Just in case you thought Israel was a nice country, just misunderstood

[ChesusRice]

Don't the Jews over there just roll over houses in the Gaza strip with bulldozers daily? Like straight up houses people live in, with no warning just come threw and bulldoze it down? They don't to slowly take more land or so.ething like that? If that's true that's not cool of the Jews... Bad Jew WWJD? Oh yea don't Jews hate Jesus? Jesus was a Jew though.... I don't understand Jews..

They warn them a couple hours in advance.
Aren't they wonderful?
While your at it. Look up roof knocking

 

[Flaming Pie]

As long as you guys keep avoiding the discussion of religion, you will never understand why the Arabs hate the Jews and the Muslims hate the Jews and by extension christians.

It is very relevant. To tell people to love one another and treat each other fairly simply does not work when one side wants the other destroyed for merely existing.

 

[UncleBuck]

Don't the Jews over there just roll over houses in the Gaza strip with bulldozers daily? Like straight up houses people live in, with no warning just come threw and bulldoze it down? They don't to slowly take more land or so.ething like that? If that's true that's not cool of the Jews... Bad Jew WWJD? Oh yea don't Jews hate Jesus? Jesus was a Jew though.... I don't understand Jews..

there's a lot you don't understand.

 

[ChesusRice]

there's a lot you don't understand.

I understand Israel has no intention of making peace until they secure all the habital land the Palestinians occupy

 

[MjAeJdIiK]

there's a lot you don't understand.

Yea like why your mom didn't get an abortion.. Shit she probably qualified for state assistance for a free one! Right up you're ally conflict, I mean buck

 

[Fogdog]

As long as you guys keep avoiding the discussion of religion, you will never understand why the Arabs hate the Jews and the Muslims hate the Jews and by extension christians.

It is very relevant. To tell people to love one another and treat each other fairly simply does not work when one side wants the other destroyed for merely existing.

I don't know about that. Any group that invaded and displaced the people of Palestine would be treated as foreign occupiers. Religion would have nothing to do with it. Its really all about power, who has it, who wants it and what people are willing to do about it that drives the situation. Religion is just window dressing used by Israel and it's enemies to justify their acts. If the occupiers of what is now called Israel were Muslims from Indonesia, then the rhetoric would be about the sect in power. Its all about power and politics.

 

[Flaming Pie]

I don't know about that. Any group that invaded and displaced the people of Palestine would be treated as foreign occupiers. Religion would have nothing to do with it. Its really all about power, who has it, who wants it and what people are willing to do about it that drives the situation. Religion is just window dressing used by Israel and it's enemies to justify their acts. If the occupiers of what is now called Israel were Muslims from Indonesia, then the rhetoric would be about the sect in power. Its all about power and politics.

Britain owned palestine. The UN voted to give parts of land to the Jewish people. The Arabs attacked the Jewish people after Britain pulled out. The state of Palestine was owned by the brits for a long time.

 

[bravedave]

Fair enough, why?

Personally, I'm sick of the apartheid state.

 

[Fogdog]

Britain owned palestine. The UN voted to give parts of land to the Jewish people. The Arabs attacked the Jewish people after Britain pulled out. The state of Palestine was owned by the brits for a long time.

That's just a recap of history with some religious bullshit included and not even very accurate. Palestine was a territory under British control for 20 years, with Arabs holding administrative control of the territory. It was also during this time that Zionists, not "the Jewish People", were given the nod by the British government to emmigrate to Palestine. This has little to do with religious principle. Its about a displaced people and the people who displaced them.

Do you disagree that the resistance would be the same if Indonesian Muslims backed by US miltary power displaced the Palestinians?

 

[ttystikk]

Don't the Jews over there just roll over houses in the Gaza strip with bulldozers daily? Like straight up houses people live in, with no warning just come threw and bulldoze it down? They don't to slowly take more land or so.ething like that? If that's true that's not cool of the Jews... Bad Jew WWJD? Oh yea don't Jews hate Jesus? Jesus was a Jew though.... I don't understand Jews..

