Purple stem experiences....?

[cannabineer]

I dont believe this unfortunatly, purple anthocyanin is a unison of sugar/glucose and cyanidin which produces purple anthocyanin. It is more related to the over abundance of sugar caused by lack of transportation. We might cite nutrient values or environmental stresses as a cause.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanidin

These are not areas i like.

I do not think you can correlate cyanin fraction with the amount of sugar in the plant. Enzymes mediate the reaction, and the control on them isn't quantity of starting material (like sugars) but hormonal enzyme up-and downregulation.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Cyanins and their cyanidin aglycones (non-sugar portions) are variable in color. This chart is in German but should illustrate structure v. color.
Flavylium cation form = red, pH below 3
(benzo)quinoid form not hydrated, purple
Ionic form not hydrated, dark blue
(naphtho)quinoid form dianion - blue-green
hydrated chromenone - colorless
Chalcone (benzalacetophenone) form, yellow at pH >11

Which would support what I am saying: That cyanidin is not colorless. And if I'm right about that, I'm pretty sure I'm right about the rest.

 

[Kingrow1]

Which would support what I am saying: That cyanidin is not colorless. And if I'm right about that, I'm pretty sure I'm right about the rest.

Cyanidin is made from a colourless precurssor, theres a lot of chem involved in its colour.

 

[cannabineer]

Which would support what I am saying: That cyanidin is not colorless. And if I'm right about that, I'm pretty sure I'm right about the rest.

It's not so simple. Cyanidins and their cyanine glycosides span the rainbow and also have colorless-to-pale-yellow forms. Depending on pH and where the sugar portion attaches ... the color can be very different in the same compound(s).

 

[Olive Drab Green]

It's not so simple. Cyanidins and their cyanine glycosides span the rainbow and also have colorless-to-pale-yellow forms. Depending on pH and where the sugar portion attaches ... the color can be very different in the same compound(s).

But they aren't colorless, am I correct? And Cyanidin is a derivative within the class of anthocyanin, specifically the cyanidin attached to glucose being present in plants, am I right? Like I said, feel free to light me up if I'm wrong.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Cyanidin is made from a colourless precurssor, theres a lot of chem involved in its colour.

Cyanidin is a pigment. A fucking pigment. How the fuck can it be colorless? Maybe the "precursor" is colorless, but not cyanidin itself, which is what you've been saying all along.

 

[cannabineer]

But they aren't colorless, am I correct? And Cyanidin is a derivative within the class of anthocyanin, specifically the cyanidin attached to glucose being present in plants, am I right? Like I said, feel free to light me up if I'm wrong.

They are typically colored, but not reliably.
Anthocyanins are a subset of cyanins.

Cyanins are cyanidins with attached sugar portions. These are "mostly" glucose, and I don't know what other simple sugars might be involved.

 

[curious2garden]

@cannabineer @curious2garden @Singlemalt

Here's one of those people we were discussing earlier. If you don't mind, help me sort out with him the misconception in his belief, and if it is me who is under the wrong impression, light me up.

This is above my pay grade. But I am very flattered you think well of me. I think @Singlemalt will be the definitive source. Let's see what he says.

Dude no ones supressing cyanidins, anthocyanins on the other hand ...

Whats funny is you just summoned a load of mods as your flaming me, good luck with that and those anthocyanins, or is it cyanidins that are giving you that purole stem

Nah, we aren't mods and yes frustration can occur. But it seems to me the two of you are talking at cross purposes which can be very frustrating. Let's wait for SM to help. If he doesn't know then you both need to set up plants and start experimenting. LOL Welcome to science

 

[cannabineer]

@Singlemalt

 

[Singlemalt]

What?

 

[Singlemalt]

You guys are arguing minutia and lost track of the original query. Gro-Err was pretty spot on. So ask me specifically what you wish to know

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Are cyanidins a subset of anthocyanins? Are they colored? Would it be beneficial to find a way to eliminate them or should they be left alone?

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Wiki and phytochemicals.info are saying the complete opposite that he is. This is where my argument is coming from.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

 

[Singlemalt]

Cyanidins are a subset; I believe they are colored tho too often in the lit they are grouped with the sugar linkage; Unless the plant shows deficiencies and/or damage and or slow growth I wouldn't bother

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Cyanidins are a subset; I believe they are colored tho too often in the lit they are grouped with the sugar linkage; Unless the plant shows deficiencies and/or damage and or slow growth I wouldn't bother

Thank you very much. Apologies for the frustration.

 

[Singlemalt]

That's it?

 

[Singlemalt]

Someone owes me a happy ending to the hummer I was getting

 

[Olive Drab Green]

That's it?

Yes, I believe you just proved my point. He says that cyanidin is not responsible for the purple because "it's completely colorless" and that anthocyanin is composed of cyanidin and glucose, which does not seem to be the case.

 

[Chunky Stool]

Plush berry:


Sticky icky:


Both have purple stems & look fine to me. Is this a problem?