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[hillbill]

Fans sometimes give even a decent team a bad name.

 

[Hybridway]

And that's where you fucked up. You have no background as to what his reasoning may be for speaking negative, and if you do it's one side of the coin. I'm no a51 fan boi now but they do make better lights than Mars or, dare I say, amare. I won't, because I've not seen a side by side, but, I do know what they use in 51s.

Be careful who you listen to hybrid

I do know only one side of the story. But if it is true, I don't care how good they are. Not saying it is but I personally am turned off by the possibility.

 

[Scotch089]

He and 51 hit heads, shortly after him kissing their ass and 51 giving him FREE lights. Because, jeff, with the knowledge he had- knew how little pet did, and knew how bad he was spewing bullshit everywhere. Again, gotta question your sources but always keep an open mind. It will help you. Sorry for the outburst

 

[REALSTYLES]

Who didn't use CXA 2530's. Oh yeah, no grow lights cuz They weren't built buy anyone else yet. They were best out at the time. Maybe you guys started with CXB's but that was way later then Amare came out.
Anyone who wants to devote there time to making anything can EVENTUALLY make something better then what's offered in a mass production. Not to be rude but duh!
And why do you keep bringing up Amare every time I speak about anything? Do you just jump to the Amare argument so you can say "I can build something better then the best light I can find?" That's great, & that means you are a talented guy. But, you're not producing & you're not making $ doing it. And if it don't make Dollars then it don't make Cents! Get me.
So, NO, you please stop it.
Any smart company would build diversely for people's budget especially when most of the LED guys I see here cry over spending an extra hundred or two that will Yeild them more every time! It's sooooo funny. Epi's made sense to fit some budgets. You see people compromise their grow all the time to save a few bucks. Look at DIY for example. Most will be seriously compromising their ROI for awhile till they get it down. Not all but enough to say it's s loss to the majority until they know how & have the time. DIY is only a few hundred less then prefab. But that's cool cuz DIY is a hobby & you can't put a price on a hobby you love.
Hey, quick question RealStyles? How do you run your super efficient set-up? Like outlets?
And have you given any thought to my valid question? I had to ask you instead of the other guy cuz it takes someone who actually grows pot to be able to answer? Thanks!
You guys are aware that a 315 CMH & a 400watt HPS Put out similiar par #'s right? Well which one do you think Yeilds substantially more then the other every time?
Ok, those answers should help you all reflect & be able to answer you're ever so important arguments. Thanks for listening & once again, I hope someone gains something from these unnecessary back & forths.
Have a good night folks!

Don't know where you are getting your prices from on the parts to build but it's double the cost too buy Amare than to build a better and more efficient light.

Few led grow light companies are willing to tell what driver they use , unless they use meanwell drivers ,or they won't tell you . Epistar model maybe for growers who have limited budget . Epistar of course not better than cree . Epistar's price is cheaper than cree , of course quality is also so-so

I've had Epistars and they fail and they really do suck. I wouldn't sell it because I like to sleep at night

 

[Hybridway]

Good fucking god, I'm bout to ditch this place. You think cxb was the beginning bub??? Track back 2-4 years into some of this shit and look around. Hyroot was one the first to bring amare into the light. This forum has been diying with the best components they've been able to grt their hands on since the day those components have been obtainable. Very thick if you can't see ppl may know what the fuck they're talking about and are not willing to listen.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-led-markets-divisions-of-quality-apollo-sgs-at200.832474/#post-10580825

Edit sorry I know that was uncalled for but God damn this shit ppl are spewing is so damn thick skulled and dense. Literally nothing we say or do will make it click for them. Someday they'll look back...

Wow you really just spun that Around to say I suggested CXB Was early. I said late. Can you read straight or do you do it on purpose? Reals laughed at using CXA's when they were the best available at the time. I know Wazup. You can twist it n turn it anyway you want. If you're telling me there was another COB grow light out using CREE / Vero / white, pls enlighten us oh knowledgable one??? Only COBS that might've come out then were Burples if they even did. They came out way before Optics came n went. I don't want to argue but you guys just won't stop. Continuously bringing up Amare like that's all you want to talk about, I think you're the fanboys.
Don't mean to be harsh but it's aggravating.