Replace all the instances of 'Jews' in your paragraph with 'Israelis' and your statements become true.

The whole point of this thread is to drive home the DIFFERENCE between those of Jewish faith and what the Israeli government does, ostensibly in their name. Why?

First, because plenty of Jewish people fucking hate what Israel the nation does in their name, many of whom are Israeli nationals themselves.

Second, this means that Israel the country is abusing the religion of Judaism for its own abusive purposes, effectively placing it on the same moral ground as ISIL or any other sectarian terrorist group.

Third, this confusion is intentional; it's very purpose is to skew the perceptions and comments of others into just a few channels which they can effectively combat by calling the opinion or person antisemitic and thus discounting their credibility.

Do you see the difference?

 

[Flaming Pie]

That's just a recap of history with some religious bullshit included and not even very accurate. Palestine was a territory under British control for 20 years, with Arabs holding administrative control of the territory. It was also during this time that Zionists, not "the Jewish People", were given the nod by the British government to emmigrate to Palestine. This has little to do with religious principle. Its about a displaced people and the people who displaced them.

Do you disagree that the resistance would be the same if Indonesian Muslims backed by US miltary power displaced the Palestinians?

It is recap of history. History matters.

Religion matters because the Arab's attacked the Jewish people over religion.

 

[ChesusRice]

Replace all the instances of 'Jews' in your paragraph with 'Israelis' and your statements become true.

The whole point of this thread is to drive home the DIFFERENCE between those of Jewish faith and what the Israeli government does, ostensibly in their name. Why?

First, because plenty of Jewish people fucking hate what Israel the nation does in their name, many of whom are Israeli nationals themselves.

Second, this means that Israel the country is abusing the religion of Judaism for its own abusive purposes, effectively placing it on the same moral ground as ISIL or any other sectarian terrorist group.

Third, this confusion is intentional; it's very purpose is to skew the perceptions and comments of others into just a few channels which they can effectively combat by calling the opinion or person antisemitic and thus discounting their credibility.

Do you see the difference?

You nailed it

 

[MjAeJdIiK]

Replace all the instances of 'Jews' in your paragraph with 'Israelis' and your statements become true.

The whole point of this thread is to drive home the DIFFERENCE between those of Jewish faith and what the Israeli government does, ostensibly in their name. Why?

First, because plenty of Jewish people fucking hate what Israel the nation does in their name, many of whom are Israeli nationals themselves.

Second, this means that Israel the country is abusing the religion of Judaism for its own abusive purposes, effectively placing it on the same moral ground as ISIL or any other sectarian terrorist group.

Third, this confusion is intentional; it's very purpose is to skew the perceptions and comments of others into just a few channels which they can effectively combat by calling the opinion or person antisemitic and thus discounting their credibility.

Do you see the difference?

Yea I do. The Israeli government arnt really Jewish? They just do fuxked up shit in the name of the Jews , but really its for their own agenda and isn't for the Jewish people at all? I'm a kind of there? In saw a film years ago somewhere about Palestine kids in the Gaza strip and I was like no fucking wonder they hate you and want to kill you, these mofos are literally grabbing shit from their pads as a bulldozer is coming at you about to tear your house down... If in was them I'd be wilding the fuck out too....
Igot a redhead Egyptian friend straight from fuxking Egypt and he said he don't wanna talk about how it is over in that part of the world. And also haven't they been beefing like forever? Is there really anyway to end it? Doubt it. Sad shit

 

[ChesusRice]

Yea I do. The Israeli government arnt really Jewish? They just do fuxked up shit in the name of the Jews , but really its for their own agenda and isn't for the Jewish people at all? I'm a kind of there? In saw a film years ago somewhere about Palestine kids in the Gaza strip and I was like no fucking wonder they hate you and want to kill you, these mofos are literally grabbing shit from their pads as a bulldozer is coming at you about to tear your house down... If in was them I'd be wilding the fuck out too....
Igot a redhead Egyptian friend straight from fuxking Egypt and he said he don't wanna talk about how it is over in that part of the world. And also haven't they been beefing like forever? Is there really anyway to end it? Doubt it. Sad shit

One of the things the Israelis do with that aid money we send them is buy Catepillar D9 bulldozers that are up armored

 

[MjAeJdIiK]

One of the things the Israelis do with that aid money we send them is buy Catepillar D10 bulldozers that are up armored

To bulldoze peoples houses with? That's fuct up.

