Michiganjesse
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Wow i had no idea. I know someone who buys here and re sells them for profit. I had no idea it could be a scam, not in the field I own a remodeling company.
LED's: BML SPYDR 1200, Illumitex Neosol DS, Lumigrow or???
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SoOLED
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were not growers? you know what funny about growers in LABS...they suck at growing dank. they make some pretty spectral print out. but they don't know anything about dank.
SoOLED
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Toohighmf
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What do you all think of this guy? Do you trust him? Do you think we just feed his ever growing cocaine habit?? The vid is great, and I think there's definitely some quality to his product, but do you feel like maybe the tests are doctored?? Coming from addiction, and being a fast talker myself, I'm on the fence. Seems like a cool dude who's definitely passionate about his product. Maybe I'm just reading in to my own insecurities... You tell me!
ttystikk
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Spectrum King is a regular kicking boy in the LED threads, which is where you should be asking questions like these.
SoOLED
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out of all the LED systems I been though since 07, (3) 400+ sk's have gotten me the closest to the 2x1100 HPS. and another 2 400+'s in a single 1100 room. total of six.
I'm still running 4 Sk's right now, and I'm testing some tasty leds in a 4x4 on some GG#4 and Bluedream. scrog. I'm only two week off the flip, so nothing worth pictures yet. but well see.
I think Sk is a good product, the problem is its price point, at $1200usdm its not worth it, if these units were say, $7-800 it would be a winner in my book.
SoOLED
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I was using SE's as my reference. I myself have never ran a DE fixture.
..that only puts the fat kid on the DE's side of the see-saw.
BobCajun
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The Illumitex have the advantage of each bar being adjustable, so you can direct them to spread the light evenly whatever size your space is. At least adjustable in one direction.
Pre-assembled single COBs are also good. You could angle them each however you wanted if you used some kind of pivot joint, like a ball and socket type thing, to connect them to the support bars. Those pin heat sinks actually work best when tilted, so they're made for it. A 4 COB cluster would actually be usable if it was made like that, instead of the flat ones now available.
Pre-assembled single COBs are also good. You could angle them each however you wanted if you used some kind of pivot joint, like a ball and socket type thing, to connect them to the support bars. Those pin heat sinks actually work best when tilted, so they're made for it. A 4 COB cluster would actually be usable if it was made like that, instead of the flat ones now available.
Toohighmf
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I'm not at all impressed with these greenhouse de fixtures by gavita and nanolux. they run way too hot, 3' minimum off the canopy is pretty stupid, and the fact they aren't air coolable totally sucks. needing 5-6k btu per bulb of cooling bites. at over .23c per KWH, using roughly 25kwh, and I'm pulling less than I usually do with air cooled 1000w with Hortilux super reds. If there was a way to air cool these DE's and get them 18-20" off the canopy without burning the tops, I'd be all over it. The power consumption kills me, and that's why I want to see what's available with LEDs that are comparable. my biggest problem so far is that I've only seen like 3 grows with people getting the same weight as those with 1000w lights, and most of these lights are almost 1000w!!! at $1500-3000, it's a bit much. If there is an efficient unit that can yield, and costs under $1200, (only 3x the price of these fucking DE's) I'd jump at em. If anyone can link me such video or thread about someone breaking the 2+ units per SINGLE LED fixture, I'd really appreciate it.
ttystikk
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First, who the fuck cares if one, two or five LED fixtures make your apocryphal pound? Set a price point, a watts drawn limit and let the configurations sort themselves out. If it takes three units to equal a thouie but added up they hit your targets, then frankly they're very probably going to do a better job than if you crammed all of them into one box.
Second, add me to the list of people pulling the same weight or better with LED vs HID lighting.
Third, that heat is inefficiency, concentrated into a very small space. Not only is it costing you yield on the table, it's costing as much power to be used cooling it as it's pulling from the wall. You wanna save power? Solve your heat problem!
Fourth, and I saved the best for last, new generation LED lighting does a lot more for your crops than just use a bit less juice; not only am I pulling more weight, but it's a better class of chronic to boot. Denser, stickier, more resin content, more pungent flavors and aromas and widely agreed to be more effective. If it didn't save a fucking dime in power consumption costs, these reasons would be enough to upgrade on their own.