 

[Hybridway]

Few led grow light companies are willing to tell what driver they use , unless they use meanwell drivers ,or they won't tell you . Epistar model maybe for growers who have limited budget . Epistar of course not better than cree . Epistar's price is cheaper than cree , of course quality is also so-so

They use LS drivers everyone knows that

 

[Abiqua]

Amare was still building with CXA even when CXB was available; fact. They could have used a better diode than the 2530, it was not the best available even then.

I feel yah @Scotch089 .....I even love the datasheets are irrelevant comment. Who needs a baseline to compare a light right? It is straight spam at this point and always was. Which sucks, because Amare's probably grow great plants...

I hope to find one used one day, rip it apart and make it "better". It will grow unicorn rainbow's when I am down with it!

 

[Hybridway]

Amare was still building with CXA even when CXB was available; fact. They could have used a better diode than the 2530, it was not the best available even then.

I feel yah @Scotch089 .....I even love the datasheets are irrelevant comment. Who needs a baseline to compare a light right? It is straight spam at this point and always was. Which sucks, because Amare's probably grow great plants...

I hope to find one used one day, rip it apart and make it "better". It will grow unicorn rainbow's when I am down with it!

Data sheets are not irrelevant. When did I say that? I suggested data sheets are only being used as they are w/o taking the most important thing into account. ROI.... It very simple. Instead, try umols/joules/ROI = as my HH could be made to be super efficient somehow but if it gives me 1/2 off my plant then the same wattage ran even 1/2 that umol/joule efficiency then the light with the least efficiency just yeilded me double the pot which far outweighs the cost of electricity , your case meaning efficiency

Oh, quick point seeing how everyone is trying to bash me. How efficient are you guys really When most of you are running 110-120 as your source. Doubling you're amperage is ok though?
Talk to me once you've wired your grows correctly.

100amp service , everything on 220amp.
Using half the Amps as you guys even with my HPS.
And again. If you don't even grow please don't bother. As you know not what you speak but only what you read.
There's no critical thinkers around anymore.
No offense to all not haggling me. Peace!

Full PAS spectrum & 40% higher par = higher Yeild = ROI. And still running the COBs at 1/2 power on an LS or some MeanWell drivers. That's 50% efficiency to your data sheets, NO!???
So same efficiency & a higher Yeild. Not to mention quality. All photosynthetic receptors possible to artificial light are firing away = quality & Quantity.
Oh, you mean they were offering the CXA 350 while still selling the CXB 450? For a Deally too! Oh, how dare they. And it still smoked any regular COB light out now. You just speak nonsense & are a waste of a response c.

 

[sixstring2112]

Data sheets are not irrelevant. When did I say that? I suggested data sheets are only being used as they are w/o taking the most important thing into account. ROI.... It very simple. Instead, try umols/joules/ROI = as my HH could be made to be super efficient somehow but if it gives me 1/2 off my plant then the same wattage ran even 1/2 that umol/joule efficiency then the light with the least efficiency just yeilded me double the pot which far outweighs the cost of electricity , your case meaning efficiency

Oh, quick point seeing how everyone is trying to bash me. How efficient are you guys really When most of you are running 110-120 as your source. Doubling you're amperage is ok though?
Talk to me once you've wired your grows correctly.
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100amp service , everything on 220amp.
Using half the Amps as you guys even with my HPS.
And again. If you don't even grow please don't bother. As you know not what you speak but only what you read.
There's no critical thinkers around anymore.
No offense to all not haggling me. Peace!

Full PAS spectrum & 40% higher par = higher Yeild = ROI. And still running the COBs at 1/2 power on an LS or some MeanWell drivers. That's 50% efficiency to your data sheets, NO!???
So same efficiency & a higher Yeild. Not to mention quality. All photosynthetic receptors possible to artificial light are firing away = quality & Quantity.

Nice clean layout.i run all my shit on 240v also,even half my t5 fixtures use it.and those fixtures do run a bit cooler on the ballasts.

 

[Hybridway]

Nice clean layout.i run all my shit on 240v also,even half my t5 fixtures use it.and those fixtures do run a bit cooler on the ballasts.

