Should food be a right?

[AlphaPhase]

like i said, you are the welfare expert.

Ill leave you with this, since you're still not grasping the difference of welfare (single 22 year old with 9 kids from 9 different dad's) and social security (normal working class citizens). This is as easy as it gets to define which is which the left is what you don't like (working people) and the right side is what you do like (moochers)

 

[UncleBuck]

Ill leave you with this, since you're still not grasping the difference of welfare (single 22 year old with 9 kids from 9 different dad's) and social security (normal working class citizens).

you beckoning reagan's mythical welfare queen?

i bet you are gonna tell me how totallynot racist you are.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Republicans are the ones that want to cut social security..

 

[NLXSK1]

Republicans are the ones that want to cut social security..

Democrats just want to keep looting it...

 

[AlphaPhase]

you beckoning reagan's mythical welfare queen?

i bet you are gonna tell me how totallynot racist you are.

Well, when you've seen over 50 different people trade their food stamps (your $) for drugs or booze while thier young kids run around while their parents are getting trashed with no food in the fridge, I guess you could say that yeah, there are quite a few welfare Queens out there. Not all of welfare recipients are, but I'd say at least 10%+ is a rough estimate. It's hard to look the other way when it's right there. Google welfare fraud in your area, you'd be surprised.

In response to your second sentence, it's funny, I didn't mention race. But, I figured a similar response because that's what it always comes down to. If someone has a few conservative values, that automatically equates to racism and bigotry totally understand, it's hard to refrain from pulling that card.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Democrats just want to keep looting it...

"Q [to CLINTON]: Senator Sanders would expand Social Security. What's wrong with that?

CLINTON: I fully support Social Security, and will defend it against continuing Republican efforts to privatize it.

Q: Do you want to expand it?

CLINTON: I want to enhance the benefits for the poorest recipients of Social Security.

SANDERS: When the Republicans in the Congress and some Democrats were talking about cutting Social Security and benefits for disabled veterans, for the so-called chained CPI, I q founded a caucus called the Defending Social Security Caucus. When you have millions of seniors in this country trying to get by--and I don't know how they do on $13,000 a year--you don't cut Social Security, you expand it. And the way you expand it is by lifting the cap on taxable incomes so that you do away with the absurdity of a millionaire paying the same amount into the system as somebody making $118,000. You do that, Social Security is solvent until 2061 and you can expand benefits."

 

[AlphaPhase]

Democrats just want to keep looting it...

Though that dumb ass George Bush also took 1 billion $ from it that completely disappeared as well. Dems and repubs work for the same team, just a two headed snake. Honestly, I like Bernie for his different ideas, at least he's not the same as the rest, but I just don't agree with some of his policies.

It's funny, when bill Clinton had the same immigration policies and procedures for illegals, deporting millions of people and raiding homes with swat teams, the leftists loved it. If Trump was on the left side where he should be, I think things would be quite different. What a fucking shit show we have now. It's sad, especially when Trump now is leading on the latest general election polls.. Really makes you think wtf is going on, it's time to reset politics

 

[Padawanbater2]

Well, when you've seen over 50 different people trade their food stamps (your $) for drugs or booze while thier young kids run around while their parents are getting trashed with no food in the fridge, I guess you could say that yeah, there are quite a few welfare Queens out there. Not all of welfare recipients are, but I'd say at least 10%+ is a rough estimate. It's hard to look the other way when it's right there. Google welfare fraud in your area, you'd be surprised.

In response to your second sentence, it's funny, I didn't mention race. But, I figured a similar response because that's what it always comes down to. If someone has a few conservative values, that automatically equates to racism and bigotry totally understand, it's hard to refrain from pulling that card.

 

[AlphaPhase]

Those numbers are off quite a bit, but I know what you're getting at. I've never said I was against aid to people that need it. I am against aid to people who abuse it. I'm for Medicaid and food stamps and other means to help the poor.

This is what I'm against.

 

[AlphaPhase]

I was being facetious in my comment to uncle buck because he is for welfare unless he doesn't like the person.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Those numbers are off quite a bit, but I know what you're getting at. I've never said I was against aid to people that need it. I am against aid to people who abuse it. I'm for Medicaid and food stamps and other means to help the poor.

This is what I'm against.
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Everybody is against that, but it's part of the cost of providing social safety programs. You don't solve the problem by cutting the benefits of the people who are using it correctly, the overwhelming majority who don't commit fraud, 3/4 of which are kids because a fraction of users do commit fraud. It would only harm the people that actually need it.

 

[AlphaPhase]

Everybody is against that, but it's part of the cost of providing social safety programs. You don't solve the problem by cutting the benefits of the people who are using it correctly, the overwhelming majority who don't commit fraud, 3/4 of which are kids because a fraction of users do commit fraud. It would only harm the people that actually need it.

