Oregon Rec. Grow
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Humanrob
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Don't know much about that area... although I've heard great things about southern Oregon in general.
When I moved to Oregon in 2004 it was all about buying land... wow, strange to think about it. A lot happened since, but I never did buy any land. The map is not the terrain.
Humanrob
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Back on the outdoor track... I just up-potted the last of my clones into their final pots, so now its just water, keep the foliage clean and well shaped, and watch them grow. I did a LOT of spraying last year (organic pesticides and fungicides) on a couple of plants through veg, and not on others at all. The ones that got all the spray had all the problems. I don't know if its because they were from clones and the others were from seeds, or specific genetics were at play, or what. But... I'm still going to spray some this year, maybe some from seed and some from clones and see if it has any impact. Some people swear by it, say its necessary in Oregon, I'm not sure...
WV: Jetson
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All I know about K Falls is: there ain't no falls - no more, it's on the eastside and hence the collars and necks run red.
petert
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Actually in the summer the west end of the gorge is fine.., winter time that east wind is killer though... I'm 45 miles east of there and we get summer wind... But I've been growing for 15 years out here... Great results.. Great sun from Mid-May through mid October crept for the past few years when we get a september storm.
I have a 30 X 50 greenhouse that I fill and put plants outside on or after May 15.
Have quite a few OGS strains too
WV: Jetson
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Well, my confidence took a hit today... contrary to my earlier statements, I took cuts of the planted plants and the seedlings still in pots { 2: CBC}. I want to make sure I've gals in the ground & if I have gals in pots - make sure they get to good homes. When low and behold, what do I spy with my eye? Some little baby flowers, on the Swiss Strawberry
All the other plants are lookin' good (not that SS is looking bad)
Cindy's Blue Cheese
Donkey Kong 
and bag 
It was a nice sunny day in the neighborhood and the girls are definitely growing. I'll bet they've put on another 6" - 9". My plan with the Swiss miss is to give her a little more time (another week?) and pinch the buds off. See if I can flip her back to veg. All in good time, my Pretty!
All the other plants are lookin' good (not that SS is looking bad)
Cindy's Blue Cheese
Donkey Kong and bag It was a nice sunny day in the neighborhood and the girls are definitely growing. I'll bet they've put on another 6" - 9". My plan with the Swiss miss is to give her a little more time (another week?) and pinch the buds off. See if I can flip her back to veg. All in good time, my Pretty!
WV: Jetson
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No experience (with + or -) speaking here, but I'm not into any spraying. If Mom Nature wins - she wins. We need to work with her. Like we've been saying all along: a fair yield from a well tended crop - that's all we ask. from any of our crops. I feel the full compliment of birds, insects, nurtured soil, respect from the gardener - you can't go wrong, right? Being at the ferocious mouth of the Gorge is not the most ideal, but it sure as shit ain't even close to the worst. If a constant spray regime is the only way I could grow: I'm sorry, but I would stop.
Humanrob
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Last summer was my first outdoor, and I was following the advice of other Oregonians (like @calicocalyx , who I haven't seen around this season). I was using things like Neem Oil, Organocide (active ingredient; sesame oil), Nukem (active ingredient; citric acid), and other food grade organic or at least natural ingredient based products. I'm not putting a lot of poisons on the plants, just stuff that is supposed to make the plants less likely to get PM, and in some cases ward off bugs.
My indoor had a few spots of PM in veg way before flower, I sprayed it with GreenCure (potassium bicarbonate) and haven't seen PM since. I don't spray unless I think I need to, I never spray once flowers start, and I try to stick with organic or as close to organic as possible. I don't like the whole process, but within those parameters I'll use what works. I don't have enough information based on one (outdoor) grow to know what works. As I've mentioned before, I had two plants side by side and one got PM and one didn't. What I don't know is if I had not sprayed them, would they both of gotten it? Or did the spray do nothing at all and it was 100% genetics?
Amshif87
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In my outdoor first round I've got 2 black lime reserve, 2 blue city diesel, 1 pineapple kush, Devils cut, purple pineapple, redeye's rainbow kush, sour urkel, Lucy's lion, dr Funkenstein, and a skywalker that I got from a friend, I haven't flowered it yet but I think it's the Sativa OG cut. His one indoor had the middle leaf curl to the side.
Amshif87
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Yeah I've got the app. I've seen a few cuts of sour since I moved back but I'm dying to get my hands on AJs cut that friend ran back when I was in NJ. Silver falls is beautiful. I worked weddings up at the conference center and it was the best 15 minute drive in ever.
Amshif87
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I spray once a week with rosemary, aloe and protekt and once a week with neem. After losing a room to mites I try and be all over it. I don't spray anything outdoors yet but I've got a couple of home made organic IPM sprays ready in case i see any signs of mites or pm.I'm medical and have another patient who depends on meds so I've got to be all over the IPM routine. I'll drink both my sprays though. It does wonders indoors.
WV: Jetson
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First, I need to not type when I'm over my beer/bowl limit... Second is I try to avoid too much work (lazy) and am cheap. Third is I'm growing for myself and gifting. If I don't have a stellar crop: dang. Those of you who are growing medicine for patients, I have nothing but respect for. That responsibility is honorable, and frankly, not one I would want to take on. And I certainly understand that circumstances change, and I could very well be eating crow one day...
@Amshif87 nice line up.
@Amshif87 nice line up.
Organja
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I really like how this is an actual discussion. HR didn't get mad at WV, nobody is ready to go fist to cuffs because of a comment. It's all about learning and sharing.