Thanks! You know Wazup! Anything else is temp. And a waste. Especially how easy it is or should I say a necessity & well worth whatever money it cost you. It's the only right way to do it. You save money on your bill.

 

[Scotch089]

..Oh yeah, no grow lights cuz They weren't built buy anyone else yet. They were best out at the time.

Maybe you guys started with CXB's but that was way later then Amare came out.


Any smart company would build diversely for people's budget especially when..

1.) Optic vero? Genuinely don't know if this is right or not, amare could have very well been out before them, but again, the transparency of components goes a LONG way

2.) "Started with cxbs..." that's what I was talking about, no, really wrong. Some of the true pioneers still linger but most presumably got fed up with talk like this and left. Look up golden dragons. There used to be ppl that actually soldered together entire grow lights (o wow) that consisted of handfuls of individual quality leds. Talk about dedication to a hobby. Cobs were a revolution, yes, but not the beginning.

3.) Isn't that exactly what area 51 did.... isn't that what Johnson and Johnson is doing ( ), isn't that what plc is working on, hell.. even Aquarius offered options before he fell off

Again sorry for snapping but shit gets a little ridiculous and t sounds like we're all getting fed up, so let's move on WITH OPEN MINDS, goes for all of us, myself included.

And you're still not getting the efficiency thing... if you run a more efficient light with similar spectrum I would be ballsy enough to say you, the grower, would have to do sometging really fucked up to make it not yield you more. I'm currently taking classes for industrial elect, I am naive, but hopefully someday I won't be so much, and sure, I'll be on 240v and see the whapping difference in my <500w perp grow (entire setup) will save me even more money (eyeroll) you gotta understand efficiency isn't entirely about electricity, it can be about space and enviro for ppl. I simply can't cram a cmh in my space. And I think thats where this dispute arises, different needs. When you have floor space this may be chump change. But on the flip side... thay change can add up very quickly. I personally don't know.

 

[Hybridway]

@Hybridway
who was the "original COB light"?
there are plenty of folks on this site alone that have been messin with cobs for ever.....

Yeah, around the same time Amare came out some tried building & there was no other production light, never mind a 95 CRI full spectrum with 40% more light output?

 

[Hybridway]

1.) Optic vero? Genuinely don't know if this is right or not, amare could have very well been out before them, but again, the transparency of components goes a LONG way

2.) "Started with cxbs..." that's what I was talking about, no, really wrong. Some of the true pioneers still linger but most presumably got fed up with talk like this and left. Look up golden dragons. There used to be ppl that actually soldered together entire grow lights (o wow) that consisted of handfuls of individual quality leds. Talk about dedication to a hobby. Cobs were a revolution, yes, but not the beginning.

3.) Isn't that exactly what area 51 did.... isn't that what Johnson and Johnson is doing ( ), isn't that what plc is working on, hell.. even Aquarius offered options before he fell off

Again sorry for snapping but shit gets a little ridiculous and t sounds like we're all getting fed up, so let's move on WITH OPEN MINDS, goes for all of us, myself included.

I'm down to move on. Point remains. Amare came out way before all these lights, is still here and going strong coming out with new lights every 6 months it seems. And backing their Epistar lights with a 5 yr Warrenty if that's the route one chooses.
People should just be positive & not look for the negative in everything w/o just cause. especially when their making it up as they go. I for one will debate till I'm blue in the face if I know I'm right. Especially when it's so obvious.
Wouldn't care but must respond to fallacies.

 

[OneHitDone]

Speaking of @AquariusPanta what happened to old Aquarium Pants?

 

[Hybridway]

Speaking of @AquariusPanta what happened to old Aquarium Pants?

Heaven Bright? I saw I nice HPS vs. the original big ones he made. (V-series?) on GC. 1200 w of COB vs. 1200 watts HPS. Same harvest Yeild was the results. I keep seeing these results in side by sides. Dunno, maybe I'm wrong. The guy said the LED had the less heat advantage though.

 

[Hybridway]

Again, guys coming at me like they know shit but won't answer any of my questions??? They know it all until logic takes over. Then nothing. How aggravating. 2 cents n screw.