Agreed. What I do think would help is better screening of benefit recipients. Not necessarily drug tests etc which has been brought up before, but something a little more thorough to limit the abuse. There's quite a bit of money that could be used for homeless people, vets or anyone else, that the fraudulent people are using.. How to fix the problem, or lessen the problem, I don't have the answer, but I'm sure human rights will be brought up as soon as an idea is brought to the table, so it will be scraped.. No matter how good of an idea it is.. Ugh

 

[AlphaPhase]

Also, I would have to vote no on the question of this thread.. If food becomes a right, why stop there.. Gas, utilities, candy, furniture, cable.. Catch my drift? That's great for anyone that wants to live in Venezuela, but that's not America. You have the right to pursue happiness, not a guarantee. Socialists should move to a socialist country if thats what they want, not change a country to fit their beliefs. Healthcare would be great IF it's possible.. I'm not sure if it's possible here.

 

[AlphaPhase]

This is what happens when food becomes a right.

 

[NLXSK1]

"Q [to CLINTON]: Senator Sanders would expand Social Security. What's wrong with that?

CLINTON: I fully support Social Security, and will defend it against continuing Republican efforts to privatize it.

Q: Do you want to expand it?

CLINTON: I want to enhance the benefits for the poorest recipients of Social Security.

SANDERS: When the Republicans in the Congress and some Democrats were talking about cutting Social Security and benefits for disabled veterans, for the so-called chained CPI, I q founded a caucus called the Defending Social Security Caucus. When you have millions of seniors in this country trying to get by--and I don't know how they do on $13,000 a year--you don't cut Social Security, you expand it. And the way you expand it is by lifting the cap on taxable incomes so that you do away with the absurdity of a millionaire paying the same amount into the system as somebody making $118,000. You do that, Social Security is solvent until 2061 and you can expand benefits."

All of the Republican proposals were to grandfather in current seniors and only make changes 5 - 10 years out. Because people are living longer our current system is not sustainable. Even without congress looting it every year. It is filled with IOU's. The money put in was spent even though the government promised it would never do that.

Hillary Clinton wants to make it more of a re-distribution entitlement plan. That was never what it was intended to do.

 

[NLXSK1]

Though that dumb ass George Bush also took 1 billion $ from it that completely disappeared as well. Dems and repubs work for the same team, just a two headed snake. Honestly, I like Bernie for his different ideas, at least he's not the same as the rest, but I just don't agree with some of his policies.

It's funny, when bill Clinton had the same immigration policies and procedures for illegals, deporting millions of people and raiding homes with swat teams, the leftists loved it. If Trump was on the left side where he should be, I think things would be quite different. What a fucking shit show we have now. It's sad, especially when Trump now is leading on the latest general election polls.. Really makes you think wtf is going on, it's time to reset politics

You are correct about the snake, we agree on that.

Bernie has never had a real job in his life. He was essentially unemployed till 40. What strikes a chord is that he keeps trumpeting how life is unfair and how spending 18 trillion dollars will make it more fair for you. The spending is not possible, the taxation rates are insane and the economy would crash. Our kids cannot afford more crushing debt.

 

[Fogdog]

Why is it that the right obsess about a relatively minor part of the federal budget and ignore the subsidies given to major corporations, which end up in the hands of people who have no idea of what "enough" means? Nor is the money really theirs anyway, it came from our taxes and was mis-spent due to corrupt practices and malfeasance by right wing lobbyists influencing congress.

Study after study shows that food assistance cuts even higher costs that are the result of malnutrition. The benefit of subsidizing food for those that need it is a no brainer but it does take a brain to gather the information. @NLXSK1 , the village idiot, will never be able to understand.

 

[Fogdog]

This is what happens when food becomes a right.

What's going down in Venezuela has nothing to do with food assistance. Or socialism. Its all about authoritarian mis-rule and sanctions placed on Venezuela because their dictator won't do Washington's bidding.

 

[AlphaPhase]

What's going down in Venezuela has nothing to do with food assistance. Or socialism. Its all about authoritarian mis-rule and sanctions placed on Venezuela because their dictator won't do Washington's bidding.

I understand that and agree. I'm also for helping the poor with food assistance, just not a total right for food for all. Low income yes, middle/upper class hell no! All social food and products have been terrible. I don't know if that makes sense, I just had my blood drawn lol, kinda dizzy

 

[AlphaPhase]

You are correct about the snake, we agree on that.

Bernie has never had a real job in his life. He was essentially unemployed till 40. What strikes a chord is that he keeps trumpeting how life is unfair and how spending 18 trillion dollars will make it more fair for you. The spending is not possible, the taxation rates are insane and the economy would crash. Our kids cannot afford more crushing debt.

I feel the same about the social Healthcare and college. I would love to be able to have it work, but I feel it's just pipe dreams and not possible with our current budget and debt.