I agree with a lot of what you both are saying. I think natural resistances and healthy plants are the first front in having successful crops. At the same time, products like bi-carb, neem, Nuke em- are all products I am familiar with.
We have to remember that we are growing a plant that is likely far removed from their landrace genetics. Distant cousins if you will. This brings up the topic of bringing back landrace strains...something that was bred and selected properly and not something created in a mad scientist growers closet or back yard.(not that this is all bad).
Naturalization to the local area through a strict selective breeding program, and quality (not far removed from) landrace strains are my focus these days.
Prevention is always better than treatment, but sometimes intervention is necessary. When we cross the line by using unnatural ingredients, who knows what we are creating in the long run.
Consider the natural habitat of these beautiful plants, consider the source of your genetics. This is why I roll with mandala seeds, which oddly doesn't have as much of a following as I would like to see, and it's kind of surprising.
Either way. I'm not quite awake yet. Just wanted to throw out respect to this adult conversation that's happening here. We are in this together, and through sharing and experiences we can learn and grow!
Peace y'all...
I agree with a lot of what you both are saying. I think natural resistances and healthy plants are the first front in having successful crops. At the same time, products like bi-carb, neem, Nuke em- are all products I am familiar with.
We have to remember that we are growing a plant that is likely far removed from their landrace genetics. Distant cousins if you will. This brings up the topic of bringing back landrace strains...something that was bred and selected properly and not something created in a mad scientist growers closet or back yard.(not that this is all bad).
Naturalization to the local area through a strict selective breeding program, and quality (not far removed from) landrace strains are my focus these days.
Prevention is always better than treatment, but sometimes intervention is necessary. When we cross the line by using unnatural ingredients, who knows what we are creating in the long run.
Consider the natural habitat of these beautiful plants, consider the source of your genetics. This is why I roll with mandala seeds, which oddly doesn't have as much of a following as I would like to see, and it's kind of surprising.
Either way. I'm not quite awake yet. Just wanted to throw out respect to this adult conversation that's happening here. We are in this together, and through sharing and experiences we can learn and grow!
Peace y'all...
Humanrob
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I hear you, and I definitely strive for simplicity too. I also get things like Praying Mantis (we had some last year that laid an egg, and now we have second gen hatching on the property!) lady bugs, and beneficial nematodes. We're doing our best to work with nature. There is a lot of time and money invested in these crops -- and inversely they save us an enormous amount of money -- so I will go a lot further to protect it than I will the tomatoes or beans in the yard.
Landrace strains are something I am interested in, but know very little about. I think I began to research it, and if I recall correctly Sativas come from hot dry places. My patient strongly prefers Sativas (or Sativa dominant hybrids), which (from what I've read) are a two edged sword: on the one hand they are (or can be?) more mold resistant and hardier, but on the other hand can take much longer to flower. The first part is great, the second is pretty much a deal breaker for my geographical location. So selectively crossed hybrids can bring out the best of both worlds if done thoughtfully and carefully.
This being the first summer where anyone can walk into a dispensary and buy clones, I've been keeping an eye on dispensaries locally -- and they are selling out of clones as fast as they can get them. I suspect there are a LOT of new growers out there putting them in their yards and gardens, and this fall there will be a massive learning curve about plants that do well in this climate, and those that don't. A more educated clientele will return next April/May and ask more questions when they pick up their clones. Demand might prompt more climate specific breeding.
I have tried to pick hybrids with strong well known parents, or at least the ones that have been around for a while. Sometimes that's great, sometimes it just doesn't work out. The industry is in its infancy, at this point there is no verification or certification (in terms of defending claimed lineage, etc.). That may change, probably not as a state-based requirement, but I would not be surprised if independent groups formed that can validate growers claims. I don't know how it will work, that's for better educated people than me to figure out, I just think its necessary and bound to happen.
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petert
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I've started selling quite a few clones.. So I ended up bringing in genetics from other growers that I didn't know well... Big mistake. I grow indoor, greenhouse and outdoor, those damn mites love the indoor environment... So nukem has been my friend! I also found a great DIY product I like to use to mix it up on those little bastards. I've never had any trouble with any bugs until I brought in cuttings from other people!
Here's my DIY spray.. It's awesome and smells great too!
I add aloe juice 2oz per gallon. Essential oils and neem 1/4 teaspoon per gallon. Emulsify the dr bronners first and use warm water. Dr bronners 1 tablespoon per gallon. Then add your oils, use only 4 of them at a time (always cinnamon, peppermint, and garlic) then rotate a 4th for variance and treatment efficacy. Use neem every time as well 1/4 teaspoon per gallon. Add the aloe last.
Here's my DIY spray.. It's awesome and smells great too!
I add aloe juice 2oz per gallon. Essential oils and neem 1/4 teaspoon per gallon. Emulsify the dr bronners first and use warm water. Dr bronners 1 tablespoon per gallon. Then add your oils, use only 4 of them at a time (always cinnamon, peppermint, and garlic) then rotate a 4th for variance and treatment efficacy. Use neem every time as well 1/4 teaspoon per gallon. Add the aloe last.
papapayne
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What land races you working with ? And agree on that. So nice to have a discussion. Good vibes is all I have time for in my life
papapayne
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The only thing I would disagree on. We now do have DNA testing on cannabis that maps lineage
philosophy bioscience galaxy, think that's what it's called. They are pretty far a long with mapping the DNA to determine orgin, lineage and genetic family trees.
Humanrob
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Excellent information, thanks.The only thing I would disagree on. We now do have DNA testing on cannabis that maps lineage
Did a quick search, it's called Phylos Galaxy -- that's a link -- is that what you were talking about?