Besides, the value of the crop is high enough that the real difference in electrical consumption costs adds up to mere grams per crop. Talk about an irrelevant detail relative to the rest of its benefits, lol
SoOLED
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I don't think you save that much power, to hit a 4x4 proper you need 12 cobs: in set ups like GG, or GM they don't have heat issues cause of how the rooms are set up and open. if you ran 12 cobs in a 4x4x6 tent, you have the same heat issues as running a single 1000-HPS if not more since you would have to DIY an air cool system. 12 cobs, 80w's @50% E that's still is 960w pull.
with my sk's there was zero heat problems, the HPS had a effective cooling system, right now its hard to control all the heat sources, other then pump A/C in which works twice as hard since the heat is dumped right in to the tent or small room.
today was one the first hot days: so I was able to test how much better the cobs would be, they are not I would run the A/C less w/ HPS air cooled hoods, there is a lot less heat in the tent. to correct with the A/C
or maybe its the T3-2100 design flaw, inadequate cooling, TBH I'm thinking or returning them. T2 does not have the same problem. its about 89 on the heat sink from the gun, the T3 are 101 on the heat sink. after 4 hours on. the CMH is 85 on the hood, but the reflector is 94, but its redirecting IR from the bulb so I think that's still a good temp.
what I'm learning quickly about cobs is cooling is paramount, even though its less watts if the thermals are not managed they are just as hot, makes it harder to correct since you have more then one fixture dumping heat in the grow area.. without A/C the plants would have been damaged.
I run 2x 8'' can-fan max-fans, then the 6'' in duct w/tripp lite 12000 A/C outside temps where low 90's I started correcting when temps hit celling 91f/ canopy90f/ pot 85f
had to run the A/C from 10pm-5am. growing in a 4x10 tent only using about 4x7.
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Toohighmf
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"Fourth, and I saved the best for last, new generation LED lighting does a lot more for your crops than just use a bit less juice; not only am I pulling more weight, but it's a better class of chronic to boot. Denser, stickier, more resin content, more pungent flavors and aromas and widely agreed to be more effective. If it didn't save a fucking dime in power consumption costs, these reasons would be enough to upgrade on their own.
Besides, the value of the crop is high enough that the real difference in electrical consumption costs adds up to mere grams per crop. Talk about an irrelevant detail relative to the rest of its benefits, lol"
I appreciate your insight. trust me. I want to save on power by lowering my power consumption at the light and the cooling costs. I want to grow the dankest meds I can, but I don't want to grow broke before I get off the ground either. Hence why I'm interested in LED's. I know it's the future, but I also know the prices will drop considerably soon enough. Right now theres too many options out there that don't work.
I'm not disputing any of this, and I'm all for all the above, but again, when I need a bunch of these.. 12+ I can't afford, and I can't justify spending that. The value was enough back when "elites" were selling for $6k+ a unit, but not now. Not unless you're getting #3 a light with $15-2500 lights.
Besides, the value of the crop is high enough that the real difference in electrical consumption costs adds up to mere grams per crop. Talk about an irrelevant detail relative to the rest of its benefits, lol"
I appreciate your insight. trust me. I want to save on power by lowering my power consumption at the light and the cooling costs. I want to grow the dankest meds I can, but I don't want to grow broke before I get off the ground either. Hence why I'm interested in LED's. I know it's the future, but I also know the prices will drop considerably soon enough. Right now theres too many options out there that don't work.
I'm not disputing any of this, and I'm all for all the above, but again, when I need a bunch of these.. 12+ I can't afford, and I can't justify spending that. The value was enough back when "elites" were selling for $6k+ a unit, but not now. Not unless you're getting #3 a light with $15-2500 lights.
ttystikk
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Yes, the plan is to pull 3# with $1500 worth of COB LED, at 900W. First, I do it once, then I cross the hurdles to make it an average.
Toohighmf
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I'm sorry, I'm confused. Are you saying you're getting 3 units off 900w, or were you being sarcastic? If yes to the latter, please link me to these lights.
Also, searching the forum for your LED grows. I can't find anything. Could you please send me links? I'm really interested to see what you got going on
ttystikk
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On the first point; still getting there. Just pulled two from the same rig last run and there was lots of room for improvement, putting it mildly lol
On the second; I'm building a better mousetrap, at great personal cost in time and treasure. You'll forgive me if I don't just throw it all out there gratis.
My thread link is in the signature line of every post I make here. There's plenty of breadcrumbs to follow there- but it's up to you to take a stroll into those woods, Hansel.