Jail Gets a Bad Rap

Finshaggy

Finshaggy

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Corso312 said:
Stfu clown, if we are ever cellies or even on the same block ..you will be washing my undies n cleaning my cell, I promise u that... When its hot u will be top bunk and when its cold u will be bottom bitch..stop acting like you are some Harvard grad jailhouse lawyer...you are just another Texan clown.
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Lol.

In the same thought you say "If we are ever cellies" and "just another Texan clown". When are you planning on being in a Texas jail? And I wouldn't be doing shit for you, you just wouldn't get any legal help for being an ass.
 
Finshaggy

Finshaggy

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6ohMax said:
Keep rustling jimmies fin

Keep up the good work
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The reason I am willing and even wanted to go to jail is because of Gandhi. He was a lawyer before he became the Gandhi we know. And when he went to jail he would teach others how to use the system, and then when he was on the outside he would teach people to break the law to get it changed (Civil Disobedience). And it all started after he was thrown off a train for not moving to the back (because he was not white) and then was attacked by Police for getting people to rip up/burn their Government Issued Hindu Identification cards.

But you really can't use the courtroom much unless you go to jail. Gandhi was in South Africa and India, but in America you can possibly use it even better than he had the possibility of doing in British Imperial Courts.

But India eventually won its Independence after the Salt March, which Gandhi organized, and the reasoning for it was that the British Government was arresting anyone who made salt (at the Sea), so he had hundreds of thousands of people go and make salt, and the whole system shut down because they just started arresting everyone, then they had pretty much the entire population of multiple towns in jail and it was unsustainable.

If just 25% of people would take their cases to Federal Court, the whole thing could fall apart. It would make it where people inside the jails were having to wait so long for court dates, that they wouldn't be able to arrest any new people and would have to just start letting people go.
 
Finshaggy

Finshaggy

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Forgot to mention about Gandhi, he really really got started doing everything after he was arrested and read this while he was in jail
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/walden/Essays/civil.html

And he also got charged with Murder for inciting a Hindu/Muslim riot in which some Muslims started burning people, and Gandhi was charged. He was put in Prison, then was given compassionate release. But I think his release was less about compassion and more about "We need to get this guy out of our jail so we don't have to deal with all the people's cases he is helping".
 
Finshaggy

Finshaggy

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If anyone else ever wants to study the law and fight a case you have, or then you end up in jail. In America they can't stop inmates from helping each other with their cases, because we all have a right to an attorney and a fair trial, and the fair trial has been interpreted by the Supreme Court to include access to a Law Library, and some people can't read, so they have to have the right to get help from other inmates. (Bounds V Smith)

And, in jail they have Law Libraries. If anyone goes to jail, make sure you ask to go to the Law Library, and use it.
 
Finshaggy

Finshaggy

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Where I was, they didn't want to let anyone in the Law Library, and they would tell everyone that if they had been given a Public Defender they had already had their 6th Amendment Rights fulfilled. So what I would do whenever someone wanted their lawyer to come sooner is send in a request on their account to go to the law library, and the next day their lawyer would show up every time.

And in Texas, at least where I was, when you get arraigned they give you a piece of paper with your lawyers name on it and everything, and right on the piece of paper it says:
TEXAS FAIR DEFENSE ACT
[Paraphrased] Your lawyer should, by law, make every effort to visit you within 24 hours, if your lawyer has not come within 24 hours contact the Idigent Defense Office.

And no one read that. I had to show so many people that it was on the top of the paper. Then when someone hadn't had a lawyer for like 1-2 months of being there, I would just quote the law, then add the 6th Amendment, and any other relative case law. And the lawyer would always come that day, and one guy's lawyer got him out instead of coming to visit, and another guys lawyer bailed him out of jail (he was put in jail for missing a child support payment, but was never assigned a lawyer for that original case, so he was actually illegally in jail)
 
Finshaggy

Finshaggy

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And even just that is an example of how much Public Defenders don't do their jobs. Not only did people need cases built for them, because their lawyers weren't doing it, they needed help getting the lawyer to even show up.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Finshaggy said:
The reason I am willing and even wanted to go to jail is because of Gandhi. He was a lawyer before he became the Gandhi we know. And when he went to jail he would teach others how to use the system, and then when he was on the outside he would teach people to break the law to get it changed (Civil Disobedience). And it all started after he was thrown off a train for not moving to the back (because he was not white) and then was attacked by Police for getting people to rip up/burn their Government Issued Hindu Identification cards.

But you really can't use the courtroom much unless you go to jail. Gandhi was in South Africa and India, but in America you can possibly use it even better than he had the possibility of doing in British Imperial Courts.

But India eventually won its Independence after the Salt March, which Gandhi organized, and the reasoning for it was that the British Government was arresting anyone who made salt (at the Sea), so he had hundreds of thousands of people go and make salt, and the whole system shut down because they just started arresting everyone, then they had pretty much the entire population of multiple towns in jail and it was unsustainable.

If just 25% of people would take their cases to Federal Court, the whole thing could fall apart. It would make it where people inside the jails were having to wait so long for court dates, that they wouldn't be able to arrest any new people and would have to just start letting people go.
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I would describe this as blithe and feckless revisionism, and I would only be half right. Face it, it is thoroughly fecked.
 
doublejj

doublejj

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I helped this inmate receive good time work credits & an early release from Folsom Prison. He was out of prison about 2 weeks before commiting this murder. The girl was 18........
If only I hadn't gone to his parole hearing...:-(


Janitor Guilty Of Murder, Rape at School
Chronicle Staff Report

Published 4:00 am, Thursday, August 31, 2000

Thomas, a former Los Angeles gang member, served a total of nearly 12 years in prison for a 1982 robbery conviction and a 1986 manslaughter and robbery conviction.

The killing inspired school districts around the country to change policies regarding the investigation of prospective employees' backgrounds.

In a surprise move at the beginning of the trial, defense attorney Bradley Holmes admitted Thomas killed the student but said the two had consensual sex.

Montoya, who would have graduated from high school a month after her murder, had stayed after school to complete a term paper on the Friday she was killed, prosecutors said.

Thomas overheard her calling her stepfather for a ride home moments before attacking her, prosecutors said.





 
abe supercro

abe supercro

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doublejj said:
If only...
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that's very sad. and she was so close to getting home that day. :neutral:

however, like the chronicle states, school districts from around the country are more careful about investigating backgrounds of potential school employees now. that was 16 years ago, so in some backwards way, the case has led to saving lives and will continue to. still is an unfortunate story jj, but I wouldn't blame myself bud
 
6ohMax

6ohMax

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doublejj said:
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Automatics rule when it comes to racing

Not to familiar with the tesla...that thing has tons of torque and the magnetic electrical motor or some shit just gives it instant power from the get go ...correct me if I'm wrong
 
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