 

[Fogdog]

It is recap of history. History matters.

Religion matters because the Arab's attacked the Jewish people over religion.

Then be accurate.

Britain controlled Palestine for 28 years. Hardly a long time considering how long the Ottomans controlled the area. Also, it was Zionists that attacked Palestinian people just as much as Palestinians attacked Zionists after the 1948 pull-out of British and UN troops. Note, it was Zionists, not "The Jewish People". Zionists believe in a militant god-given right to occupy Palestine and don't represent all those of the Jewish faith. Just like Palestinians don't represent all of Islam or even Arabs for that matter.

None of this has to do with religion. Its about power and territory.

 

[MjAeJdIiK]

Doesn't this shit go WAY back to the bible days though? I get what you guys are saying about the power bullshit and why they are fighting right now....butbhavent they been fighting pretty much since man has been recording history? The Arabs are gonna beef with the Jews Zionists or whoever so long as they are in Israel, no?

 

[Fogdog]

Yea I do. The Israeli government arnt really Jewish? They just do fuxked up shit in the name of the Jews , but really its for their own agenda and isn't for the Jewish people at all? I'm a kind of there? In saw a film years ago somewhere about Palestine kids in the Gaza strip and I was like no fucking wonder they hate you and want to kill you, these mofos are literally grabbing shit from their pads as a bulldozer is coming at you about to tear your house down... If in was them I'd be wilding the fuck out too....
Igot a redhead Egyptian friend straight from fuxking Egypt and he said he don't wanna talk about how it is over in that part of the world. And also haven't they been beefing like forever? Is there really anyway to end it? Doubt it. Sad shit

To say the Israeli government represents all Jewish People would be like saying the Saudis represent all of Islam.

I don't know how all of this ends but I'd like to see the US take a neutral stance towards Israel and cut all military aid. As long as the US looms behind Israel, they won't even consider making peace. It's kind of like the jerk-kid acting the bully with his big brother in the background just in case the little shit starts getting back what he was giving.

I also don't want to see any more US hardware used to smash Palestinian homes, so maybe cut off sales of US hardware too. Let them use Russian or Chinese shit.

 

[MjAeJdIiK]

Then be accurate.

Britain controlled Palestine for 28 years. Hardly a long time considering how long the Ottomans controlled the area. Also, it was Zionists that attacked Palestinian people just as much as Palestinians attacked Zionists after the 1948 pull-out of British and UN troops. Note, it was Zionists, not "The Jewish People". Zionists believe in a militant god-given right to occupy Palestine and don't represent all those of the Jewish faith. Just like Palestinians don't represent all of Islam or even Arabs for that matter.

None of this has to do with religion. Its about power and territory.

Yea tour right, power and territory and they use religion as a means to justify their actions.... That's been happining forever over there.
I see now why I bump heads a little over here with a few of you guys, you seem to be hooked up on politically correct terms a lot of the time, and I'm just a dude and to me people are people. My bad

 

[Fogdog]

Doesn't this shit go WAY back to the bible days though? I get what you guys are saying about the power bullshit and why they are fighting right now....butbhavent they been fighting pretty much since man has been recording history? The Arabs are gonna beef with the Jews Zionists or whoever so long as they are in Israel, no?

The Jews were driven out of Palestine like 1000 years ago. How can anybody use the bible to justify Israel? People who's family owned an olive orchard for 600 years lose out because, Bible?

I honestly have no idea what ends this mess. I just want the US to get the hell out.