 

[Wisher2]

@Hybridway hey when did Amare come out with there COB panels? Do you know?? I cant find any info on it anywhere. Mostly single diode panels....I didnt see there COB's until about mid 2015....maybe I was behind the times....I do know people were messin with COB's as of late 2013.....
I also know people have been messin with UV bulbs since atleast the 80's.....back when Sam Skunkman and Rob Clarke were researching it.....they came to the conclusion that there was no significant impact from UV.....since then I know alot of people have been messin with it but no scientific data yet.....
In any case....what is the question you have been asking......
I can try to answer you.....

 

[Hybridway]

@Hybridway hey when did Amare come out with there COB panels? Do you know?? I cant find any info on it anywhere. Mostly single diode panels....I didnt see there COB's until about mid 2015....maybe I was behind the times....I do know people were messin with COB's as of late 2013.....
I also know people have been messin with UV bulbs since atleast the 80's.....back when Sam Skunkman and Rob Clarke were researching it.....they came to the conclusion that there was no significant impact from UV.....since then I know alot of people have been messin with it but no scientific data yet.....
In any case....what is the question you have been asking......
I can try to answer you.....

How do you measure efficiency in a total? I know how I do.
What Kind've outlet feed do these super-efficient light growers grow with?
Do they even grow pot but still haggle me like they know stuff about growing pot?
Nothing you really need to worry about as you weren't saying senseless foolery.
Ect....ect..... It's all there.
I've seen the effects of UV. It's there & it's substantial.
I was checking out Amare when everyone was still arguing over what ratios of Burple to grow with like it was life or death. They've been out for awhile as far as COBs go. - 2014 I think.
And they came out offering so much more then just a COB. COBs aren't anywhere as intense as monos or should I say diodes (white) anyways. Can't get the par #'s from 200 watts of epistar 3 or 5 watters out of a CREE top-bin COB. Especially with lenses. Their good cuz they're cheaper, a bit more efficient & easy to build. Adding the monos just smoked cobs by them selves. COBs are cool n all but to say monos don't help dramatically is off the wall talk.

 

[Wisher2]

How do you measure efficiency in a total? I know how I do.
What Kind've outlet feed do these super-efficient light growers grow with?
Do they even grow pot but still haggle me like they know stuff about growing pot?
Nothing you really need to worry about as you weren't saying senseless foolery.
Ect....ect..... It's all there.
I've seen the effects of UV. It's there & it's substantial.
I was checking out Amare when everyone was still arguing over what ratios of Burple to grow with like it was life or death. They've been out for awhile as far as COBs go. End of 13 - 2014 I think.
And they came out offering so much more then just a COB. COBs aren't anywhere as intense as monos anyways. Can't get the par #'s from 200 watts of epistar 3 or 5 watters out of a CREE top-bin COB. Especially with lenses. Their good cuz they're cheaper, a bit more efficient & easy to build. Adding the monos just smoked cobs by them selves. COBs are cool n all but to say monos don't help dramatically is off the wall talk.

yeah I understand what you are saying
as far as UV goes....we can see the effects but then ....do we?? no scientific data yet......
yeah I was wondering about the time that Amare came out with COB's as they didnt advertise until mid 2015....so they must've been underground with them before that....I do know they have the Epi's which were trying to compete with Apache and the likes......
until we get all these lights into the sphere and see how they all actualy compete....then everything all of us say is complete opinion....IMO
as for effeciency ....being a chef....I count all expenditure....literally everything from nutes to water to veg ....cost of supplies....everything....energy costs....cooling/heating......then project that over a 5 year span.....that will tell you how the LED's will add up to say HID or even how they stack towards each other....but first you have to dial in each light with what ever strains you run....until you max out your crops potential....then you can project effeciency and expenditure
as for outlet.....240 Vac always.....

 

[Scotch089]

Again, guys coming at me like they know shit but won't answer any of my questions??? They know it all until logic takes over. Then nothing. How aggravating. 2 cents n screw.View attachment 3689439

What'd you ask dude I'm willing to help.

Nvm just saw it, moment