY AND DOES NOT ALTER THE DNA OF THE PLANT. If anyone tells you that, they do not understand cannabis, science, or really haven't done any experiments first hand. They're bullshitting about a method they are too simple to understand or to perform. As you will see this is not a quick and easy solution. It takes timing and practice to accomplish a successful reversal and pollination. We've made the reversal part as easy as it can be - in fact, it's downright idiot proof if you follow the instructions. Again, educate yourselves, your customers and the nay-sayers when it comes to reversals. Stop using the word feminized, because it's innaccurate and smash people with facts and science in the face of ignorance.

There you go......Now then. I want to ask you to tell me just HOW CS changes the DNA? It does NOT! Nor does this method or any for that matter! They produce conditions where hormones are released at differing rates to cause the plant to "protect" it's line and reproduce....AGAIN - CANNABIS LEANS BISEXUAL NATURALLY as a way to preserve it's self.

There you are folks. This is my side of the argument!
 
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BigEasy1

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In twice the time an auto would put it out. I was having a discussion with a guy a while back. Soiless grow, 100 days for the auto to hit 150 grams. For me to get photos that give me 150 grams id have to veg for three months at least, then flower for twoish. So lets say about 160 days. So mathematically speaking i could get eight plants under one light of the autos and only six of the photos. So over 2 lbs per light autos - 1.5 photos. Photos use 70% more days, so the light difference between the two is cancled obviously, since photos veg for three months at the same light schedule as the autos. from a math point of view theyre worth the money......if you can get good seed.

Im not an auto lover yet, just a liker. I just think this thread is b.s. Odank was runnin his mouth again and then claiming to be some big seed breeder now....with untested genetics, on his first run of a new place, never even flowered a bud in the new house. Yet hes talking shit about autos which hes probably never tried any good ones, and doesnt realize what percentage of the market autos are taking up lately.
I'm talking about auto's too.
 

Cannacat

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I'm not arguing here - I'm passing on truths

1: I did! So all the misinformed can find some comfort and not stress so much!
2: I work for ME! I run several business. 43+ years of this. Started N. Of Frisco on a commune - never looked back. In my opinion the best modern breeders are a good deal of the underground or boutique breeders....There are a few "above" the surface boy's I like too.....
3: There are (like I said) two opinions on passing bisexuality down from the use of any method of "reversing" a Female to produce "FEM TRAIT" seeds! No matter what method you use (I do not use CS or any form of AgNO3 - better results with my choice. If you want that, you have to buy it somewhere else)
A: I say trait because you do NOT produce 100% female seeds by any reversal!
B: It's is the quality of breeding stock and the breeding practice that pass's down ANY bisexual trait! (Cannabis leans bisexual NATURALLY)

Now then...Let me take the time to post this from another source. He says it just fine and I don't have to type my ass off. Thanks to Matt.

If you use a plant that is a from a phenotypically unstable line, you will end up with males in the line. And there are SO FEW TRUE IBL Lines (meaning 100% uniformity between phenotypes from each seed) so you should expect to see a small population of males depending on this variable. Educate yourself and your customers on the science behind reversals. Reversing plants does NOT cause more hermaphroditism or a potency drop. In fact, it's a great way to bring vigor back to a clone only line that is tired from being passed from cut to cut. The solution actually causes the gibberelin hormone to be produced in the plant (many factors cause the plant to naturally produce gibberelin, one of which is stress, however that does not mean that having the plant produce this hormone is causing it stress - one doesnt necessitate the other to be true). Gibberelins are naturally produced by the plants in nature when the plant senses a male is needed in the population to continue its line (we all know plants are living beings, however many don't understand the true nature of their intelligence and ability to assess their surroundings.) The introduction of the "XXXX" SEX REVERSAL SPRAY also causes ethylene production to halt which causes pistillate formation and female characteristics. Reversing the Sex of the plants is TEMPORARY AND DOES NOT ALTER THE DNA OF THE PLANT. If anyone tells you that, they do not understand cannabis, science, or really haven't done any experiments first hand. They're bullshitting about a method they are too simple to understand or to perform. As you will see this is not a quick and easy solution. It takes timing and practice to accomplish a successful reversal and pollination. We've made the reversal part as easy as it can be - in fact, it's downright idiot proof if you follow the instructions. Again, educate yourselves, your customers and the nay-sayers when it comes to reversals. Stop using the word feminized, because it's innaccurate and smash people with facts and science in the face of ignorance.

There you go......Now then. I want to ask you to tell me just HOW CS changes the DNA? It does NOT! Nor does this method or any for that matter! They produce conditions where hormones are released at differing rates to cause the plant to "protect" it's line and reproduce....AGAIN - CANNABIS LEANS BISEXUAL NATURALLY as a way to preserve it's self.

There you are folks. This is my side of the argument!
I'm not sure I entirely understood all that, I'm going to have to break it down and read it again, but thank you for sharing the information :peace:
 
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